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Subject: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
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Original Message 1/28 05-Nov-02 @ 11:42 PM Edit: 05-Nov-02 | 11:46 PM - bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
I have been getting frustrated with not being able to run soft synths, especially as xoxos is creating so many damned programs that look quite tasty. I tried running xoxos' Kerei (must thank you again for sending me that prog mate!), ES2, ES1 and Absynth but they all start sounding horribly distorted after 10 minutes of use. Even after I restart, delete the page-file, re-install, etc, etc.
So, any ideas???
FYI, here's my setup:
Gigabyte GA-7DXR running:
AMD761 Chipset;
AMD T-Bird 1.4Ghz;
512MB Generic DDR RAM;
40GB Fujitsu MPG3409AH ATA100;
40GB IBM Deskstar ATA100;
MT4 MIDI I/F;
Audiowerk8 MIDI I/F;
Matrox G550 Graphics;
Win2K;
Logic 5.3 (upgrade from 4.0)
Regards.
Steve.
Message 2/28 06-Nov-02 @ 11:48 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
The rest of your build looks fine..
Marc_D
Message 3/28 06-Nov-02 @ 12:24 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Thanks again!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 4/28 06-Nov-02 @ 02:09 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Mebbe the card is just knackered plain and simple?? Sometimes the simplest fault is often the real one.. :-( Doesn't help you none, I know that...
Message 5/28 06-Nov-02 @ 06:12 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 6/28 06-Nov-02 @ 06:35 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
I wish I could help. youre sure you have the newest drivers for the soundcard, etc?
and what about the motherboard? newest drivers?
I know I know, fat lot of help I am!
Message 7/28 06-Nov-02 @ 10:24 PM Edit: 06-Nov-02 | 10:26 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Oh well. I am forced into using Hardware. Some wouldn't complain. Maybe I should just shut up. But damn! Some of these softs look soooo nice!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 8/28 07-Nov-02 @ 09:35 AM Edit: 07-Nov-02 | 09:35 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
That'd be a mighty shame for you to have to forego the softsynths man.. I guess the last option is to try YOUR card and the Delta 1010 in another machine? And try a few other things like swapping the memory, gfx card etc.. At least then you might be able to determing more conclusively that where the fault is.. then mebbe you'll be in a position to decide whether a new box/fix/return etc. is an option if you wanna use the Software option..
Message 9/28 07-Nov-02 @ 10:16 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
psylichon
PS- thought #2- I've had time-based weirdness problems before, and they were all related to worn-out hardware: an overheated CPU, a failing power supply, and an overheated video card, in that order (so I've gotten quite good at recognizing these kinds of problems, unfortunately!) I know it's a pain in the ass to narrow it down. What you need is a supergeek. They have all sorts of parts to swap in and out of your system to narrow it down. If you don't have access to a SG, yer gonna have to plunk down some change to have it professionally analyzed for bad parts. That's if you wanna narrow it down to your drivers, which is probably what it comes down to. And since this 'PS' was longer than my post, I'll sign my name again:
psylichon
Message 10/28 07-Nov-02 @ 10:49 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
A while back I was getting something similar to you, except that I was using Cubase. After a few minutes, the audio would just distort, and I had to close Cubase and re-open it. I found that if I had the GUI's of the soft synths closed down, it didn't happen. Even now, if I've got Battery open (the GUI part of it - I can still use it as an instrument) I get a few pops and clicks, but when it's hidden, I get none!
I never really fixed the problem cos I got a new motherboard and soundcard, so the problems kind of went away.
Maybe give this a shot?
Message 11/28 07-Nov-02 @ 11:25 AM Edit: 07-Nov-02 | 11:26 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
I have narrowed it down to just the oscillators of the softsynths. All of the effects on the synths (filters, delays, chorus, etc) work absolutely fine. It is purely the signal generators of the synths. So if we can find someone who knows exactly what happens when a soft synth oscillator is run, then we should be able to seriously narrow the problem down to a few bits and pieces.
Basically, I have cancelled out every device in my machine, save the CPU, RAM and, god forbid, the Motherboard. I know for a fact that everything else is definitely not the cause.
The strange thing is that my system does not have ANY problems WHATSOEVER other than this! I no longer even get Logics overload or MIDI timing errors.
And, Si, the distortion happens no matter what. I have tried your suggestion.
Anyhow, thanks for all of your help!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 12/28 07-Nov-02 @ 02:27 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Another thing (if you haven't done it yet): try to put your sound card into an another slot.
hope your problem will be solved soon...
/R
Message 13/28 07-Nov-02 @ 05:28 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Message 14/28 10-Nov-02 @ 07:20 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
i second the idea of stripping the system back to the video and audio device. Also software. A bad cracked plug-in can cause a system to malfuntion. Don't know if you have any bug ladden plugs in there, or have installed any media software after the logic install that could have currupted it, like a directx update or windows media player codecs. Get back to just the audio card, and video card. swap the ram with a freinds and see if stops, if it is working, start adding hardware and running the app again. this could take a weekend or two but you can get to the bottom of it one program and pci slot at a time. The hardware is so much easier to debug then a software conflict.
There are also things in windows 2k that can cause issues. like networking services etc.
Message 15/28 11-Nov-02 @ 03:26 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Anyhow, I'll see what I can come up with.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 16/28 11-Nov-02 @ 05:04 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
hope you sort it out.
Message 17/28 11-Nov-02 @ 07:09 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 18/28 12-Nov-02 @ 09:25 AM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Message 19/28 13-Jul-03 @ 12:07 PM Edit: 13-Jul-03 | 12:09 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Software synthesis... Steve has arrived! I'm actually quite excited about this [rubs his hands together and grins].
Cheers to all who helped on this very long and drawn out problem!
Regards.
Steve.
Message 21/28 13-Jul-03 @ 01:32 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
congratulations. what a bummer though eh? wouldn't happen on a mac would it? pfff
Message 22/28 14-Jul-03 @ 05:44 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
"don't use via chipsets for music, use amd ones" *cough*
or was it an Nvidia chipset?
Message 24/28 14-Jul-03 @ 08:40 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Message 25/28 15-Jul-03 @ 02:30 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Message 26/28 15-Jul-03 @ 03:25 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
??
Message 28/28 15-Jul-03 @ 04:35 PM - RE: bin tryin' softs again to no avail!
Regards.
Steve.
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