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Original Message 1/11 15-Oct-02 @ 03:22 PM - arp\midi problem

bster

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why do the arpeggios sound different when arp patterns are sent to midi\not sent to midi in the arp menu.they always sound better when not sent to midi but i want the individul notes so that i can deconstruct the arp patterns so i can learn how they work.

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Message 2/11 15-Oct-02 @ 04:34 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

milan

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lol! because you are making a midi loop and notes are playing double. turn local off, then turn midi on.

and RTFM for gods sake!

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Message 3/11 15-Oct-02 @ 04:46 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

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it's not that easy milan... check it:

You sequence a series of chords which the Nova then arpeggiates. You want to record the actual notes of the arpeggiation, but if you simply set it up to sequence the MIDI output of the Nova, you're going to get those original chords passing through the nova from the sequencer in addition to the arp notes. Turning local control off won't help because the notes are being generated in the sequencer, not the synth (we are talking the nova here, right?)

We figured out the solution a while ago, but I can't remember it right now and I don't record my arps that way anymore. If Novation had made an "output arp notes to MIDI channel #X" then the problem could be solved easily. I'm off to search.

psylichon

and milan, it's not in the manual this time. :}

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Message 4/11 15-Oct-02 @ 06:36 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

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nope, not in the manual! but if you just put up with the bad sound during recording the playback is fine! Just remember, once you've recorded the arpegiation, turn off the arpeggiator. and quantize the notes if the wierd timing screwed you up.

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Message 5/11 15-Oct-02 @ 08:25 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

bster

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yeah i'm using original SNova, about the midi loop i didnt think this would happen if i am arping held notes, i know the original non arp notes appear (which i delete leaving the arped pattern)but... no i give up 'i've had my supernova since 1998' and i still cant get around it.. bollox!

hope someone remembers the solution.
cheers

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Message 6/11 15-Oct-02 @ 08:37 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

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not sure I understand the problem. If the arp'ed notes are recorded into the sequencer, and the arp is then turned OFF, then you should get a clear version of the original ARP!

Have I got it wrong?

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Message 7/11 16-Oct-02 @ 02:15 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

bster

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errata- yes i turn off the arp so i've got the pattern going without the supernovas arp on, but the pattern does not sound the same if you listen to the same arp pattern and program with send to midi (in the arp menu) switched off. get me?

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Message 8/11 16-Oct-02 @ 06:06 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

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some (not so) obvious stuff...

are you recording the arp on the same channel that you're triggering it from? We have a Nova in the studio and I don't have the problem, so it's not likely to be the arp. How different does it sound? and Are you quantizing the arpegiation? some arps start on the syncopation, ie: between the beats, if you quantize to quarter or whole notes the arp will slide back or forward to the beat...

???

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Message 9/11 17-Oct-02 @ 08:41 AM - RE: arp\midi problem

bster

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yeah i am recording onto the same midi channel that its triggered from. How do you send on midi channel x and record onto midi channel y in cubase then?

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Message 10/11 03-Nov-02 @ 10:32 AM - RE: arp\midi problem

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in the arp menu you have three choices:

arp
midi
arp and midi

arp equals: hold a note down, get said arpggio
midi equals: hold a note down, the nova sends its arp to your seq
arp and midi equals: both of the above

write your own appegios! they end up being better.

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Message 11/11 09-Nov-02 @ 06:16 PM - RE: arp\midi problem

Cobalt Blue

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heres how to do it
say for argument you have midi channel 1 as
the channel you wish to use.

turn arp on just triggering the program
record you notes/chord or whatever as normal
so that as your seqencer loops round it plays
your arp all in time every time.

now create another midi track also on midi
channel 1 ,select this track but click off the
record button that is for that track only (in logic
it is a red r ) set arp to prog and midi and hit
your master record button and it records
without re triggering the same notes.

stop and there it is, arps do sound slightley
different as iam sure an arp being triggered
each bar or bars is slightley out when
compared to one droped into a seq then
quantised, i think some also have very subtle
grooves which get destroyed in a strict
quantise.
Peace
Malk.
and here is a nice hoover to llok at

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