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Original Message 1/26 12-Nov-02 @ 02:07 AM - WSFT and other rants

BJT

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I know we occasionally get the stray come in and ask "What Synth For Trance" but I have a story....

Walked past this music shop the other day and remembered how they f*cked me over years ago, I went in to buy an midi converter for my PC. Trusting the guy I bought an Opcode one, on the way out one of the younger sales guys said "Yeah but is he using Win98 or Win95", the senior guy responded with "His using Windows 95" and gave him a shutup look. It costed me a bit of dough and then 6 months later guess what, I upgraded to Win98 and found that Opcode weren't writing drivers for Win98. In short I was suckered and I was angry and hurt and felt disenchanted till I found this site.

Anyway point being a little advice early on can save some kids alot of hard earned dough.

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Message 2/26 12-Nov-02 @ 05:53 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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Nice point, I've always been into DT for the community. But it's very useful to have a place to ask hard questions and get good answers. Sometimes a hard question for a new guy is easy for the rest, that's all.

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Message 3/26 12-Nov-02 @ 07:45 AM Edit: 12-Nov-02 | 07:47 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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Someone just needs to accept the responsibility to cut and paste a standard response for "newbie" questions. This response should include gentle language to explain why no one is answering the question and to direct the person to the answer without harsh language. We can't turn people away just because they're asking beginner questions. We may not want to help, but it's pretty easy to post up some links for some killer beginner sites. We know the ones by now.

Too many times I see people giving shit just because a question has been answered before. People don't always do a search when they come to a new forum. Welcome to the internet. Those people aren't assholes, sometimes they're 55-year-old fathers trying to get their kid's Casio talking to his copy of "Rock Along with Aerosmith." Just try to think of your dad trying to get his head around a soft-synth host and you'll see what I mean. Be considerate is all I'm saying...

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Message 4/26 12-Nov-02 @ 11:49 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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a music store guy sold me an opcode at that time too. cost me $100 at the end of 98.. i've spent around $7k at that store and the bastard still doesn't consider me expensive enough to give service too.. i called and asked him to look something up for me once and he told me he couldn't look anything up because he was on the way to the eye clinic for eye surgery right then from looking things up.

but that's how we learn how shitty, corrupt and evil humans really are so it's good. well it would be if people didn't decide to be shitty, corrupt and evil too when they discover thsi.

btw a friend of mine (really!) uses that opcode now, with w98.. it works, but the driver have to be reinstalled if you mess with the system at all/look at it sideways

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Message 5/26 12-Nov-02 @ 02:33 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

BJT

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Yep music store guys - I mostly hate them.

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Message 6/26 12-Nov-02 @ 03:36 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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I've worked in a couple of music shops years ago mainly as a way of getting cheaper gear most of the staff get paid crap and you'd be surprised how many complete and utter arseholes you have to contend with on a daily basis so I have some sympathy with the staff having been on the other side.

9.15 am Saturday morning(me with bad hangover)

Customer appears at counter
"I want a scratchplate screw for a 1962 strat"

"Here you are that will be two new pence please"

"Hold on let me look at it are you sure this is a genuine 1962 screw?"

"Forgive me I have erred that is in fact a 1958 screw hold on and I'll pop downstairs and dig out a genuine 1962 screw for you"

2 mins later
"Here you are"(exact same screw in hand)

"Could I have 3 more?"

(supressing a sigh)"Certainly"

2mins later
"Here you go that'll be 8 pence please"

"Those ones look different"

"I assure you that they're exactly the same"

"Are you sure?"

"As sure as I can be without actually having manufactured them myself"

"Are you trying to be funny?"

"No I'm trying to sell you 8 pence worth of screws"

"I want to speak to the manager"

"I am the manager what do you want to speak to me about"

"I want to speak to the owner"

"He's not here"

"This isn't the end of this you know!"
Storms off in a filthy mood.

I actually had this conversation with a customer this same guy later wrote to Guitarist magazine and castigated the staff of the shop all over 8 fucking pence.I found it very difficult at the time not to leap over the counter and beat him to death with a bass guitar.These sorts of incidents happen fairly frequently when working in music shops(in my own experience of course).

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Message 7/26 12-Nov-02 @ 05:59 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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Yeah, well.. I've seen too many people pimping Danelectro guitars at GC to kids who don't know better because the margin is good on 'em..

Music store people = used car salesmen. For the most part. And most of 'em wouldn't know their asses from their elbows.

-Craig

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Message 8/26 12-Nov-02 @ 06:06 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

milan

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yeah, hehe... i always phone and ask for the manager of studio department at the store where i shop, because i know he knows his shit unlike two morons at the counter who act totaly disinterested when you come with a question. i actually wrote to him recently asking if i could work for him stating that i was very satisfied with his services in the past as a customer and would help improve his team

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Message 9/26 12-Nov-02 @ 06:39 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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Oh ho... I have educated many a music store employee. Some know what they're on about but most do NOT!

Once I was buying an EFX processor at guitar center and I had to hook it up to the synth to try it out. The guy in Keyboard/pro audio didn't know how to run the audio to a processor. Just an example.

And guys, it's your own fault if a music shop takes advantage of you. Never rely on the advice of the person who stands to make a profit from you... do your own research on gear!

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Message 10/26 12-Nov-02 @ 06:41 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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lol@pict

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Message 11/26 12-Nov-02 @ 08:17 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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that's what's wrong with business today, is that my employer doesn't let me kill customers. at least in a music store they're not cybernetically connected to your head every 20 seconds.

shit if we had a cultural tradition of frank behaviour regardless, it would be tight.

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Message 12/26 12-Nov-02 @ 08:28 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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xoxo's as your attorney I advise you to get A NEW F*CKING JOB!!!!

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Message 13/26 12-Nov-02 @ 08:36 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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hahahah, no shit!

psy

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Message 14/26 12-Nov-02 @ 11:01 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

xoxos

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well that's what they want too. what do you think i'm gonna do tho - produce music for engineered people to have weekends to like you?

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Message 15/26 12-Nov-02 @ 11:10 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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go work at radio shack ;)

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Message 16/26 12-Nov-02 @ 11:24 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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jeez pict. really? what an ASSHOLE

well...dunno...Ive not been shafted at my guitar center cuz I was introduced to the dept manager by a group of people who spend a LOT of money there

and then I spent my own share. but the guy who I was hooked with LEFT, and suddenly Im an asshole again...I go in and they try to sell me shit for retail, then say "well, I can do 10% off that"

off then. sorry but no thanks.

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Message 17/26 13-Nov-02 @ 01:42 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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That's nothing this guy comes into the shop after I've been working there for 2 weeks with an alesis drum machine and says he wants a refund I ask him for the receipt which he didn't have so I said that I couldn't give him the refund without authorisation from the boss.Instantly the guy became irate with expletives like "motherfucker" "rip off cunt" etc. so I say "hold on and I'll get the boss" the boss comes over and tells him that he can only get a refund if it's broken which it wasn't.The guy then said"I'll be back tomorrow and I want a fucking refund!"and then storms out of the shop leaving the drum machine behind.

The next day the guy comes back in and demands a refund again I go and get the boss the guy is getting twitchy in the face and then the boss informs him that nothing is wrong with the machine therefore no refund.The guy gets really loud some other customers are looking around nervously as he swears loudly at the boss demanding a refund,the boss is starting to shit himself so he grabs the phone and calls the cops and explains that he has an obnoxious,belligerent man in his shop frightening the customers and would they please come immediately and take the guy away.

Next to the 2 plate glass counters is a basket with guitar and bass necks for kit building the guy grabs a precision bass neck and blooter! smashes plate glass counter number1 then fuckye! smashes in plate glass counter number 2.

Next he turns his frenzied attention onto the acoustic guitar rack and proceeds to smash every single acoustic into matchwood he then marches into the amp section and starts to blast away at the electric guitars on the wall.Then it's the Pete Townshend impersonation on the nice ampeg bass stack before heading to the bottom of the shop(one entrance and no fire escape).In the bottom of the shop are expensive custom guitars and a huddled group of extremely frightened customers some of whom are crying in fear.

The guy then returns to what's left of the counters and waits patiently for the cops to arrive which they duly do and they take him away leaving us to clean up the wreckage.Half an hour later the phone rings I answer it it is the guy who has just been released by the cops and he says he is coming in tomorrow to get his refund and if he doesn't get it he's going to do it all again.The boss phones the cops but they say they can't do anything until an actual crime has been committed.

The next day the new windows are being put in and we're tallying the damage up for the insurance claim the guy appears the boss gives him the refund in cash but first makes him sign a receipt for it in which it is stated that he is getting the refund even though there is nothing wrong with the goods.When the guy left with his money and had signed the receipt the boss took the receipt into his office and typed into a space he had left "I admit that this refund was extorted using the threat of extreme physical violence" just above where the guy had signed.

How's that for the customer's always right?

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Message 18/26 13-Nov-02 @ 01:52 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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my GOD!

why didnt you guys just jump him and kick his ass?
arent you allowed to protect property in england?

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Message 19/26 13-Nov-02 @ 03:13 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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You mean why didn't the boss jump on him and kick his ass?It was his shop.My wages didn't pay enough to warrant being a maniac subduer you couldn't get close to the guy he was doing a helicopter impression flailing a precision neck around his general area at very high speed it was all over in minutes and he made no attempt to escape.I thought why not let the cops take the chance of getting clubbed with what was left of the bass neck?

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Message 20/26 13-Nov-02 @ 04:23 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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yeah, and fat ing lot of good that did, eh?

youre right tho. why risk personal injury over someone elses property

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Message 21/26 13-Nov-02 @ 04:45 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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insurance pays... sometimes well ;)

my boss always told me if a client doesn't pay and I have to hold on to the masters, just lock myself in a room somewhere and let the asshole go to town on the gear and whatever he wants. It actually happened to me once too. No damage in that case, but I had to lock myself and the masters up because someone wouldn't pay. They eventually gave up yelling through the door and just left, but people can be completely stupid and unreasonable. Some of my clients carry guns, so you don't wanna fuck around.

psylichon

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Message 22/26 13-Nov-02 @ 09:07 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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i don't get the "can't do anything until an actual crime has been committed" bit.

criminal damage anyone?

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Message 23/26 13-Nov-02 @ 11:46 AM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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well you must have enjoyed watching that

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Message 24/26 13-Nov-02 @ 08:01 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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"Someone just needs to accept the responsibility to cut and paste a standard response for "newbie" questions"

FAQ anyone ? as in Foacking Annoying Questions:

"Can someone direct me to a website where there will be lots of usefull tips on music production ? thank you"

You're looking at IT, duh !!!!!! (laugh all you want, it's been asked)

another clear case of the trees hiding the forest.

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Message 25/26 13-Nov-02 @ 08:27 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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"FAQ anyone ?"

THAT's the word I was looking for...

psy

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Message 26/26 13-Nov-02 @ 08:51 PM - RE: WSFT and other rants

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Xoxos it was a highly memorable spectacle and there's nothing like being close to a frenzied,destructive,individual for clearing the mind of non essential thoughts.

The cops merely offer a false sense of security to the average citizen 95% of the time they arrive after the event and their clear up rate is abysmal in Denmark 97% of all housebreakings are never solved for example.Cops are generally very good at ordering people around though and setting speed traps.

Back on topic,I don't mind newbies asking questions but when they make no effort whatsoever to avail themselves of the information that is already here by the simple act of using the search function that can be quite tedious.
Whenever I really want to know something I dig around the web or use the library but some people simply want it handed to them Matrix style zapped straight into the brain with no effort on their own part.

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