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Subject: OS2 - Is that it?
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Original Message 1/28 12-May-02 @ 06:59 PM - OS2 - Is that it?
Well,
Not wanting to sounds negative but...
Much as I appreciate Novation fixing the bugs - is that really all we get?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we (as promised a long time ago) supposed to be getting all the SN1's features? Doesn't that now include an option to output a part through a single output?
That seems to be at least one feature we're missing (unless I've missed it). Any more anyone's noticed?
I'm afraid I have to say that for a year and a half's supposed work, it's not very impressive guys!
Chris
Not wanting to sounds negative but...
Much as I appreciate Novation fixing the bugs - is that really all we get?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't we (as promised a long time ago) supposed to be getting all the SN1's features? Doesn't that now include an option to output a part through a single output?
That seems to be at least one feature we're missing (unless I've missed it). Any more anyone's noticed?
I'm afraid I have to say that for a year and a half's supposed work, it's not very impressive guys!
Chris
Message 2/28 12-May-02 @ 08:12 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
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Yes. Guess what - you've missed it.
Have you actually bothered to look properly at the 'read me' PDF file on the Novation site detailing the OS 2.0 NEW features ?
Who said that the new OS ONLY contained bug fixes ? Not me, nor anyone else from Novation as far as I'm aware.
Hint : What do you think the new 'Pan Effects' parameter actually does ?
Have you actually bothered to look properly at the 'read me' PDF file on the Novation site detailing the OS 2.0 NEW features ?
Who said that the new OS ONLY contained bug fixes ? Not me, nor anyone else from Novation as far as I'm aware.
Hint : What do you think the new 'Pan Effects' parameter actually does ?
Message 3/28 12-May-02 @ 08:16 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
I guess hell have to try and find something else to whinge about now.
No wonder Novation have decided to stop producing further os updates.
The flak probably aint worth it.
No wonder Novation have decided to stop producing further os updates.
The flak probably aint worth it.
Message 4/28 12-May-02 @ 09:21 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Fair cop - you do it by panning.
The PDF just talks about panning the effects - I didn't realise that the mono output mode was done via panning.
OK next one then - doesn't the SN1 have a mode where the knob values are followed absolutely. i.e. what you see is what you get?
Again, might be wrong but I can't find it.
Elektro - you have to realise that I've been complaining about the glide bug for nigh-on a year and a half. The excuse has always been that it's going in with new features in a new OS. A year and a half down the line, if any work was actually being done on the OS - I really thought we'd get a lot more than we've been given. We seem to have been given minimal new features.
That's the gripe - the amount of time they've had to do something really wizzy while making me put up with a really, really stupid bug that they could almost certainly have fixed in 5 minutes. Absolutely no excuses for it IMO.
Sorry if that's a whinge, but I feel justified.
I've stuck by Novation for several years and have had many pieces of kit from them through my hands, but feel I've been badly let down with the SN2.
That's before I even start on the obvious bad build and testing on my unit (mod wheel wired up-side down).
Don't get me wrong, I love the machine and use it heavily (along with my Nord Lead 3, Prophecy, MS2000, Z1, Virus, Triton Rack, Emu e5000 Ultra etc...)- but my experience of Novation support with the SN2 has been terrible.
Chris
The PDF just talks about panning the effects - I didn't realise that the mono output mode was done via panning.
OK next one then - doesn't the SN1 have a mode where the knob values are followed absolutely. i.e. what you see is what you get?
Again, might be wrong but I can't find it.
Elektro - you have to realise that I've been complaining about the glide bug for nigh-on a year and a half. The excuse has always been that it's going in with new features in a new OS. A year and a half down the line, if any work was actually being done on the OS - I really thought we'd get a lot more than we've been given. We seem to have been given minimal new features.
That's the gripe - the amount of time they've had to do something really wizzy while making me put up with a really, really stupid bug that they could almost certainly have fixed in 5 minutes. Absolutely no excuses for it IMO.
Sorry if that's a whinge, but I feel justified.
I've stuck by Novation for several years and have had many pieces of kit from them through my hands, but feel I've been badly let down with the SN2.
That's before I even start on the obvious bad build and testing on my unit (mod wheel wired up-side down).
Don't get me wrong, I love the machine and use it heavily (along with my Nord Lead 3, Prophecy, MS2000, Z1, Virus, Triton Rack, Emu e5000 Ultra etc...)- but my experience of Novation support with the SN2 has been terrible.
Chris
Message 5/28 12-May-02 @ 09:48 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Look, shithead... Why don't you at least have a look at what you get - FOR FREE - before you start bitching ?
Message 6/28 12-May-02 @ 10:06 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Read my last post.
My gripe is it's taken a year and a half to get a simple bug fixed - the excuse has basically been "we can't fix that bug yet because we're putting together a new OS with new features"!
That started a year and a half ago. I expected something more than the few extra features we've got given the fob-off I've been getting.
Sorry if my complaint upsets a few people, but I've been pissed off with that bug (and Novation have known about it) for a long time.
BTW - my machine(s) didn't come free, they cost a hell of a lot of money, and basically didn't work as sold - the glide feature didn't work properly 'til now.
Chris
My gripe is it's taken a year and a half to get a simple bug fixed - the excuse has basically been "we can't fix that bug yet because we're putting together a new OS with new features"!
That started a year and a half ago. I expected something more than the few extra features we've got given the fob-off I've been getting.
Sorry if my complaint upsets a few people, but I've been pissed off with that bug (and Novation have known about it) for a long time.
BTW - my machine(s) didn't come free, they cost a hell of a lot of money, and basically didn't work as sold - the glide feature didn't work properly 'til now.
Chris
Message 7/28 12-May-02 @ 10:30 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
BTW - to make sure it's not just me being bitter, just talked to my 2 next door neighbours (who would you believe both own SN2 keyboards - one a platinum!!!) and a couple of users in live acts I host at my club/partypromotions and they all seem to agree with me.
As one said (paraphrased) "what would you do if you bought a car which had a 5th gear that didn't work half the time?".
It's not been a show-stopper problem, just an annoyance. I've plenty of other kit which has been able to do the glide stuff with no problems, so it's not really affected production in my studio.
Chris
As one said (paraphrased) "what would you do if you bought a car which had a 5th gear that didn't work half the time?".
It's not been a show-stopper problem, just an annoyance. I've plenty of other kit which has been able to do the glide stuff with no problems, so it's not really affected production in my studio.
Chris
Message 8/28 13-May-02 @ 12:21 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
The SNII spec. on Novations site still claims:
"ADAT / SPDIF Digital I/O card can be
fitted to all models".
I sold my 2 Supernovas and got me a SNII Pro X as soon as it shipped for this feature only. Unless I'm totally off here, this option is still not implemented. Now if OS2 is the last planned update; does this mean I've spent my money and 2 years waiting in vain?
J.
"ADAT / SPDIF Digital I/O card can be
fitted to all models".
I sold my 2 Supernovas and got me a SNII Pro X as soon as it shipped for this feature only. Unless I'm totally off here, this option is still not implemented. Now if OS2 is the last planned update; does this mean I've spent my money and 2 years waiting in vain?
J.
Message 9/28 13-May-02 @ 02:57 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
The absolute value knob thingy is done with the 'knob mode' parameter in the global menu aint it ?
Christ does this guy actually OWN a supernova ?
Praps he cant read manuals.
Christ does this guy actually OWN a supernova ?
Praps he cant read manuals.
Message 10/28 13-May-02 @ 03:05 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
If you think that Novation have spent the last year and a half solid working away at an OS upgrade which will generate no additional income for the company then you've got your head in the clouds mate. Get real !
My guess is that they've probably been developing other products which will actually make money for the company and keep it afloat such as the K Station. If a company goes bust, who's going to produce the precious OS version then ?
Don't forget that these upgrades are FREE. If Novation are to produce further OS versions (which I think is unlikely now), then expect to pay for them big time if you want all the bells & whistle features.
Cant help feeling that Novation want to wash their hands over the whole OS business after all the bitching that went on here a while back.
My guess is that they've probably been developing other products which will actually make money for the company and keep it afloat such as the K Station. If a company goes bust, who's going to produce the precious OS version then ?
Don't forget that these upgrades are FREE. If Novation are to produce further OS versions (which I think is unlikely now), then expect to pay for them big time if you want all the bells & whistle features.
Cant help feeling that Novation want to wash their hands over the whole OS business after all the bitching that went on here a while back.
Message 11/28 13-May-02 @ 04:09 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Elektro - actually, I own a Supernova 2 keyboard and a Supernova 2 rack along with several other sound sources from various manufacturers. I use them regularly at home in the studio and on stage.
Apologies if I don't know every last parameter on my units (especially those I don't use very often) - I was only asking the question.
I can't remember if that option is present on the global menu. I ran through the menu last night, but can't remember seeing a knob mode parameter - will check when I get home.
Thanks for putting me right if I was wrong (I did say correct me if I'm wrong - I knew there was a possibility).
BTW - I've no problem with Nick, Kinetik or the Novation dev team, I know that given the chance they'd probably have been doing the work on the machine, but management pressure to get new models out always gets in the way. I do similar work in my day job so I know how it goes...
Chris
Apologies if I don't know every last parameter on my units (especially those I don't use very often) - I was only asking the question.
I can't remember if that option is present on the global menu. I ran through the menu last night, but can't remember seeing a knob mode parameter - will check when I get home.
Thanks for putting me right if I was wrong (I did say correct me if I'm wrong - I knew there was a possibility).
BTW - I've no problem with Nick, Kinetik or the Novation dev team, I know that given the chance they'd probably have been doing the work on the machine, but management pressure to get new models out always gets in the way. I do similar work in my day job so I know how it goes...
Chris
Message 12/28 13-May-02 @ 06:16 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Yep - pickup mode is there in OS1.5 as well as OS2.
Not something I'd used before - guess I'd overlooked it.
Chris
Not something I'd used before - guess I'd overlooked it.
Chris
Message 13/28 13-May-02 @ 10:54 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
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Whats this about Novation not planning futher OS updates for SNII? If this is due to customers making constructive critisisms about OS1.5 Novation should not take it personally and realise this is only part of running a company. I think Novation could avoid being pestered if they stopped making premature anouncements about OS updates, ie the anouncement they made on thier website over a year ago about OS2 being available for download any day.
Message 14/28 13-May-02 @ 11:46 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
All of those who bought a Supernova 2 are aware that all specs can change with out notice? Please read and understand that you bought a product that is still in progress. If there is somthing that was said in the specs that is not there when you bought the product. know that mabey they changed there mind's on it or its not available yet as its still in progress. If a certain feature is not available for the product and chances are you may not see it ever for it. Then I guess you would have to make the best of what is there or go buy a product that does support a certain feature.
Ive been wanting the Virus for a long time. but have not gotten one untill I felt for sure its pretty much complete and it does offer what I want. Dont blame the programmers of these product's blame your planning on buying these products knowing they are a work in progress. The supernova 2 is a very powerfull synth and one I dont mind getting now regardless if somthing is still missing or not. Who cares its better then most VA synths out there feature wise as is.
Later
Ive been wanting the Virus for a long time. but have not gotten one untill I felt for sure its pretty much complete and it does offer what I want. Dont blame the programmers of these product's blame your planning on buying these products knowing they are a work in progress. The supernova 2 is a very powerfull synth and one I dont mind getting now regardless if somthing is still missing or not. Who cares its better then most VA synths out there feature wise as is.
Later
Message 15/28 14-May-02 @ 09:10 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Ok. First of all, I respect the work Novation has done for us on the new OS.
On the other hand, it's part of the service a company has to offer (bugfixes, etc).
So, my thanks to the Novation team.
Scorpion, I couldn't lesser agree with you on your statements.
All specs can change without notice?
Products that are work in progress?
mmm... when you consider buying a synth, what are the criteria?
It's sound, it's price and the specs.
Now you're saying that when the specs aren't entirely consistent with the product, it's the customer who's to blame. Because he knew he was buying a "product in development".
Yeah right... like I'm buying a Supernova II beta.
That's just bullshit.
The point is, when specs are announced, they should've been realised in the first place.
When this is not the case, the company has an obligation to it's customers to rectify this.
It's called service.
Your point should be: you shouldn't buy a synth for it's potential FUTURE specs but you should focus on what's offered the very moment you're buying it.
On the other hand, it's part of the service a company has to offer (bugfixes, etc).
So, my thanks to the Novation team.
Scorpion, I couldn't lesser agree with you on your statements.
All specs can change without notice?
Products that are work in progress?
mmm... when you consider buying a synth, what are the criteria?
It's sound, it's price and the specs.
Now you're saying that when the specs aren't entirely consistent with the product, it's the customer who's to blame. Because he knew he was buying a "product in development".
Yeah right... like I'm buying a Supernova II beta.
That's just bullshit.
The point is, when specs are announced, they should've been realised in the first place.
When this is not the case, the company has an obligation to it's customers to rectify this.
It's called service.
Your point should be: you shouldn't buy a synth for it's potential FUTURE specs but you should focus on what's offered the very moment you're buying it.
Message 16/28 14-May-02 @ 09:18 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
I can't believe the amount of sh*t Novation are taking over the new OS. Can't the people who are moaning be grateful for a change instead of acting like childish kids.
Its free & it sorts of some known bugs - yeah sure it could have done with maybe this & that - but you never know OS2.1 could have these.
But as they've just released OS2 then it won't be happening for a bit - So I'm happy with OS2
Instead of moaning about this & that why not ask Nick in a polite way about what else could be added to the next update.
Finally stop biting the hand that feeds you and be grateful for OS updates!!!
Thank you Novation!
Its free & it sorts of some known bugs - yeah sure it could have done with maybe this & that - but you never know OS2.1 could have these.
But as they've just released OS2 then it won't be happening for a bit - So I'm happy with OS2
Instead of moaning about this & that why not ask Nick in a polite way about what else could be added to the next update.
Finally stop biting the hand that feeds you and be grateful for OS updates!!!
Thank you Novation!
Message 18/28 14-May-02 @ 10:10 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Cyrex,
I agree that any product should function according to the manufacturers' published specs, and that they should feel obligated to fix bugs as soon as possible.
However, the fact of the matter right now is that Novation has fixed a number of bugs as well as given us more features. The most interesting thing about the snii at the moment is what they did do, not what they didn't do.
That's why I get annoyed by all the bitching.
I agree that any product should function according to the manufacturers' published specs, and that they should feel obligated to fix bugs as soon as possible.
However, the fact of the matter right now is that Novation has fixed a number of bugs as well as given us more features. The most interesting thing about the snii at the moment is what they did do, not what they didn't do.
That's why I get annoyed by all the bitching.
Message 19/28 14-May-02 @ 10:53 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
I most certainly agree with you.
My post was meant as a comment on Scorpions post.
I agree with him on the respect for Novations efforts, but I disagree with some of his arguments (the specs-issue).
Ah well... this discussion has lost it's transparentcy and doesn't serve a purpose anymore.
The conclusion should be:
Thank you Novation.
My post was meant as a comment on Scorpions post.
I agree with him on the respect for Novations efforts, but I disagree with some of his arguments (the specs-issue).
Ah well... this discussion has lost it's transparentcy and doesn't serve a purpose anymore.
The conclusion should be:
Thank you Novation.
Message 20/28 14-May-02 @ 10:15 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
as a recovering bitch-fest addict over the SN1's OS debacle, i can look at this situation from a "been-there, done-that" perspective.
the biggest problem Novation has, and they continue to do this repeatedly (which shows that they really ARENT learning anything from these things, which also makes me think they don't really listen in the first place) is that they keep promising these features and options that never get developed or fixed. the big difference between novation and access's OS update policy is that Access doesnt make a big deal out of features that arent avaliable yet. Access is more the kind of company that says nothing about what will be in the OS update, and then when it comes out, they are like, "Okay, check out all the cool shit we added! and not only that, but we fixed all the old bugs!"
Novation is more like, "new OS is coming! it's going to be huge! we're adding all this shit! it's going to have this and this and this and that, and this too!" then it comes out and everybody is dissapointed that some things havent been addressed, and in some cases, broken things that were fine before. to me, the simple fact of that matter is that ever since Phill left novation their online presence and userbase communication has all but evaporated. I think the fact that this whole thing about OS2 being the last has proven that. When the SN2 came out, everyone was like, Its so ing huge! it's so powerful and its never going to run out of options! now we're here at OS2, and it seems like there is nothing more. what's up with that? it seems to me like novation is copping out more than ever before, and has for the most part abandoned all these people who forked out massive amounts of cash for these uber-synths, and now they're being left out in the cold like Dolph Lungdren and Van-Damme in Universal Soldier, in favor of the massive-cash-income-up-front for the k and a-station buyers. I can't say as I blame them, however, as it is simple economics. But you all cannot say that you had no idea, as us SN1 owners have already been left out in the cold several times before. Best you can do is take a seat, smoke a J, and learn all those knobs you never messed with much because soon that's the best you'll be able to do. its still an incredible synth, so we just have to make sure we get the best amount of use out of it you can.
scrotalsack (who was promised by phill the SN1 voice upgrade "would continue to be avaliable indefinately")
the biggest problem Novation has, and they continue to do this repeatedly (which shows that they really ARENT learning anything from these things, which also makes me think they don't really listen in the first place) is that they keep promising these features and options that never get developed or fixed. the big difference between novation and access's OS update policy is that Access doesnt make a big deal out of features that arent avaliable yet. Access is more the kind of company that says nothing about what will be in the OS update, and then when it comes out, they are like, "Okay, check out all the cool shit we added! and not only that, but we fixed all the old bugs!"
Novation is more like, "new OS is coming! it's going to be huge! we're adding all this shit! it's going to have this and this and this and that, and this too!" then it comes out and everybody is dissapointed that some things havent been addressed, and in some cases, broken things that were fine before. to me, the simple fact of that matter is that ever since Phill left novation their online presence and userbase communication has all but evaporated. I think the fact that this whole thing about OS2 being the last has proven that. When the SN2 came out, everyone was like, Its so ing huge! it's so powerful and its never going to run out of options! now we're here at OS2, and it seems like there is nothing more. what's up with that? it seems to me like novation is copping out more than ever before, and has for the most part abandoned all these people who forked out massive amounts of cash for these uber-synths, and now they're being left out in the cold like Dolph Lungdren and Van-Damme in Universal Soldier, in favor of the massive-cash-income-up-front for the k and a-station buyers. I can't say as I blame them, however, as it is simple economics. But you all cannot say that you had no idea, as us SN1 owners have already been left out in the cold several times before. Best you can do is take a seat, smoke a J, and learn all those knobs you never messed with much because soon that's the best you'll be able to do. its still an incredible synth, so we just have to make sure we get the best amount of use out of it you can.
scrotalsack (who was promised by phill the SN1 voice upgrade "would continue to be avaliable indefinately")
Message 21/28 15-May-02 @ 02:06 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
why is the SN1 voice upgrade file missing on their site, I have it, i think I added it for d/load somewhere too... i can post it easy if you like..
Message 22/28 15-May-02 @ 05:31 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
you guys are fuckin comical.
especially gb calling that dude a shithead? nice. just outta tha blue
bottom line is...if novation released a product that they used certain features, that werent available, as selling points, and have yet to implement those features, then thats just bullshit.
aint no way to get around it. not cool.
but..if they were advertised as "future upgrades" then people need to relax and see what happens. Even then, novation should follow through.
I love watching this, though. Pretty freakin funny.
oh..and to the guy who said something about waiting for a virus to "offer all that (he) wants"...
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU NEED? A BLOWJOB TO BOOT?
especially gb calling that dude a shithead? nice. just outta tha blue
bottom line is...if novation released a product that they used certain features, that werent available, as selling points, and have yet to implement those features, then thats just bullshit.
aint no way to get around it. not cool.
but..if they were advertised as "future upgrades" then people need to relax and see what happens. Even then, novation should follow through.
I love watching this, though. Pretty freakin funny.
oh..and to the guy who said something about waiting for a virus to "offer all that (he) wants"...
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU NEED? A BLOWJOB TO BOOT?
Message 23/28 15-May-02 @ 08:01 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
influx,
I don't think I can make it any more clear WHY the os bitching upsets me at this particular point in time. What part of it, exactly, didn't you understand ?
I don't think I can make it any more clear WHY the os bitching upsets me at this particular point in time. What part of it, exactly, didn't you understand ?
Message 24/28 15-May-02 @ 08:43 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
WHY you called the guy a shithead right off the bat?
THATS what. and dont start with that "what part dont you understand" crap.
THATS what. and dont start with that "what part dont you understand" crap.
Message 25/28 15-May-02 @ 10:48 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
Well, I suppose that wasn't really called for. I regret doing that.
Message 26/28 15-May-02 @ 11:42 AM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
No big problems really - I've been called worse!
;o)
Chris
;o)
Chris
Message 27/28 15-May-02 @ 04:46 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
could be worse, you could be tied in a chair & forced to watch the Harry Pothead video... that 'blowjob' upgrade sounds good tho....V3 for that?
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Message 28/28 16-May-02 @ 09:54 PM - RE: OS2 - Is that it?
K, i meant the hardware upgrade to push it
from 20 to 44 voice...
from 20 to 44 voice...
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