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Subject: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Original Message 1/124 30-Sep-02 @ 04:08 PM - 60 Minutes does it again...
Well, be it known to the doubters that Iran, Iraq, and Lebanon are in fact funding Arafat's desire for genocide.
The American magazine show "60 Minutes" aired a 25 minute piece detailing the captured of the Ramallah compound's secret documents by Israeli Intelligence.
Iraq supplies oil to Arafat. He later then sells it to would-be buyers taking a cut off the top and returning the funds back to Iraq.
Iran supplies the military training and hardware, directing and dictating were the murderous bombings should be carried out.
hehe, Gore debated Bush and said Iran and Iraq have nothing to do with this...haha, what an lemming. He'd do better in Russia.
Message 2/124 30-Sep-02 @ 05:44 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 3/124 30-Sep-02 @ 05:53 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
listen to yourself BTW GT - shove it right up your fucking arse.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 4/124 30-Sep-02 @ 06:46 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 5/124 30-Sep-02 @ 06:49 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
fact is, the plo has the same adjenda as ever -oh well, God is on the side of the rightous
Message 6/124 30-Sep-02 @ 07:43 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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* Who funds the IRA?
* When Isreali soldiers shot palestinian civilian children walking down a street and it was captured on Video, how much coverage did it get? Nil.
* As for Gore, he is right! Bushs methods are hurting the way the world looks on America, Bush flew over, stood infront on the UN and said that they don't do things his way then he'll undermine them, didn't even do it politely. Bush just rams things down people throats, atleast Gore isn't doing that!
Message 7/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:07 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Next sure, it'll be: "Saddam raped Mrs G Bush, he crept in her window at the whitehouse and fucked her rotten!!..... and besides, Saddam is running the secret Jewish conspiracy!!!... no wait!... er..."
it's all bollox and you know it, so my answer is about on par with the intelligence of your post I think.
I'm sorry dude but no fucker in a suit & tie is going to twist my mind to make me want to kill lots of children & civilians... you mebbe, but not me bro!... You just sound like a fuckin' halfwit coming here amongst grown adults claiming that Arrafat, some guy with no power, no political rights, and who is surrounded under house arrest in a pile of fucking rubble with no political clout or resources etc is somehow causing or planning a 'genocide'... it's fucking laughable...
All your showing is you have a nasty hidden agenda (no?.. really??...) ..... now piss off with that crap and dont insult my intelligence.
sorry but:
1. I dont believe the USA protects freedom & democracy round the world.
2. I dont beleive the commies will eat our children and take over society.
3. i dont beleive 'the niggers' will take over and destroy a God-given natural white supremacy.
4. I dont beleive the evil commie 'gooks' will take over the world.
5. i dont beleive 'the injuns' are murderous bloodthirsty ungodly savages who'll rape our women and kill our children in their beds...
6. I dont beleive the commies are infiltrating hollywood.
7. I dont beleive the satanic jews are taking over the morals of our children thru the movie industry.
8. i dont beleive smoking pot will make me go insane and become a homocidal murderous maniac.
etc etc etc...
Now what OTHER US Gov't 'conspiracies' would you like to discuss?... ha!... I mean... They've all been so truthful & on the money before innit!
Now eat my shorts!
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 8/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:42 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
damn dude, talk about not staying on topic ;)
Message 9/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:49 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
it's funny how people are, isn't it.. y'know how i said this morning one of my neighbors got their house smashed up last night? i was over at double's on the way home from job (btw.. shiny/octave is ages ago now.. i'll upload some stuff off the new album.. can't laud it enough) and he said some guys came round with some goods they were trying to get rid of in a hurry. do they put it on the news? "thugs, go out and nick something tonight.." and why does that fat girl keep wearing more and more perfume and dance around my chair? my freaking eyes are burning out of their sockets.
Message 10/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:49 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 11/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:52 PM Edit: 30-Sep-02 | 08:56 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
a guy, sitting in a building surrounded by a square mile of rubble, surrounded by enemy tanks & soldiers, who can't actualy do anything, is committing or is going to commit 'genocide'?
Straight out of a box of Frosties that is mate!...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 12/124 30-Sep-02 @ 08:53 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
b) k kicks so much ass; thank you.
Message 13/124 30-Sep-02 @ 09:00 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 14/124 30-Sep-02 @ 09:13 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
hell. at least I still know that pro wrestling
matches are real.
Message 15/124 30-Sep-02 @ 09:41 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 16/124 30-Sep-02 @ 11:19 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
BJT
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Message 17/124 30-Sep-02 @ 11:31 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
I know that.. The thruth
Message 19/124 01-Oct-02 @ 12:36 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Right now all the universities in iraq have long been converted to dental colleges and they are turning out squads of crack dentists ready to strike with vastly inflated professional fees!
it's true i tell you!
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 20/124 01-Oct-02 @ 12:57 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
No way, I thought they were a bunch of 3rd worlders living in refrigerator boxes and worshipping false idols and eating each others babies and setting aflame the values I hold dear.
You mean, that's not true?
(Who buys all those refrigatos anyway?)
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Message 21/124 01-Oct-02 @ 12:57 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Message 23/124 01-Oct-02 @ 01:49 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 24/124 01-Oct-02 @ 01:49 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 25/124 01-Oct-02 @ 02:23 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
WTF? you fkers eat some odd shit
honestly GT...Im not gonna throw insults at you but you really do come off as VERY impressionable when it comes to politics. Seems like you want SO badly to believe that the US govt is the big white democracy protector that it claims to be...
time and again this has been shown to be untrue. WHEN will you come around?
Message 26/124 01-Oct-02 @ 06:01 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
All the Israelis want is to be left alone with NO BOMBS, NO SHOOTINGS etc, but the PLO can't get (doesn't want to) their act to together and police (security farces) their OWN people (cos they are in fact involved too. So, unfortunately, Israel LOOKS bad cos they "occupy" (read: engage) an UNsecure area from which these bombing tards come from.
pict?? not CNN - that sux arse...CBS
thanks influx, im not gonna join some kiddy flame game either.
na man, i look at sh_t from a lot of different views. im not that impressionable really. our government is tied up in the muck of "political correctness" so it can't even investigate people without it's tits hammered by the pansy liberals.
i like the passion that arafat has, but his two-faced lying and desire for the murderous eradication of God's people just negates all the joy unno.
kilo, it's okay man. i guess you need arafat to tell you himself that he is involved with these murderous bombings in which innocent people are slaughtered for 20 second media splashes. Didn't the IRA finally find out that this tactic sucked?
Lets skip the argument ad hominem please.
i just wanted to share an article with DT cynics from a decent, impartial source. Come on guys...refute the report (swanofnever, influx) if you want to...but let's keep it focused
. I know it's kind of tough when the light comes on in the darkness.
btw k, "the lounge" is sorted ;)
Message 27/124 01-Oct-02 @ 07:40 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
and youre DEFENDING ISRAEL?
wow.
you and formant...just...wow
Message 28/124 01-Oct-02 @ 07:57 AM Edit: 01-Oct-02 | 07:58 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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Israel defending themsleves against those evil people that actually lived there before they arrived and built all over other people's land?
What about the settlements all over palestinian lands? More every day. The israelis objectives are clear, total control of palestine.
What about the hundreds and thousands of palestinian people who are not even allowed back into the country?
And those twin clowns arafat and sharon carry on their personal vendetta at the expense of more and more deaths of innocents on both sides.
Tell me, what would you do if someone did to say Texas, what the zionist jews did to palestine? Someone with a 'historical' claim maybe?
'God's people'.. eccch.
Message 29/124 01-Oct-02 @ 07:59 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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Message 30/124 01-Oct-02 @ 09:55 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
or the mexicans?
phew.
and man..where does that leave ME? Im a nig MUTT for chrissakes!
Message 31/124 01-Oct-02 @ 11:15 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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(sorry bedwyr)
Message 32/124 01-Oct-02 @ 11:44 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
and it would only be bits of the north of england and a strip down the marches anyway. you still want catterick (catraeth) and oswestry (croesoswallt) ?
Message 33/124 01-Oct-02 @ 12:12 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
i didn't even know the lounge existed until today......
Message 34/124 01-Oct-02 @ 12:19 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
actually, sadly, i do.
formant, would you do us a favour and see if you can reach your 'brother' here and tell him just how erroneous that is? especially with the #&@%#$ capital g..
i dunno guys. i think they've got a crack squad on me to depress me. over at kvr some guy keeps insisting i 'have no knowledge of harmony, melody, chords' or be aware of 'what i'm musically saying' because i've not taken lessons and i got no backing from the community tellnig him he was up his own ass. and then this. i knew the species was fucked, but i thought we were beyond this wack blind level of opinion (i'd say thought, but...) seriously. fucking elders of zion. fuckers.
Message 36/124 01-Oct-02 @ 04:33 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 37/124 01-Oct-02 @ 05:23 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 38/124 01-Oct-02 @ 05:40 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Very frustrating to just be told you have to leave!!! It's just the kind of thing that even reasonable people might get angry about. Even gentle people might get furious... Even kind hearts might turn angry and loose their compassion for an oppressor that relentlessly pusshes them further into a hostile and unforgiving desert. Children might loose their heads and throw stones, FORCING well armed and responsible soldiers to gun them down cold... CHILDREN!!! And their parents, having lost everything, desperate and furious, might condone the suicide killings of their tormentors!
e
Message 40/124 01-Oct-02 @ 06:19 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Let's take a people who've been living in this area for 1600 years, which coincidentally happens to be one of the most religiously significant areas of the world, and throw them out and move this other population of people in.
I'm a pacifist and that'd make me fight...
-Craig
Message 41/124 01-Oct-02 @ 06:30 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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Message 42/124 01-Oct-02 @ 07:39 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 43/124 01-Oct-02 @ 07:44 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
(cut to scene... Mel is riding up and down a line of Palestinians in robe and sandals... on an ass...)
"Some of you might die already!!... Some of you might be resettled!.. but would you... lying in your beds many years from now, trade all that for the chance to kick some Israeli ass!!?"
etc.
Message 44/124 01-Oct-02 @ 08:00 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 45/124 01-Oct-02 @ 08:10 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Message 46/124 01-Oct-02 @ 09:02 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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I'm currently trying to decide just when would be the most appropriate moment to press the button... any suggestions for a suitable date?
Message 47/124 01-Oct-02 @ 09:37 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
-Craig
Message 48/124 01-Oct-02 @ 10:53 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
let's assume that [whoever] IS in fact funding 'terrorism' in some competing country. let's even say that the country's government topples as a result of [whoever]'s actions.
hell, let's even say that [whoever] is also building/has already built up a large nuclear arsenal.
the point, to me, is that it's the worst, most intollerable and dangerous form of stupidity for the US to claim that ANY of these actions are wrong or should be stoppped when the US itself has done the exact same things. just substitute [USA] in there and guess what... the statements are still valid/true.
yet another example of total bullshit: one of the candidates for the presidency (or prime minister or whatever) of germany had a staff member who compared the current political (and social) state/practises of the US to nazi germany. of course, the US ambassador and foreign minister etc. have a ing fit; but the points were valid.
there wasn't even a debate, it was like "how dare you call us nazis! we're the USA! the ing master race!" which is apparently the US way of refuting an argument. absolutely no counter-examples or attempt to justify _why_ exactly the comment was inappropriate... it was anti-US and that in itself IS apparently inappropriate.
see... you guys like to talk big about freedom of speech and privacy etc. but the chasm between theory and practise is ing mighty large.
i honestly beleive that if every living person in north america today simply ceased to exist, not only would the world/society be a better place but would have a MUCH better chance of actually improving with time and growing.
raigan
p.s: arguments based on god are also ing ridiculous. i really wish there was some kind of international court in which such disputes are arbitrated... i'd LOVE to see representatives for these violent religous factions defend their actions on the basis of god. or representatives for the US defend their actions on the basis of the supremacy of the US, for that matter.
Message 50/124 01-Oct-02 @ 11:34 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
hmmmm.... so is that a nice pretty "cease to exist" or a violent, bloody mass death. 'Cause we would stink up the whole EARTH if we actually died all at once for you.
hehehe
e
Message 51/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:04 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
There is always an answer.. hehehe
Message 52/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:06 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 53/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:16 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
i didn't say die.. just... cease to exist.
what we should do maybe is really ramp up the space program; then it's golgafrincham time.
Message 54/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:22 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
"Starving child killed when hit on head by frozen American penis" ... HA HA!!! I'd die for that!
e
Message 55/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:58 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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*bows deeply*
Message 56/124 02-Oct-02 @ 01:10 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
One day, jack booted thugs with little silhouets of Texas embroidered on their caps will kick in my front door and drag me screaming from my family.
Perhaps becoming an ex-patriate has some merit... Besides which, they like my music EVERYWHERE more than they like it here!
e
Message 57/124 02-Oct-02 @ 01:22 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
you know what, man. AGAIN, FCK YOU.
and your stupid ing knowitall bullshit. Are you forgetting that you live in "North America"?
That..man..if you had said that to me in person I woulda popped you one. We're not all stupid, we're not all gluttonous, we're not all socially inept or unaware, and there are MANY of us here in America who's eyes are opening further and further the the realities
Doesnt anyone else get tired of hearing this shit from this guy? HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU that you can make such stupid sweeping comments?
damn
Message 59/124 02-Oct-02 @ 02:26 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 60/124 02-Oct-02 @ 02:48 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 61/124 02-Oct-02 @ 04:18 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
just a fucking stupid smug comment from someone who clearly thinks theyve got it all sorted
Message 62/124 02-Oct-02 @ 07:05 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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Damn...
Message 63/124 02-Oct-02 @ 08:21 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
but the thing is..hes NOT a moron..not from what Ive read for the most part, but this crap about singling out the US...GET OVER IT!
Message 64/124 02-Oct-02 @ 09:56 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 65/124 02-Oct-02 @ 10:31 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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Message 66/124 02-Oct-02 @ 10:35 AM Edit: 02-Oct-02 | 10:35 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Zazza
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British police,
French cooks,
German engineers,
Italian lovers,
and the Swiss look after the money
European Hell:
German police,
British cooks,
French engineers,
Swiss lovers,
and the Italians look after the money
Message 67/124 02-Oct-02 @ 12:42 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Message 68/124 02-Oct-02 @ 01:15 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
and force everyone to wear cordouroys.
you have been warned.
Message 69/124 02-Oct-02 @ 01:53 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
anyway, this was a last attempt to carry a intelligent conversation with rocks...enjoy incessant drivel and denial kilo, et al.
Message 70/124 02-Oct-02 @ 03:02 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Look GT, by your statements you support the ruling of private corporations over people... you support a global community where private corps who have NO elected mandate to make descisions can manipulate peoples governments & the UN, start wars over corporate power struggles to grab foreign resources, & even bring about the horrible deaths of tens of thousands or more innocent women & children & other civilians...
Do you REALLY expect to be welcomed by anyone in the music scene with that agenda in your belt? - Just talk a ing long walk off a short plank!
Message 71/124 02-Oct-02 @ 03:04 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
"60 minutes does it again"
"God's people"
Message 72/124 02-Oct-02 @ 04:00 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Anyway, keep going cos it would be boring with processions of yes's and mindless correctness - yeah?
Quick comment on war though - we are all a bunch of pampered bored arn't we. I have no idea what it would be like to be under the conditions our favourite oppressors and oppressed endure, I just stand here thinking against and spouting occasionally. There is no defence for any action but I have no experience of balancing the various scales of human need either
Mind you though - I thought I was very good for not diving into the faith thread - if ever there was a bag of sugar coated almonds asking for it then... ah!
Message 73/124 02-Oct-02 @ 04:27 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
enjoy...i'm sure zazza will cowardly find someone else to call a moron...gotta love the new guy calling someone else a troll too...ah hell, this site is tired as well.
Message 74/124 02-Oct-02 @ 05:16 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
is that the second strop you're going to throw?.. I mean besides announcing you're leaving?
look it's simple .. i dont think it's about the two opposing stances even that much, it's mostly about your ability to deal with it & your pissy attitude of superiority..
"I'm right and if you dont agree I'M LEAVING... Look , I've even started a thread to tell you i'm leaving dammit!!... and... I'm back... but ONLY to tell you again how much you all suck for not agreeing with me!!!... and now i'm leaving again... and... and... the site is crap too...!!".
I think you have a fixed attitude, but can't offer anything which feels balanced emotionaly to support it.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 75/124 02-Oct-02 @ 05:32 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 76/124 02-Oct-02 @ 05:38 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
My god, it was only 2 years ago that EVERYTHING seemed to be getting better! F*ckin' republicans and their doomsday talk. Remember, during the election smart people said that Bush was generating a self fullfilling prophesey? Bantering about wars, and terrorists and a declining economy. At a time when there was more peace, reason and prosperity than in 50 years?
Now look at this mess.
e
Message 77/124 02-Oct-02 @ 05:51 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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If only you knew
Leans back in rocking chair: 'why I tell you son, I was logging onto dancetech before you were outta diapers', koff, koff...
and GT, I wasn't calling you a moron... but you obviously thought you were the obvious candidate...
k: Right on dude.. tell it like it is... them desky darn oil-hugging elitist fascists got it comin' to 'em..
Take Sadaam, Bush (Jr. and Sr.), Blair and the rest of 'em and lock in em in a box till they eat each other that's what I say... playin' with people's lives, lying to us and living off the fat of the land while they impose corrupt, brutal dictators on the rest of the world...
fuck 'em
Who gave power to Saddam, the US, why? To fight Iran, Why? Because they threw off another US/UK backed dictator. Who? The Shah. Why the Shah? Oil.
Same old shit.
Message 78/124 02-Oct-02 @ 06:51 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
there's been no reckoning of past mistakes, no reexamination of our relationships with piece-of-shit despots and tyrannical regimes, and no attempt to really look at why we are so hated... and there certainly hasn't been any attempt to do anything about it.... just war and killing, and the threat of more war....
vitriol aside, the people on this board have a much better grasp of the politics and the complexities of the situation than most people I know here in the USA... cheers to you all....
Message 79/124 02-Oct-02 @ 08:02 PM Edit: 02-Oct-02 | 08:15 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
At least he can get to the end of sentences without forgetting what he said at the beginning.
Message 80/124 02-Oct-02 @ 08:39 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
read any ayn rand lately? I'd bet you love her stuff.
It really is funny to watch you come in here and talk shit about how this place sucks, pull your tantrum shit, then come back, do it again, and then COME BACK AGAIN?!?!?!
either stay or go but dont announce it, and PLEASE find better sources to back your fascist leanings, ok?
Message 81/124 03-Oct-02 @ 03:20 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Message 82/124 03-Oct-02 @ 11:09 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
that's all the pot he smokes I guess.
Hey... here's a joke
When Bush takes over he and Mrs Bush go to stay over at the Whitehouse for a traditional weekend with the outgoing President, and they get shown around the house, and all the rest of it etc...
So they are staying over, and Bush is in bed and wants a piss, so he trots off to find the toilet... He comes back and says to his wife:
"Honey!.. Godamn it, they have a GOLD urinal!.. We gotta get one of those installed when we move in!"
The next day Bush is off with Clinton somewhere showing him various stuff, and the wives spend their day together doing their stuff, and during the day Bush's wife mentions the Gold urinal to Hilary and they chat about it...
Later that night, Clinton is with the wife in their bedroom, and Hilary says;
"Bill... I found out who pissed in your saxaphone"
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 83/124 04-Oct-02 @ 12:03 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Message 85/124 04-Oct-02 @ 12:21 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
things just seem like they're past the point of no return. i thought the whole foundation of your society (constitution) was change... like, it could be changed whenever needed. really progressive/dynamic. but then why is there so much conservative/backward shit going on?
what's up with that? what's up with people pattenting algorithms instead of sharing them? to me that's kind of symbolic of the sickness of NA... we'd rather keep our knowledge to ourselves in the hopes of making some cash instead of sharing it with the world in the hopes of progressing as a species. that's ing pathetic, and if the urge to progress isn't overpowering the (sick) urge to horde and not evolve, SOMETHING drastic had better happen to kick us back onto a less growth-inhibiting path or we're just going to sit and fester... and watch superbowl XXVIMMMMCCIXXXX and the 3006 MTV awards.
i'm not forgetting where i live, and i'm SURE that "We're not all stupid, we're not all gluttonous,"etc. but... so what? are MOST of us not gluttinous? what's the ratio? how could we even measure stuff like that?
how about a very simple-minded thought experiment:
let's say we travel back in time (pre-WWII) with a bomb that will blow up a single building. inside the building are hitler/etc, and X totally innocent people. how large does X have to be before it's no lonnger justifiable to destroy the building? greater than zero? greater than the number of WWII-related deaths?
or is it ultimately pointless cause even if we killed some of the main persons responsible, social situations/etc. would cause similar outcomes?
i don't know... seems confusing to me. seems like you can't really defend EITHER position.
capitalism was great; look at how much it drove us technologically. woo. BUT now that we're starting to hit a wall... what are we going to do? cling to the past or try to find a new and better way to live? seems like the US _should_ be in a prime position as vanguard (since the ability to totally reconfigure their society is built into it's kernel) but instead they struggle to keep things as they were.
to be honest, i guess i just don't understand ANYTHING.
raigan
p.s - wtf is wrong with ayn rand?! i know that around here she's the figurehead for some really stupid people ("the empiricists" or something) but... to me her message is simple: a group of people is always less than the sum of their parts. which is clearly demonstrated anytime a lot of "patriotism" crops up; intelligence vanishes.
Message 86/124 04-Oct-02 @ 12:29 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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Message 88/124 04-Oct-02 @ 12:56 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
anyway...your shit about just eliminating everyone...fucking ludicrous. Things need to change, yes, but both internally in people, and in our system(s) of government
there are bad people out there, and they frighten me as well, as do the ignorant self centered fools who simply do whatever they feel is ok as long as they gain from it
but youre equating the US govt with the US people, and then equating THAT with HITLER?
no
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Message 90/124 04-Oct-02 @ 01:51 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
what do you mean exactly?
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Read 'Making History' by Stephen Fry which has this exact dilemma as the plot.. hehe.. and they do go back in time and kill Hitler during the first world war.. and return to find the US is being run by .....
Message 92/124 04-Oct-02 @ 03:09 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
I think the groundwork for change is in that kernel of constitution, but change seems to occur in glacial time for most people's tastes... institutions like govt. and religion are forever playing catch up to how a progressive people really feel.... someday Arab women will rejoice.
it's the rule of law that really matters in the USA... laws are easy to make, but hard to change...
ayn rand was an 'objectivist' (I think)... I heard they are kind of discredited among the serious set...
Message 93/124 04-Oct-02 @ 04:11 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
then I tried to read atlas shrugged and it showed me the true light that Rand was yet another smug self important intellectual who thought she had i all figgered out.
objectivism. whatever
Message 94/124 04-Oct-02 @ 10:31 AM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
swanofnever
Gluttony is relative - if 'enough' can be estimated/implied then you will need more for tomorrow. Story - I was pissed up talking last night about how baby knows the sing song of the language and fills over the 'humming' with more words as she gets older. OK. If this is so then we all speak baby talk. Our ability to converse is from the sing song - the words make it easier. Whats the point. We never leave baby talk - we talk our experienced version, gluttony is relative, like the mathematical infinity between 0 and 1 (and 2 etc)
Bombing building Q is fair - I say Ability to influence future events, including those people who would travel back in time and blow up buildings;). As to HOW they influence events - thats the tricky one. I have a mate who says (if he could) he would become the most powerful man ever and then publically carry out attrocities of hideous proportions and do all of these things in sight of the world using his power to protect himself. He recons that in the end mankind would rise up and destroy him without law or gov, and in doing this they would come together to make a better future in their public spirited-ness. So knowing this and doing this - should my mate be put in the building? (Check out Dennis Potter play??? and Watchmen)
Making change is difficult, how many here would rather not smoke cigarettes?, in the faith thread there was much about parents giving opinion to the offspring, so generational time scales would be relevant. Is change possible when your idea of a perfect world changes. Again, is it our understanding of the changing world OR a changing world that we respond to?
What to do - large stimulus over short time creating more explosive change, lower stimulus over longer time sculpting change with feedback possibly going nowhere. Or is democracies' fixed elected term reducing the possibility of long term change from a planned strategic level. Maybe this whole thing is such a boom (forgive the pun) cos he might only have 5 years to finish the job - if so, what is the job that needs to have so much done just 2 years into the term. Of course it also be that all of the powers that be don;t give a twit and ARE just self serving shells without interest in the common good
Will any of this - any of us ever make any difference
My karma just ran over your dogma
Beep beep
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cheddar ave timothy leary
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What because the state says it is ok to kill someone?
What if they get it wrong and the guy they execute turns out to be innocent?
What if the serial killer only kills rapists?
Message 102/124 04-Oct-02 @ 07:16 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
"stupid", see? another little manifestation of the problem. what are you gonna do? attack jersey?
serial rapist-killers and the rapists they try to kill should fight to the death on television so we can show our kids what's gonna happen to them if they try drugs.
Message 103/124 04-Oct-02 @ 08:19 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
you don't have very bloody long, you know. because i've brought some rooting hormone and before long i'm going to have enough money to buy some drugs i like to take, and then i'm spending all day in the garden propogating c. artemisoides (they're so nice waving back and forth en masse) and all night in my studio, so you better be nice to me and agree with what i say is right. serial rapists are sending rupees to my midi printer and i'm getting tired of al your shit, man!
that's *4* days w/o ezboard or kvr. no more ulcers for me.
Message 104/124 04-Oct-02 @ 08:50 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Ive always felt this way though! Im thoroughly disgusted with the state of affairs here, as a truly good thing is being obliterated right before our eyes
I see the potential, but awareness of this potential makes the reality even more disgusting
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Message 106/124 06-Oct-02 @ 03:40 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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ease up on bush, he can't help it
Message 107/124 06-Oct-02 @ 04:27 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
- I do so by asking them the right questions, - says the Queen.
- Allow me to demonstrate. - She phones Tony Blair and says
- Mr. Prime Minister. Please answer this question: Your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or sister. Who is it?
Tony Blair responds
- It's me, ma'am.
- Correct. Thank you and good-bye, sir,- says the Queen. She hangs up and says
- Did you get that, Mr. Bush?
- Yes ma'am. Thanks a lot. I'll definitely be using that!
Upon returning to Washington, he decides he'd better put the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to the test. He summons Jesse Helms to the White House and says
- Senator Helms, I wonder if you can answer a question for me.
- Why, of course, sir. What's on your mind?
- Uhh, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?
Helms hems and haws and finally asks,
- Can I think about it and get back to you?
Bush agrees, and Helms leaves. Helms immediately calls a meeting of other senior Republican senators, and they puzzle over the question for several hours, but nobody can come up with an answer. Finally, in desperation, Helms calls Colin Powell at the State Department and explains his problem.
- Now lookee here, son, your mother has a child, and your father has a child, and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?
Powell answers immediately,
- It's me, of course!
Much relieved, Helms rushes back to the White House and exclaims,
- I know the answer, sir! I know who it is! It's Colin Powell!
And Bush replies in disgust
- Wrong, it's Tony Blair!!!
Message 108/124 06-Oct-02 @ 04:31 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
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Message 111/124 07-Oct-02 @ 09:21 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
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more fun with oil.
Message 112/124 07-Oct-02 @ 11:15 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
Canada and Australia seem to keep their hands clean...
South America? now THERE is a fucked up place, and we ALL have our hands in their pot...
you know what..maybe the kill all humans thing...hmmmm
I just aint gonna sit and let people blame it all on the US anymore, and especially aint gonna let em lump me in with the unaware.
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hospital? buses? it's all innocent people one side would say
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There ain't no moral high ground here...
Amnesty report:
"Both the Israeli Defence Force and Palestinian armed groups show an utter disregard for the lives of children and other civilians," it adds.
The report says more than 250 Palestinians under 18 years of age, and over 70 young Israelis have been killed during the two-year Palestinian uprising.
Children bear the brunt of the conflict
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
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Message 121/124 08-Oct-02 @ 05:47 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
"While the report alone seems to build a compelling case that oil is one of the central issues fuelling the war against Iraq, there are also other, circumstantial pieces of the jigsaw that show disturbing connections between 'black gold' and the Bush administration's desire to wage war on Saddam. In 1998 the oil equipment company Halliburton, of which Dick Cheney was chief executive, sold parts to Iraq so Saddam could repair an infrastructure that had been terribly damaged during the 1991 Gulf war. Cheney's firm did Ģ15 million of business with Saddam -- a man Cheney now calls a 'murderous dictator'. Halliburton is one of the firms thought by analysts to be in line to make a killing in any clean-up operation after another US-led war on Iraq. "
http://www.sundayherald.com/28224
Message 122/124 08-Oct-02 @ 06:32 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
-Craig
Message 123/124 08-Oct-02 @ 09:03 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
himself as the augustus of pax americana,
dubya's just his puppet ruler. if only the
doctors can keep his ticker working.
Message 124/124 08-Oct-02 @ 10:04 PM - RE: 60 Minutes does it again...
somewhere on his page there will be links to a radio show he did covering the connection between Bush's grandpa and the Nazi's.
this weeks one is about Iraq.
really well-documented and compelling arguments that it's even worse than you ever thought.
I'm on a news-fast myself, but for those of you who like feeling misanthropic outrage...
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