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Original Message 1/37 14-Oct-02 @ 03:10 PM - enlightenment?
So this year I registered Libertarian, after voting for Nader last year. I'm not anti-big business, but I am anti-big business with its forays into politics. I also don't think zero state income tax is going to work either. So perhaps libertarian is not where it's at.
Soooo, my research came up with the green party. And this bit of information I found particularly interesting...
http://www.therealdifference.com/difference2.html
Perhaps I am Green, then? Jill Stein (candidate for governor in Taxachusetts) is on target, I think.
So for the other Americans around here, is there anyone willing to answer the questions "who are you voting for" and "why"?
Message 2/37 14-Oct-02 @ 04:19 PM - RE: enlightenment?
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 3/37 14-Oct-02 @ 04:41 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 4/37 14-Oct-02 @ 05:52 PM - RE: enlightenment?
I'm GREEN if I'm anything, Def. But I register independent. And I'd vote "none of the above" in most cases if the cowards would let me. But there's nothing in the constitution that allows for anarchy!
e
Message 5/37 14-Oct-02 @ 06:09 PM - RE: enlightenment?
do not ask what you can do for your country,
but what your country can do you for!
Message 7/37 14-Oct-02 @ 09:15 PM - RE: enlightenment?
children?
anyway...I vote green or libertarian, depending
green party is a bit too feminist sometimes, but libertarians lean too much toward the whole laissez faire thing...and I think business ought to be regulated (free market has caused WAY too many problems)
Message 8/37 14-Oct-02 @ 11:52 PM - RE: enlightenment?
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 9/37 14-Oct-02 @ 11:54 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Not a joke at all.
e
Message 10/37 15-Oct-02 @ 01:11 AM - RE: enlightenment?
Any other Americans? Important stuff here...
Message 11/37 15-Oct-02 @ 02:24 AM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 12/37 15-Oct-02 @ 09:03 AM - RE: enlightenment?
OK I normally vote apathy - they are all the same wanting to hold the conch, professional politicians come in second oldest behind the pro's. MY PROBLEM is morality. These guys are our moral leaders yet they are deffinately the least morally strong, eg - they have a belief - perhaps it started their pilgrimage. So the fire is there, the choice of party may be open but probably (like faith) they move to tune of their upbringing AND (probably) toward parties already with power. What they do there? bend, bend their belief to the party line, loosing their moral position at the first vote, becomeing sheep to the whips.
Professional politician, relative advantage can be achieved (possibly more so) by reducing the competition than building the self.
I know I have to begin to understand that my 1 vote is exactly the same as everyone elses and makes a difference but still I think that they are corrupt, using increasingly eficient levers to manipulate toward... - that's where it gets too big for me to think about.
arrrgh can't do nothing must do something, for just 1 teeny vote. Research your vote when everything is spin, liars gambol in the fields, a system builds to divert us and replace bastions of honour
A BIG ONE. Bread and circuses, we have the most advanced circus development ever hedonism technologyvaleys full of it, enticing women queueing to fill it, - forgive me for saying but all of this is a diversion - not dfrom any 'true wayTM' but the difference between what you do in 1 night depending on weather you have a TV or not. The opporunities for tech entertainment to take the energy right out of you is HUGE man, - where is the social in that. Divide and rule, "Oh yeah JIm and I like to spend the evening together in front of the TV...Kids, no time really what with Jims job and my cats"
No 'true way, no true way, no true way" I am corrupt
Message 13/37 15-Oct-02 @ 09:50 AM - RE: enlightenment?
because the fact of the matter is...I DONT!
vote green, libertarian, anarchist...WHATEVER, and its not going to matter...because no matter how RIGHT any of em might be...no matter how fucking good the change they might bring to the country...theyll never get or STAY in office
errata...sorry..guess I misread. That sniper thing is a trip. At first...and yeah Im a bit sick...at first I was thinking "hmmm, maybe this person has an inside line on these people he is killing? Maybe they deserve it?"
but then...look at em. Kids? Old ladies? Old men mowing the lawn?
hard to comprehend
anyway..the voting thing..Ive done it the last few years just so I could say I did. I still dont fucking believe in it. Yet another smoke screen to keep us all feeling like we have any say
MONEY RUNS THIS COUNTRY. Always has, probably always will
Message 14/37 15-Oct-02 @ 01:05 PM - RE: enlightenment?
not that i'm in favour of anything in particular, but ^ is probably a good thing where jim bob et al. are concerned.
Message 15/37 15-Oct-02 @ 03:55 PM - RE: enlightenment?
to me voting only highlights how little control we have. democracy is a noble idea, and it's been reduced to mean "walk into a little booth and choose between two crooks (and a few other's predestined losers)". I vote for the losers anyway. usually green.
hey influx, what's "too feminist" about the greens? I'm not challenging you, just a question, like I'm wondering if some of their candidates have some kooky version of it.
word to Def Z.
Message 16/37 15-Oct-02 @ 05:25 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 17/37 15-Oct-02 @ 06:00 PM - RE: enlightenment?
I vote green because I vote my conscious! It's this pro football culture that has F*cked up democracy with this notion that you should only vote for a guy if he can WIN!!! Sad... The lesser of two evils will still screw up the system, your life and the lives of others.
e
Message 18/37 15-Oct-02 @ 08:50 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 19/37 15-Oct-02 @ 09:40 PM - RE: enlightenment?
One thing that is exciting me this time is all 3 candidates running for Governer of New York have expressed interest in modifying the Rockefeller Drug Laws (20 year mandatory minimums for certain possession charges). One wants the repealed outright.
We have an even worse situation in Buffalo city government. The mayor has run unopposed since '94, and most of the council seats have been occupied by the same asses for 10 years or more, some as far back as 30 years. Did I mention Buffalo is almost bankrupt? Or that the population has dropped by about 300,000 people in the last 20 years? Or that there's no jobs? Or that we have some of the highest tax rates in the country here?
What floors me is, THESE PEOPLE GET RE-ELECTED!!!
Thank God I live in the 'burbs
-Craig
Message 20/37 15-Oct-02 @ 10:15 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 21/37 15-Oct-02 @ 10:21 PM - RE: enlightenment?
no, nothing kooky. I just dont buy into half the shit. writing MORE laws to impose "balance"? Hell some of them might even use words like womyn and grrl...
sorry. turnoff
Message 22/37 15-Oct-02 @ 10:58 PM - RE: enlightenment?
issues candidate stands for
character of candidate
political party of candidate
subscribing to a political party doesn't appeal to me (its the last thing i consider) but i am registered republican.
jamey
Message 23/37 15-Oct-02 @ 10:59 PM - RE: enlightenment?
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Message 25/37 16-Oct-02 @ 01:45 AM - RE: enlightenment?
You can't please all the people all the time, but you can do your best. The green party certainly doesn't represent me perfectly, but they are a lot closer to my views than any other.
Message 27/37 16-Oct-02 @ 09:34 AM - RE: enlightenment?
Second point is that we can never have coherency beyond the length of the term, no strategy longer then say 5 years. So only the first 4 years do anything (probably less) since new laws take years to get through and the last year is appeasement to catch voters. With countries with mid term elections the problems are worse. What is the right answer. Sorry but I think issue specific bodies which governments are answerable to at least allow for long term strategy - BUT current gov isn't going to give up power so they would be toothless - see Kyoto and many of the other treaties seem to be only fodder for compromise
answers. Change follows stimulus, if evolutionary principles can be applied to day to day change (if we ever change) then punctuated equilibrium decrees that only significant stress can effect change. Perhaps anarchy could be a fair play (is it moral to kill a monster - Theodore Sturgeon).
Question for the pampered bored. Do we actually want change?, Do we have any idea how frail our lives and lifestyle are, how much it costs (others) and what sort of sacrifice would be involved. "Hey, like it's terrible but now they want me to stop commuting with the SUV"
Message 28/37 16-Oct-02 @ 10:09 PM - RE: enlightenment?
thing is...the place where things really need to change is at the ultra-wealthy level. THEY are the ones with the acute case of gluttony
Message 29/37 16-Oct-02 @ 11:31 PM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 30/37 17-Oct-02 @ 09:10 AM - RE: enlightenment?
Whats that German word where you wish bad things to other people as a way of making yourselves feel better..?
"You can't handle the truth" (if that's the quote|-|)
Message 32/37 17-Oct-02 @ 10:07 AM - RE: enlightenment?
Message 33/37 17-Oct-02 @ 11:28 AM Edit: 17-Oct-02 | 11:29 AM - RE: enlightenment?
i´ve heard phrases in some other languages which mean this, but i know of no other -words- used to describe this so nicely
oh btw cheddar, was it you who sent me an email some time ago?
Message 34/37 17-Oct-02 @ 11:32 AM - RE: enlightenment?
you were sorry about something that was funny cos you thought / wanted? a thing which you thought wasn't true but I think it is. Mystery guest star
Message 35/37 17-Oct-02 @ 11:41 AM - RE: enlightenment?
thats an awfull lot of yellow liquid in a single sentence!
Message 37/37 17-Oct-02 @ 08:37 PM - RE: enlightenment?
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