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Original Message 1/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:39 PM - Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Screw politics, religion and other coffee house banter... Here's one to really get your feet muddy.
Would you sell a track to Britney, Christina N'Sync et al... ???
Come on kids, fess up. $50,000 for a 5 minute fluff number filled with "Philly Hits" and one note bass lines...
e
Message 3/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:42 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
I know no one will believe me, but I just don't agree with what theyre doing, and I would be a chump to help perpetuate that crap
Of course, I am not starving, not homeless, and dont have kids to support. If that ever happened I would hope that I could find some alternative, but if it came down to actual survival, well...damn that would be a tough one. Would I die for these ideals which are ultimately just a bit lofty?
Message 4/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:43 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but um, er... Techno is the new punk rock, and um... uh, we're not sell outs and... and
I bet this crowd's to old for this to work!
e
Message 5/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:46 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 6/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but um, er... Techno is the new punk rock, and um... uh, we're not sell outs and... and
I bet this crowd's to old for this to work!
e
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me too as in you WOULD?
Message 7/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:52 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 8/73 02-Oct-02 @ 08:53 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
in any of the crap I turn out
Message 9/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:00 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
and Ive heard the "put the money to good use"...but...oh hell I should probably give up
Message 10/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:19 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 11/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:28 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
I really don't see a problem. If i was some very good producer, then i might think twice about remixing any of them, but writing a song for them? any fookin day. I'm hardly gonna be a popstar myself and i can't sing, so if i can write a tune, what's a poor welsh boy to do?
Message 12/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:29 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
two letters.. B T
my girlfriend is so cool.. she is playing super Mario on color gameboy... and she just started to play ps2.. she is slowly turning into a geek like me ..yeah!
My friend works at Microsoft and i was chatting with him and he said
"somedays i feel as i should wear knee pads to work"
its all about money... and as of now i am broke... if i wanted to support myslef thru music and not do anything else then may be.. i really dont wanna be a part of pop industry But I would like to do music for video games or movies.. and the style of music i am doing is definreltey not gonna be on a movie or game that wold take a chance so no big movies or etc.
food is good
Message 13/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:42 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
That said, I don't know about actualy signing with a lable for my own work. See, I could divest myself of personal interest if I knew I was writing a crap commercial track! And then I'd have no problem. But if it was to pimp out my hard work, I'd have a different answer...
I'm personaly way more in to live performance than releasing records any way! But who knows???
e
Message 14/73 02-Oct-02 @ 09:48 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but..the thing is...if its something you disagree with, and then you do something that helps it move along...if you contribute, then youre contradicting yourself...
aww fuck I really dont know. Sometimes I think Im so fucking full of shit and living in some dream world
I hear that a lot from people
Message 15/73 02-Oct-02 @ 11:38 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 16/73 03-Oct-02 @ 12:24 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
what if you REALLY needed the money. Not just WANTED IT (which far too many people call 'need') but were hungry, no place to live..or were at least facing eviction, etc?
Message 17/73 03-Oct-02 @ 12:42 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
that's what I'm getting at. Not, will you starve for your art... but do you have a PRICE!???
e
Message 18/73 03-Oct-02 @ 01:15 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
what number?
me..I wouldnt do it. I dont want to be yet another whore. plenty of em out there
b-sides..this is all stupid. Aint no one gonna want my shit for a pop song, and I couldnt write one if I tried
Message 19/73 03-Oct-02 @ 04:21 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 20/73 03-Oct-02 @ 05:37 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
might be called a decent home studio/setup. and
now everytime i hear a pop/dance/cheese song on
the radio i'm tempted to throw one together and
make some of my money back...im definitely gonna
keep doing my own shit and push that...but if my
pop career takes off ill just deny everything i
said here
Message 21/73 03-Oct-02 @ 07:38 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
shit on that idea i say. Support you local indies peeps.
Message 22/73 03-Oct-02 @ 08:10 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Songwriters don't sign to a label and churn out tracks for a wage, popstars might.
You have a problem with major labels? Would you write a song for George Michael? What if Prince wanted to cover one of your songs? (if you don't see the relevance of those two, then go read)
Yes, major record labels have killed music, but that means you shouldn't write songs for popstars?
Message 23/73 03-Oct-02 @ 09:13 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
I'm a teenage mutant pop whore,
Come on grandad, one more time...
heh
Message 24/73 03-Oct-02 @ 09:45 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 25/73 03-Oct-02 @ 11:10 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 26/73 03-Oct-02 @ 04:11 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
There's your difference Influx. Why shouldn't you take the labels' money? They've taken enough of our in the past. If you ain't buying, you ain't supporting. But I'll be damned if I wouldn't take money from the sheep!!
Message 27/73 03-Oct-02 @ 04:31 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 28/73 03-Oct-02 @ 04:45 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Not having to do shit we don't want to for money is the hallmark perk of being a musician. It should make us happy not to be drones like everyone else. And if you're poor and starving and don't succeed, at least people will understand, "hey, they're a musician." :}
psylichon
Message 29/73 03-Oct-02 @ 06:44 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 30/73 03-Oct-02 @ 06:59 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
I wouldn't agree with that - if anything compression etc is MORE critical for radio/pop
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 31/73 03-Oct-02 @ 07:31 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
with compression settings.
Message 33/73 03-Oct-02 @ 10:07 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
actually this isnt true here in the US:
a)Bands get lured in by offers of HUGE (recoupable) advances, and,
b)almost never see ANY royalties due to creative accounting.
the record companies control the royaltie payments for the most part...
it really is a sham. no two ways about it
Message 35/73 03-Oct-02 @ 11:46 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
But anyways.. in the old days the publisher paid to gett he songs recorded so that a deal could be obtained.... that was always what they did because after all without a listenable product they had nothing to sell. And they are supposed to go out and get a deal too.
Then you get the doubledeals, where the publishing is a condition of the record deal and the company owns it all, both rights.
you can form your own company and collect the royalties, or sub-licence the publishing to a large publisher...
I think there is two types of pop production - the one where the track is constructed round a song probably written by a guitarist or at a keyboard... a self contained song, and that's mor elike a constrction process to me cos the production really doesnt do that much to the product most times.
Then you got the more organic pop song whoich grows out of a collaboration between writer and producer so it might have more character.
there's alot of work in both technique and arrangements to get contemporary pop/rnb BV's for example, half of it is in the recording processing mix techniques and the rest is the ability to arrange layered vocals interestingly.
The overall effect on some of the better commercial pop is quite lush tho... I mean, mebbe if you look at it like a job, with emotional detatchment to some extent (in the right areas) then it can be fun, anyways it's not as easy as people think... you gotta compliment the basic song and at the same time get a unique sound, and work to get the best out of the singer/s etc.
Message 40/73 13-Oct-02 @ 08:30 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 41/73 13-Oct-02 @ 03:37 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 42/73 13-Oct-02 @ 07:09 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 43/73 13-Oct-02 @ 11:20 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 44/73 14-Oct-02 @ 12:56 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 46/73 29-Oct-02 @ 05:47 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Dave Clarke feat. Kylie Minogue
watch for it!
Message 47/73 29-Oct-02 @ 10:33 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
But seriously, 50k worth of gear is alot of gear. you could buy things like...the tb 303 that has a devilfishmod 2.1 on it that is selling on ebay right now for starting price 2200! oh the extravagence!
for real cash though???
one of my e-music profs does the music for the amazing race, and some other random tv shows and commercials. he is well off and all and all he does is music, but he COULD RETIRE right now at age 28 based on his projected royalties alone. he gets several hundred bucks everytime they play one of his commercials, which air on 5-10 of the various superflous cable networks, like Food TV and that kind of crap.
if you can make trite jingles, theres money for you!
Message 48/73 30-Oct-02 @ 04:52 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
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Message 49/73 30-Oct-02 @ 10:00 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 50/73 30-Oct-02 @ 11:35 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
nope
and..mind if I ask why you need a $2000 chair? And mind if I ask why you think that is some sort of validation?
Message 51/73 31-Oct-02 @ 01:55 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 52/73 31-Oct-02 @ 02:17 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but its the $2000 chair that gets me. So incredibly unnecessary yet people think they need this sort of shit...
its a vicious cycle. spend more, need more, spend more...and it just keeps goin on and on and on
Message 53/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:40 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
I'm sure nearly everything I spend money on looks like mindless self-indulgence to someone in the third world who's watching his family starve to death...
Message 54/73 31-Oct-02 @ 10:00 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but...gluttony is not relative. it is clearly evident when present, no?
Message 56/73 31-Oct-02 @ 07:46 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 57/73 31-Oct-02 @ 08:06 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
And to a family that is concerned about where food is coming from tomorrow, the free time we have to post conjecture about them is obscene!! But we do have it, it's a luxury and we should be thankful for it! But it is relative. The $2000 chair in and of itself is just a chair. If you've sold your ideals, and notions of right and wrong! Acted out of character for the sake of a $2000 chair... well i'd call that gluttony. If yuo act out of character for a head of lettuce to feed your children, I'd call it necessity!
Is the $2000 chair gluttonous at Bill Gates' house? Not really... He is obscenely wealthy, but he also see's his wealth as a responsibilty! His Gates Foundation Doles out a billion dollars a year! Now, he still lives quite comfortably, and perhaps he simply has a case of Noblesse Oblige... but if he were on equal financial footing with the rest of us, where do you suppose that Billion dollars would otherwise be going?
e
Message 58/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:04 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 59/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:16 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
we're definitely spoiled here, but not everything that is above the "bare necessities" is gluttony
best to look up the definition first. and yes, it is clearly visible when observed
Message 60/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:52 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
glut·ton·y
Excess in eating or drinking.
So yes, I guess there is an easily defined threshold of gluttony, which is that which goes beyond what is necessary to maintain your health.
I think most Americans, even the thin healthy ones, probably do this on a regular basis. People are out of touch with their bodies' needs.
psylichon
Message 61/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:56 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but hell...I should quit setting myself up as hypocrite of the month
Message 62/73 31-Oct-02 @ 09:58 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
but if yer gonna be literal, gluttony is only about eating. I guess there's another word for what we're talking about here. Materialism?
psylichon
Message 63/73 31-Oct-02 @ 10:38 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 64/73 31-Oct-02 @ 10:39 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
cos i need a man!
and to me you must be true!
Message 65/73 31-Oct-02 @ 11:23 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Are there any tall skinny Americans that aren't on speed?
Hypocrites are us...
I'm your man.... baby!
e
Message 66/73 01-Nov-02 @ 02:53 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 67/73 01-Nov-02 @ 03:28 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
there's got to be some kind of award for people like me..
Message 68/73 01-Nov-02 @ 09:48 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 69/73 01-Nov-02 @ 10:26 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Bloody luxury.. in my day we had to sit on 't sharp end of srewdriver and record onto a wax cylinder!
Message 70/73 02-Nov-02 @ 01:54 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 71/73 02-Nov-02 @ 02:04 AM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
Message 72/73 02-Nov-02 @ 03:11 PM - RE: Would YOU sell a track to POP?
besides, i have a great series of scans of waffle-buttitis!
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