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Original Message 1/67 01-Oct-02 @ 06:39 PM - Guitar Band Talk
Apparently major labels are going back to the old school. Basically, trying to find bands and nuture them into the next "U2" or "REM". There's this band in Denmark (can't remember the name) and they were totally unknown out of their country. Even in their country they only played gigs and didn't ever record/release anything. Anyway, word spread and they've just been signed for a 7 figure sum.
The circle turns and now the labels are heavily into signing guitar bands. Its cool watching bands (I'm not a regular guitar gig attender) like Ash and The White Stripes though, cos there is always this strange kinda sexual tension going on between the male lead singers and the female guitarist/drummer. Its like go and rent a bloody room!
Message 2/67 01-Oct-02 @ 07:36 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
the problem I see it is they are trying to create an alternative to the genuine youth market which they dont want to touch or want to back away from a bit, ('urban' music).. but in rock there isnt really any new style to cash in on like there was in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's & 90's... it's all been done already - how much 'harder' can band go?... not much... so what's the alternative?.. songs are scarce on the ground I heard.. plenty of bands, no decent writers tho so they say... So you got thrashy stuff, sorta 'grunge leftovers' but where the old grunge guys were drawing on older music for their influence and thus propelled quality songs by taking that influence and dirtying it up, the new bands i dont think have any much musical history to draw from so their songs are a bit like badly rehashed simple chords. it's sort of lost it's spark so they are going for novelty records almost right now until a new genre appears to bandwaggon onto I guess...
i think mebbe a classic rock sound will make a comeback soon... a move away from this endless 'thrash with melody' clones, back to a little 'guitar heroism' a bit, and more musician-y bands mebbe??...
Britian has DEFINATELY lost out totaly in rock now tho.
Message 3/67 01-Oct-02 @ 09:25 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
wouldn't it be a perfect time for another rock radiohead album? THAT's classic rock IMO.
psylichon
Message 4/67 02-Oct-02 @ 08:40 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
dunno..tool/perfect circle...still heavy and still quite good
the new stuff? CRAP.
Message 5/67 02-Oct-02 @ 09:36 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
this is to the peple here in USA.. WHat do you guys think about the whole Emo-rrock thing? its gotten so big in this last year or so.. seems like its for the grown up scenester punk rockers and old goths... I see so many people in hick hats and super tight clothes.. its weird.. I went to couple shows and there was this band called Dutvh flat.. pretty emo uset skinny guys they were.. they had 2 drummers and used some synths it was pretty cool... I just dont like guitars too much because of the whole everyone who wanted to be a rockstar picked up a guitar when we were in 8 th grade... back to my cave.
Message 6/67 02-Oct-02 @ 09:38 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
and at the drive in was NOT bad
Message 8/67 03-Oct-02 @ 01:55 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Oh, and god praise MBV Loveless.
Message 9/67 03-Oct-02 @ 02:16 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Funny how all my "radio-headed" friends want another Bends. At least an ok computer. They're all rockers, though. I could go either way. But if you're talkin about saving rock, another rock Radiohead album would do the cause well, no? regardless of whether you liked the bends or not.
psylichon
Message 10/67 03-Oct-02 @ 09:09 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 11/67 03-Oct-02 @ 04:12 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Buffalo is filled with that shit.
-Craig
Message 12/67 04-Oct-02 @ 12:02 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Emo. ptooey
Message 13/67 04-Oct-02 @ 03:11 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Buffalo is filled with that shit. "
So is Seattle.
Thanks.. I tought I was the only one... Its a big fashion show.. i keep seeing these guys in hick hats.. like the ones with mesh and have somme trucker thing on it.. it doesnt make sense... anyways.
Message 14/67 04-Oct-02 @ 02:18 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 15/67 04-Oct-02 @ 06:15 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
If you can't make something good out of it, I don't want you to emulate someone who "saved" it, therefore killing it again with imitators.
RHead might as well be electronic now anyway...
Kid A is as classic as it gets.
And those trucker hats make me sick. They sell them at urban outfitters for 30 bucks.
Argh.
The state of intelligence in this world just never ceases to amaze me.
Message 16/67 04-Oct-02 @ 07:23 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 18/67 06-Oct-02 @ 11:36 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 19/67 07-Oct-02 @ 10:24 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 20/67 07-Oct-02 @ 10:28 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
i really beg to differ. I like todays music - they starting to blend electronic/rock/hiphop etc. Really good stuff. Makes me drool...
Message 21/67 07-Oct-02 @ 10:32 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 22/67 07-Oct-02 @ 11:09 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
and then that GOD DAMN MAKE THE CAMERA SHAKE SO THE SONG SOUNDS HARDER filming technique for videos?!?!?!
and..Incubus? sorry, but they lost their balls the minute they signed past S.C.I.E.N.C.E. which was a BEAUTIFUL effort
Message 23/67 08-Oct-02 @ 12:59 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 24/67 08-Oct-02 @ 01:54 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 25/67 08-Oct-02 @ 05:28 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
band went from bein on the edge of originality, to yet another commercial PRODUCT.
i was truly sad to see that one go down. Hed, too
Message 26/67 08-Oct-02 @ 02:16 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
-Craig
Message 27/67 08-Oct-02 @ 10:54 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
this was at their heyday here in OC...I used to see them play pretty much weekly, and as far as a perfect blend of aggression and funk..they had no rivals
then they got signed to JIVE...did the self titled album...and...it was pretty fuckin good still..somehow lost the energy from the indy release (the tracks that were on "HedPE" didnt seem to explode the way they did on "Church")
I lost track after that...started hearing them on KROQ and it just was...gone. SO sad
their MC was one of the best Ive ever heard
if you get a chance..listen to IFO on church of realities. Its on HED too, but...just not the same.
their drummer...TIGHT AS FUCK, too. really a damn good outfit all around
Message 28/67 09-Oct-02 @ 12:50 AM Edit: 09-Oct-02 | 12:53 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Like i said before, i know they've changed but I still like incubus. Just in a different way than before.
Message 29/67 09-Oct-02 @ 01:07 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
but yes...if they change their look or sound they are sellouts, no fucking two ways about it
changing your sound...well..thats one thing...people do evolve and develop new tastes and influences, I mean shiiit..>BEATLES?
but...aww come on man...are you going to start defending the music industry and the snatchemupchewmgoodtiltheflavorsgonethenspitemoutandforgetem way that it ALWAYS works?
PLEASE dont. I beg of you!
Message 30/67 09-Oct-02 @ 02:42 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 31/67 09-Oct-02 @ 02:48 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
takes both sides for it to work
thing is...incubus was DAMN GOOD before all this, and SCIENCE sold pretty fuckin well, with no compromise whatsoever
it comes down to people just wanting way too fucking much, and then letting someone sell them this 'dream' where they can HAVE IT, but it rarely works out anyway
its like the people here in SoCal...someone recently said to me "well, you cant comfortably live unless you make $80k a year"
?!?!?!?!?!
unless you get over the idea that you NEED all these fucking expensive things.
and thats what happens with bands. Instead of spending the money on a good record, and selling it and doing ok, they fall for the gluttony that is the modern world, and suddenly a $300k advance just doesnt look good enough anymore
as for the sellout thing aww who the fuck knows, ya know? Maybe incubus wanted to change. Im not bashing them cuz i have no idea. I just cant stand what theyre doing now. I can say that I see right through it, and at the center theres one thing lacking: the soul that was integral to the music on science and that crazy fungus album...
Message 32/67 09-Oct-02 @ 02:58 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Thats kinda another example. I guess if you go mainstream and follow the masses, your music circulates better. For example, I can find Make Yourself so easily but I can't find the fungus lp anywhere. Thats just another downside to the music business. The sellouts get alotta play but the nonsellouts are ignored and hard to find.
Message 34/67 09-Oct-02 @ 10:33 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 35/67 09-Oct-02 @ 11:03 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
ever seen an album called "Earthling"? Dunno if I'd call that selling out but its the same damn thing trying to jump on some fucking "new" thing...
heh. thats a whole nother argument...artists who really did some amazing shit in their time but REFUSE to let go...
aerosmith anyone?
Message 36/67 09-Oct-02 @ 11:22 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 37/67 09-Oct-02 @ 11:31 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 38/67 09-Oct-02 @ 11:52 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 39/67 09-Oct-02 @ 02:56 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 40/67 09-Oct-02 @ 03:40 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 41/67 09-Oct-02 @ 04:38 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 43/67 09-Oct-02 @ 05:04 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Madonna would have to come close. She's changed her look and sound a million times, but she's still "Madonna." And while she may be a pop whore, she alwyas was a pop whore so at least she's true to her image. I think most people would agree that she's done great things for pop music, whether they like her songs or not.
psylichon
Message 44/67 09-Oct-02 @ 05:07 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
maintained credibility in both music and
marketing for the whole of their career?
sure there are.
Message 45/67 09-Oct-02 @ 05:21 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Pink Floyd.
They gross MILLIONS on their tours.
And the new music is still top notch.
Division Bell was great... No DSOTM, but great.
Message 46/67 09-Oct-02 @ 08:26 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 48/67 09-Oct-02 @ 09:53 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Floyd, too....
very few others. cant even think of any
Message 50/67 10-Oct-02 @ 12:13 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 54/67 10-Oct-02 @ 10:27 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
U2 seem able to sound new and they do well live
Message 55/67 10-Oct-02 @ 11:28 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
dunno..the ray of light thing..I was kinda bummed...
altho really when you think about it a lot of madonna's old shit is electronic, too...so...
its a grey area, aint it
Message 56/67 10-Oct-02 @ 12:04 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 58/67 10-Oct-02 @ 11:33 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 59/67 10-Oct-02 @ 11:45 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
And even though the tracks are all Orbit, you also can't deny that they have a Madonna vibe. That is, even though she changed style she remained true to herself as far as singing and songwriting. I'm not a huge fan of Madonna's catalog, but I give her my utmost respect for being who she is and no one else.
Ozric Tentacles, too. They don't even fuck with the sound for 20+ years. :}
psylichon
Message 60/67 11-Oct-02 @ 10:29 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 61/67 11-Oct-02 @ 10:30 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 62/67 11-Oct-02 @ 10:51 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
That shit's all over the place now (boy, boy, boy, boy, oh-oh-oh-oh- boy! Hate that shit actually, really annoying. Kinda like Fatboy slim )
psylichon
Message 63/67 11-Oct-02 @ 10:54 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
i read an interview with him once regarding that track. allegedly, his engineer likes to fuck around with strings of sysex and make samplers do weird things. then of course they chuck it into protools (as if you couldnt guess )
Message 64/67 12-Oct-02 @ 01:03 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 65/67 12-Oct-02 @ 01:06 AM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
psylichon
Message 66/67 12-Oct-02 @ 02:15 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
Message 67/67 12-Oct-02 @ 10:37 PM - RE: Guitar Band Talk
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