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Subject: DJ´s get all defensive about this
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Original Message 1/62 18-Aug-02 @ 10:58 AM - DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 2/62 18-Aug-02 @ 10:02 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
In my mind it doesn't matter how the songs are mixed but I guess if you play live it looks better if you do it all on turntables, but on the other hand there are very many well known djs who use cd players and mp3s too..
And I agree with you, though not being an expert on dj'ing, it's pretty stupid when they say they heard the difference after you had told them the thruth. "there was something wrong with it".. yeah right
Are you getting turntables? I want some.. just to mix at home and have fun Traktor rules by the way
Message 3/62 19-Aug-02 @ 03:26 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Get some decks...play some records...get final scratch or something
dissonance
Message 4/62 19-Aug-02 @ 07:29 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
its not just about the skills for me. But u do have to have some skills to do a god job even when the songs beatmatch themselves. Like for example finding wich songs go good together wich songs go where in the set and also know the structure of your tracks (not mixing out in a build up and stuff like that)
Message 5/62 19-Aug-02 @ 07:58 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
its NOT the same thing...but I find it amusing how DJs would behave as though they are having something taken from them, when 90% of them STILL dont acknowledge the faceless producers behind the music
funny thing is..if you take your laptop then that group of STUPID fucks who thing DJs are actually making the music as they go will probably expand since with a laptop itll look even more so.
my thoughts? WHO CARES what DJs think
Message 6/62 20-Aug-02 @ 06:34 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 7/62 20-Aug-02 @ 08:28 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
I say fuck 'em.
I'll also say I love the sound of Vinyl. But if you're just making a set and not scratching, vinyl's a hassle.
Get it on plastic however you fucking can, my man, and just smile when they bob their heads.
I put a rubber band on my crossfader when I scratch, and I can do crazy shit that guys who have played all their lives can't do. See, Mr. DJ, I'm using vinyl, but not the way you do! Aren't I a poser!?!
By not having to focus on the crossfader so much, it's allowed me to explore rhythms that would be just too complicated without a rubber band. By not focusing on technicalities like beat matching, it frees your mind up to be more creative. Fuck what they say.
psylichon
You think George Martin ever said, "We really shouldn't do it this way, no one else ever has...."...?
Message 8/62 20-Aug-02 @ 08:46 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
What a load of pony Influx. YOu don't read the music press. DJ's are constantly supplying "top ten" charts to the magazines. Also, they are constantly praising producers in the record review sections, etc.
Come on INflux you know this :-)
Message 9/62 20-Aug-02 @ 06:37 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
I dont dislike DJs, I just dont see why people want to suck their dicks so badly
Message 10/62 20-Aug-02 @ 08:38 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
In my own experience, DJs have always given me a good deal of respect. They're usually very interested in my rig when I do live PAs. They may make snide remarks behind my back, I dunno... I've heard some shit here and there, but for the most part, the gents I've dealt with have been pretty good to me.
Message 11/62 20-Aug-02 @ 09:40 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
(well if the shit rocks the crowd and u claim to have made it all by yourself when this is not actually the case at least i think its wrong people should get cred when they deserve it i even give cred to the people that make the presets i use on my nordrack2)
Message 12/62 20-Aug-02 @ 09:43 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 13/62 21-Aug-02 @ 06:18 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
It's not my fault that you shouldn't call yourself a djay, if you use traktor...and only traktor. Sorry. That's just the way it is. You aren't playing records, you are not djaying. Like I clearly stated before, you ARE mixing music and can employ alot of the same principles...planning your set...beat matching. I'm not trying to sound like an elitist or some shit...it's just that if you aren't playing records...you're not djaying.
I have the utmost respect for the cats that pump out the tracks that I play. I get a copy of pongoid's tracks when they come out on vinyl. I always make sure that when anyone asks what that was that I was playing, I let them know. Ohh that was my friend Pongoid, or that was Delay 04. Or that was Abe Duque's new shit...Joell Mull. Whoever.
Now I saw Ape play in Springfield MA...some fucking kid came up to me and asked..."Hey, what's that?" Now this is with two 15x20 screens with a projection of Obis and Ape playing with their gear, clearly visible on them. Fucking retard. "Well, they're not playing records."
dissonance
Message 14/62 21-Aug-02 @ 07:22 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
and if i get myself a record player and a mixer and hook that up to my lappy with traktor would i become a dj then ?
Message 15/62 21-Aug-02 @ 09:38 AM - DJ="Disk" jockey
Don't care what people think, and enjoy it.
Message 16/62 21-Aug-02 @ 11:19 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
have i summed u up
Message 17/62 21-Aug-02 @ 01:40 PM Edit: 21-Aug-02 | 01:43 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Regards.
Steve.
Message 18/62 21-Aug-02 @ 02:26 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 19/62 21-Aug-02 @ 03:05 PM Edit: 21-Aug-02 | 03:06 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Regards.
Steve.
Message 20/62 21-Aug-02 @ 03:53 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
the point was sometimes it is okay to get all defensive when some one is actually taking something away from u but i cant understand what it is that i am taking away from the djs except the fact that i do not have to work as hard to learn the basics of mixing techniques (the technical side of things like beat matching and cheking my levels) its like i should start to critizise (spelling?) some one for not using a hardware setup like me (it is easier to make music with softwar but impossible to play it live so thats why i stick to hardware and reaktor3 but now there is ableton too)
Message 21/62 21-Aug-02 @ 06:27 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Honestly, why is it important to call yourself a DJ anyway? That make what you do cooler...?
..and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I could really care less, just bein' devil's advocate... well actually, I am the devil... but I do advocate, so....
Peace
Message 22/62 21-Aug-02 @ 07:22 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
It's like the stupid fuck on the radio that uses some software to mix tracks during the "non-stop" dance mix. I called the guy up, "when did you guys start mixing?" "Well....I'm using some software to do it for me..." "OHH, okay then. You aren't djaying?" "No I'm not djaying, I'm using computer software to mix music"
Point being, you are mixing music. You just aren't djaying. Mixdawg.
dissonance
Message 23/62 21-Aug-02 @ 07:36 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 24/62 21-Aug-02 @ 09:31 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
US MIXDAWGS DRIVE TRAKTOR STEP ASIDE DJ´S
Message 25/62 21-Aug-02 @ 10:06 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
dissonance..I didnt think you would be one to flip out over something like this
Message 26/62 21-Aug-02 @ 10:45 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Now I'm not equating one with the other. I'm simply pointing out that he figures that if he's not playing records, he's not a djay.
That being said.
Do your thing. Shit if you want put a link up to one of these mixes so I can give it an ear. I'd like to listen to it, especially if you play some stuff that I like.
dissonance
Message 27/62 21-Aug-02 @ 10:49 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Also present are some meger attempts at some Techno and HipHop. Need lots of work, and haven't made anything new in three or four months.
dissonance
Message 28/62 22-Aug-02 @ 10:12 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
However, seems "mixdawgs on tractors" has smoothed out the ruff bits so we can all play nice again, eh?
Message 29/62 23-Aug-02 @ 06:37 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
anyone got something smart that i can say to these persons?
Message 30/62 23-Aug-02 @ 07:04 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
dissonance
Message 31/62 23-Aug-02 @ 10:39 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
dont be a chump follower and you've at least taken a step in the right direction
hey mindspawn..Im gonna call what you do NOSEPICKIN, ok?
Message 32/62 23-Aug-02 @ 02:04 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 33/62 23-Aug-02 @ 03:35 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 34/62 23-Aug-02 @ 06:20 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
don't techno for an answer/ants in your pants or you're that good a dancer?
hootin'n'hollerin'
Message 35/62 24-Aug-02 @ 01:37 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
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Message 36/62 24-Aug-02 @ 06:47 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
*pronounced dee-hay
Message 37/62 24-Aug-02 @ 08:32 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
technofear it is, no doubt. funny, for a music that likes to think of itself as futuristic, 909 808 303 say no more.
Message 38/62 25-Aug-02 @ 12:21 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
damn. heavy.
and Im listening to this maarten traack aand it sounds really mean
but a bit overcompressed
Message 39/62 25-Aug-02 @ 08:53 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
something smart? disk jockey. with a 'k' instead of a 'c,' as in 'hard disk.'
no offense dis but that's the beauty of language.. it adapts.
as for me, the first person that says "i'm a mixdog" in my proximity is going to receive a concussion.
Message 40/62 26-Aug-02 @ 01:51 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
a band called Bile did an album called Technowhore..or maybe teknowhore? cant remember
there was some MEAN shit on there!
Message 41/62 26-Aug-02 @ 01:52 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
a band called Bile did an album called Technowhore..or maybe teknowhore? cant remember
there was some MEAN shit on there!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=901362093
what a coinkydink
Message 42/62 27-Aug-02 @ 11:07 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 43/62 28-Aug-02 @ 08:21 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
but what is wrong with entering the bpm in the playlist (my friend always writes down the bpm on the sleves to his records)
and what is wrong with saving a few good cue points in a track this way u can work much faster
and do some stuff u normaly can´t (like some crazy loopin and stuff with the same track on both decks and cue up the next track in the 10s or so thats left)
by the way u should all read the interveiw with plastikman on the future music web site
Message 44/62 29-Aug-02 @ 01:07 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Cheers, M.
Message 46/62 29-Aug-02 @ 04:38 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
dissonance
Message 47/62 29-Aug-02 @ 07:15 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 48/62 30-Aug-02 @ 04:22 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
In actuality...it forces one to djay. It doesn't mix or match beats for you...it's a control interface. It allows you to play mp3's or wavs..or a couple other formats of digital music using vinyl as the base of control.
How that is for "producers that can't djay" is beyond me.
dissonance
Message 49/62 30-Aug-02 @ 05:32 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
I used to think that bringing a computer to a gig was weak. I learned that there are ways to PLAY music with them in a live fashion, so I got woken up, and now don't hate on them so badly. HOWEVER, I never got over folks trying to bullshit me or others when they are just mixing whatever, and trying to play it off as a live set. I've got a friend who uses Ableton Live in combination with records, and that I'd playing a hybrid live set, cuz it's interspersing it with others' records, and I'm all for doing it to make a good set of music. The thing is being honest in what you do. You don't have to advertise about it, but be honest if folks ask, and don't advertise falsely. Ok, my two cents.
Ape
Message 50/62 30-Aug-02 @ 06:26 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
I would add that if you're digital mixing, you owe it to the music to exploit the medium and try stuff that couldn't be done on 1200's.
Message 51/62 30-Aug-02 @ 06:50 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Ape
Message 52/62 30-Aug-02 @ 07:29 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 53/62 31-Aug-02 @ 05:54 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 54/62 01-Sep-02 @ 04:13 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 55/62 01-Sep-02 @ 08:24 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
On a quick tangent, my muhfukka, dissonance let me check out this turtablist conference video, and it was absolutely dope watchin Q-bert and D-styles swappin eights of just "the fresh" and "the ahh" over some fat little electro groove, but at the same time, in explaining the history of turntablism, they were totally caught up in technical tricks, almost like finger and crossfader olympics, and although talked a little about notatating things, they seemed to not have too much theoretical knowledge about the rymic concepts and approaches they had to their note placement and phrasing in their performances, and it kinda irked me, like it was Important Art, and although they were breaking ground, without a doubt, they were also just using a lot of theoretical knowledge applied in new ways that has been around a long time, and has been applied elsewhere. I'd like to see more turntablists with "traditional" music education in their backgrounds as well, so that they get less lost in the instrument and techniques, and more into exactly what they are doing musically. Watchin those cats swappin eights was definately the highlight of the tape for me, as it should a real Jazz ethic of improv and call and response thru manipulating samples in a really artistic way, so I can see where some pride is taken in turntablism, but if you're just pulling together a program of music, and matching a couple beats, and maybe cutting the bass of one track, whille mixing and cutting the next one in, and maybe backspinning or braking out of the first one, I don't know what DJ's have to be incensed about, by folks using a digital medium and integrating it into a showcase of recorded music, and besides, if it's your own music to boot, fuck them, that's the shit right there. I have a few records out now, and I take no shame in dropping most of a set of just my own records, burns of tunes, and mp3's and working them in ways I hadn't before. If you're doing it with traktor, or interspersing things that aren't pressed, or you can't find, but still want to get out there, by all means go on with at least my blessings and hopefully others' as well.
Ape
Ape
Message 56/62 02-Sep-02 @ 04:37 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
damn pongoid..you break off some incredibly precise bits of wisdome sometimes!
Message 57/62 02-Sep-02 @ 07:18 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
and finally now i have some good ways to put words across to my antagonists when they try to make me look bad infront of others and tell them that what i do is just crap cuz i use traktor its not about me trying to look good its about other people trying there best to make me look bad
Message 59/62 05-Sep-02 @ 06:41 PM Edit: 05-Sep-02 | 06:50 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Very good stuff...and holy shit can D Styles and QBert get down.
on another note.
there's a video of these two cats..Excess and ToadStyle getting down. The shit they're doing with a foot controled phrase sampler and some records is pretty impressive. Give it a viewing.
fuck..I'll have to post it later..can't find the link
okay here are the links...hispeed and otherwise
low=http://www.styluswars.com/multimedia/turntablist_lounge/real/episode5lo.ram
hi=http://www.styluswars.com/multimedia/turntablist_lounge/real/episode5hi.ram
dissonance
Message 60/62 05-Sep-02 @ 09:43 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
' You think George Martin ever said, "We really shouldn't do it this way, no one else ever has...."...? '
YES!! he did! but john et al would just do it anyway till he finally gave up and went along with it. i cite, as one example out of many, the mic'ing on eleanor rigby.
raigan
Message 61/62 06-Sep-02 @ 05:36 PM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
Message 62/62 12-Sep-02 @ 08:39 AM - RE: DJ´s get all defensive about this
What I hate is how they muscle us out of the scene that we are responsible for. Hell we need a union! We need to go on strike! With out us they would rot in hell.
As far as using sofware to mix, I recommend tables. If you ever want to dj at club and raves. They usually have their own decks at the site, and would look at you funny if you showed up with no records and a lappy. Get real man, you already know we are right, get over it. Kudos for your cool mixes on traktor, Im happy for you. And the Djs that saw probs only after you told them, that just shows you how conceited and egotistical most DJs are. Fuck em!
Those who cant play...DJ!
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