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Original Message 1/27 09-Jan-03 @ 02:20 PM - Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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im trying to get some decent sounds outta my drum machine but as of right now they all sound a bit too routine. i mean ive come up with one or two sounds that i like a lot but im finding it hard to be original and expressive with just a sampler and drum machine... ive read up a bit on the sherman fb and my question is would it be a good tool to input my drum machine into and tweek the hell outta the sounds or am i better off just buying a 100 dollar cd with a buncha different drum sounds on it?

-justin

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Message 2/27 09-Jan-03 @ 02:47 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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Ve creative with your samples. Mike yourself kicking a box. Or snapping your finger against a piece of paper. Or pressing a hot soldering iron against a wet sponge..

Samplers are only as good as the stuff you feed them

-Craig

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Message 3/27 09-Jan-03 @ 03:20 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

citizen_s

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" Or pressing a hot soldering iron against a wet sponge.. "

i have to admit... that is pretty original.

but its not what i was asking.

i need drums.. lots of drums. i need to tweek them and ruin them and kill them and stretch them. all that. im wondering if the sherman fb would be a good idea or maybe a hardware compressor (much cheaper than the fb) for making my drum machine a lil bit more crazy. cuz right now all, in so many words, the drum sounds are BORING. ya know? i need something to put an edge on the otherwise blase drums.

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Message 4/27 09-Jan-03 @ 06:12 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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i have a fb for sale if you are interested.

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Message 5/27 09-Jan-03 @ 07:56 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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We do go around about this quite a bit. The FB is a great analog tweaker... It gives a raw edgy sound that makes ANYTHING more interesting... But there's no magic pieace of gear that will give you the sound you want. You have the ability now with the sampler to "tweek them and ruin them and kill them and stretch them" . . .

What kinda sampler is it? Maybe I'm wrong but most have filters, and effects and tweaking and stetching abilities.

"I need more gear" is the mantra of those who've yet to learn how to program what they have. Now, "I want more gear", well... that's a whole other issue.

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Message 6/27 09-Jan-03 @ 11:14 PM Edit: 10-Jan-03 | 12:54 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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i also have a FB. its not for sale though

it _can_ make your drums more interesting, deffinitely. just bringing the signal thru it with not too much drive, makes drums more punchy and in your face, and when you start messing with filters and modulations god knows where you'll end up. on the other hand, its only mono, and its at its best when distortind stuff to hell and back, which you may or may not like. i also bought it to process my loops thru it (amongst other things), but have found other interesting ways of doing it with software in the meantime(which still doesnt make FB any less usefull). so, if you want to tweak your sounds in realtime, and you like distortion and gritt, then FB is good for you. on the other hand you may also get that sample CD first and see if that brings you anywhere before splashing out on a sherman.

regards, m.

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Message 7/27 10-Jan-03 @ 12:28 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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I'll second that on the sampler. which is it?

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Message 8/27 10-Jan-03 @ 03:26 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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oh im not saying i cant do a lot with the sampler... because i can.. its an 808 ex. its got a real nice fx processor on it and ive been using it a lot recently, but i dunno. i just thought maybe a fb would be the way to go to give me more options, thats why i was asking. theres just something missing from the fx processor on the sampler, though. maybe an external fx processor like an alesis would make a differnce and save me about 500 bucks??

thoughts??

-justin

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Message 9/27 10-Jan-03 @ 08:23 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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I have to confess I don't know much about the 808, but I'd assume it has filters? If it does, there's not going to be much you can't really do in the sampler. The FB will sound better, and let you overdrive the input and add distortion and whatnot, but I seldom find myself running my drums through my Filter Factory rather than using the filters in my Akai - except if I'm filtering a loop or something like that where I'm using envelope follow or something.

The easy answer is the filterbank isn't going to give you instant new possibilities. You'll either have to buy new samples or create your own. Be creative like I said before.. Then pitch things up or down. Timestretch them. Chop out a few cycles of a waveform and loop it, then use the filters in your sampler to make it drum-like. Add noise. Use Stomper to make up new samples. Get lots of stuff from the junkyard and sample yourself destroying it

-Craig

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Message 10/27 10-Jan-03 @ 11:29 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

citizen_s

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lol

ok craig. fair enuf. now heres another question for you... should i use a kick drum mic to record junkyard bashing?? :p

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Message 11/27 11-Jan-03 @ 02:39 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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Message 12/27 11-Jan-03 @ 04:54 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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...and yes the 808 has filters. on the master filter i have low boost, cutoff and resonance. pretty basic im guessing. and on the isolator i have low, mid and high. thats it.

ive been fiddling with these the last few days and have been able to do a few things that i wanted like boost the lows to give the sound more depth... but like i said before theres still just something missing. i guesss im asking too much of the sampler. im starting to wonder if i should even get an fx processor because most of the fx on the alesis im looking at seem almost petty compaired to my samplers possibilities. has anyone used an alesis fx processor and are they worth it?

sorry about all the questions... :/

-justin

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Message 13/27 11-Jan-03 @ 11:31 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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honestly I would say get a different sampler first

the Emu Ultras are SO ing cheap now! If youre stickin with hardware that is...same with yamaha A4000/5000

I dont think the SP808 filters are very flexible...

you should see all the filters in newer samplers!

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Message 14/27 12-Jan-03 @ 04:22 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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well its the 808 ex.. and youre right.. the filters are extremely limited... but it makes up for it in the fx processor even thought i still want more.

im not gonna spend another grand on another sampler.. the one i have right now is great for what i want it for.. at least i think it is.

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Message 15/27 14-Jan-03 @ 12:54 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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don't change what's not giving you trouble citizen-s. i've tried twice now to make the jump from phrase sampler to rackmount behemoth because i let other people convince me that's what i needed to do to get to the next level. guess what, they were wrong. you can do so much with very little. right k? he's always telling us how he got tracks released with nothing more than a sh#tty old emax and some samples of a vacuum cleaner and dishes breaking. i mean if kilo can get a track pressed with that then why does anyone need a $2000 rack sampler especially now that software samplers are getting so cheap? use what's between your ears.

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Message 16/27 14-Jan-03 @ 03:00 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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yahama A4000 = bout $450 used, stock

Emu E6400 ultra = bout $700 used

E4xt Ultra = bout a grand used, maybe less

yeah. NEVER change cuz others tell you to, and I wasnt trying to sell you on any change.

it sounded like the SP wasnt doin it for ya. When your tools become limiting you move on. plain and simple

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Message 17/27 14-Jan-03 @ 05:14 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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i think im just gonna go the safe rout and spend 200 dollars on an fx processor...

my sampler is a phrase sampler too. i love it. very easy to use. plus being a computer guy im more used to piecing my music together.

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Message 18/27 14-Jan-03 @ 02:28 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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I'd have to agree with Influx though.. Look at the prices of used Akai S6000s and Emu Ultras, Yamaha A4000/A5000... These are far more capable samplers no matter how many effects processors you buy. The Akai S6000 can take 256 MB of memory AND read samples direct from the hard disk without loading into memory. That's limitless phrase sampling.

-Craig

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Message 19/27 14-Jan-03 @ 03:02 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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my partner has an 808, and its saving grace is in its interactivity. You can pound on it like an mpc, which is always nice. Someone needs to make a super capable sampler with some mashy big buttons, real time fx control knobs with built in Fx....and portability would be nice. But it needs to have VariPhrase like capabilities...yes that would be keen. A supersampler!

But seriously, the 808 aint bad....too bad you paid all that money for the smaller, Imac looking case...cuz you can buy and old 808, and upgrade the OS and get all the new fx, etc for free! Thats what my buddy did.

$0�!D

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Message 20/27 14-Jan-03 @ 03:08 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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"far more capable..."

how do you mean?

load time really isnt an issue other than convenience. this is for a studio not live gigs. i guess phrase samplers are much more popular for the live performances but i like the idea of phrase samplers. it just gives me TOTAL control of EVERYTHING. plus, like i said earlier, i just like piecing everything together better.

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Message 21/27 14-Jan-03 @ 03:10 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

citizen_s

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hydrobilly...

you cant just buy a new casing for it??

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Message 22/27 14-Jan-03 @ 07:43 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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Far more capable... Can you load up a piano patch and play it across an 88-key keyboard? Do you have 30-odd filter types? Do you have a 4-bus effects unit? 256MB memory? 64 MIDI channels? 128-voice polyphony? Crossfading and layering? USB so transferring samples from your PC to your sampler is almost instantaneous and with no hassles? Hard disk? 16 outs?

Shall I continue?

I'm not trying to pick on you but there's a huge world of options when you've got a proper sampler.

And also, if I were a studio rat and had no interest in playing live I'd use software for sampling. There's almost nothing you can't do in Sonar natively that you can do with a phrase sampler.

-Craig

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Message 23/27 14-Jan-03 @ 08:22 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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youre making my sampler sound like shit. >

really out of everything you listed id only be interested in the onboard fx processor and the layering capabilities.

what youve mentioned about other samplers is all well and good and im sure youre right about there being LOTS more possibilites... but we're kinda getting off the topic. im just interested in enhancing my drum sounds right now. starting from the ground up.. im going for my drums and sweeps/leads (with my microKORG. god i love that lil bastard!) then ill get into the heavy stuff.

my original thought was to get a fb cuz someone i work with has one and he loves it. get the fb and run my drums through it for fx but the more i read into it the more an fx processor made sense. how did we start talking about samplers anyway?? lol :p

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Message 24/27 15-Jan-03 @ 02:13 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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Because,(not trying to offend here), if you put frosting on a cake made of shit it still ain't gonna taste good

That's a little extreme, I know. But like I said before.. With a proper sampler you could try different filter types (individual filters per voice), you could layer other drums sounds, you've got the effects built in, you could more easily experiment with detuning, etc..

If you're set on your 808, then I recommend you fire up the PC, get a hold of Stomper, or at least a big library of drum hits, and something like Sound Forge.. Then start paying until you get the right drums sounds. Then put them in the 808. Another thing you can try is to make the drums using your MicroKorg. VA kick drums rule

-Craig

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Message 25/27 15-Jan-03 @ 03:34 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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to confuse you even more, i just turned on my FB today after not using it for a while. nasty, dirty, gritty, and filthy as f***!

like hounds of hell chewing you up then vomiting you back out half digested with all the other bits of rotten flesh from their bellies. might not be exactly what you were looking for

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Message 26/27 15-Jan-03 @ 03:49 PM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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"Because,(not trying to offend here), if you put frosting on a cake made of shit it still ain't gonna taste good"

lol ass. :p

the 808 ex has 4 different channels that you can add fx to or not at your pleasure. ummm. maybe if i can run the exact same drum kick through all the channels at the same time and add the filter to each one that may simulate layering....?? hmmm. im just gonna hafta be creative.

anywayz. that stomper program. i just downloaded it but im at work and i cant really test it out yet. it looks like a cheap but useable little program. are there any plug-ins for it or is it a what you see is what you get program?

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Message 27/27 19-Jan-03 @ 12:11 AM - RE: Sherman FilterBank, worth it?

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I dont think you can buy a new case for it cuz the newer one has a scaled down design internally im sure. But if you had done that you could have saved about 600 bucks.

$0�!d

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