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Original Message 1/19 28-Feb-03 @ 11:12 AM - Eye for an Eye
Message 2/19 28-Feb-03 @ 11:29 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
One thing that was never pointed out is that not two weeks before the 9/11 attack, the evangelical jews of the US used their power with the US to prevent the US government from intervening in the Israeli/Palistinian conflict, which resulted in the US pulling out of the international race relations treaty. Basically signing away the lives of countless Palistinians.
That seems more like the kind of act that would trigger an attack on the US. The even more disgusting thing is how the US government used the tragedy for their own gain in accusing the Taliban so that the US could obtain an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 3/19 28-Feb-03 @ 12:50 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
I myself wish Some aliens could take me to another planet and get me the hell out of here. The Human race wears me out.
Message 4/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:11 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
2) drink beer.... BUT turn the telly OFF...that doesn't mean to this channel occasionally because it's got some okay stuff on it....when i'm stupid.
this means totally and completely OFF!
3) bear in mind that fulfilling one's own needs (ie survival) doesn't comprise selling out. being silent when a decent opportunity to speak one's conscience...does.
4) i think everyone will have the opportunity to stand up or sit down for one's rights.
it's coming to this.
5) have faith that most people are good.....
sheep included.
Message 5/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:41 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 01:43 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Amen to that! The 'sheep' are either good or bad depending on what they are told. Besides, humans invented the concepts of rights and good and bad and if you analyse the concepts you'll quickly realise they are complete fallacies. Invented out of necessity, but too overused not to mention too abstract and vague to be applied now.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 6/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:51 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Message 7/19 28-Feb-03 @ 03:18 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
And I don't have my Bible here (*cough*), but isn't that whole 'eye for an eye' thing speaking of universal justice, or justice in the eyes of god? How are mere mortals supposed to know such things? God works in mysterious ways...
psy
Message 8/19 28-Feb-03 @ 03:51 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Message 9/19 28-Feb-03 @ 06:03 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
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Fuck "god" the ever-present, wrathful-yet-benign being that will PUNISH YOU HORRIBLY if you don't worship him and admit that you are a crap human. yet he LOVES YOU.
Religion is kind of fascinating to an atheist like me - I think there is something beneficial to be LEANRED from most religions, but you've got to THINK FOR YOURSELF and sort the data, sift it, and discard the useless, which is 90% or more. So yeah, religion = interesting, yet scary that OTHERWISE intelligent people take it seriously.
Humans ARE this planet's major problem, their own worst enemy, the blinder-wearing sheep, horses, dogs, what-have-you. Whatever you call it, same thing.
I realized one night when I ingested about 5 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and became posessed by the universe, that GOOD , BAD, RIGHT, WRONG, etc. DO NOT EXIST except in the mind of the individual. Benefit, Harm, these DO exist, and are observable. EVIL does not exist. That that can be said to be good, is that which helps the most whilst cauing the LEAST HARM. But that does not mean IT IS GOOD, just that it can be said to be good.
MASS HUMAN AGREEMENT is one of the msot harmful things to happen. Politics is a prime example of such.
AN eye for an eye you say? OK, so on a planetwide scale, we owe the planet our lives - I mean we need to accept and embrace death, not try to avoid it, prolong our lives to the point of undeniable selfishness. GIVE UP YOUR LIFE TO THE PLANET! Join me on a voluntary human extinction program; STOP PROCREATING. Adopt an animal, give it the best life you can. Grow some succulents, some rubber trees.
Now I'm starting to sound like a damn hippy. So I'll prove here that I'm just a simple observer. Image attached. Rolled, composed, exposed, processed & scanned by me, in case anyone wonders. Old barn detail near my residence.
Bla bla bla, if you were a space traveler looking for a hell and found earth, it would suffice.
Message 10/19 28-Feb-03 @ 06:39 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 06:46 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Never heard so many of my understandings pour out of someone else's head. Dunno if it's frightening or relieving.
Nice one fella!
Back to the original topic: Didn't Gandi once state "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind"? Good point.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 11/19 28-Feb-03 @ 07:37 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 07:40 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
The rules for keeping animals have become so stringent and gradually more expensive that only big production line agriculture can survive.I'm forced to pay a vet to check my beef cattle for things that only affect dairy cattle if I don't do it the animals aren't allowed to be outside in the fields where they belong,I'm forced to fill in form after form and jump through hoop after hoop.Most small farms are incapable of continuing so they are selling up and the land goes either to big mega production farmers using the worst farming techniques,or to property developers who create industrial and residential desolation wherever they go.I can buy most food cheaper in the supermarket to the extent that it's hardly worth producing my own,but to give in and simply use the system means to become part of it in a way that is repellent to me personally,every penny I can keep from falling into a profiteers hands is a penny that doesn't go towards propping up a system I despise.
The vast majority of Muslims are exploited by their feudal overlords just in a more primitive way than our overlords exploit us using the distortion of democracy that we have come to accept as our political system,the answer is not to attack the Muslims,but to attack their ignorance and our own.Whatever real freedoms we have won are being eroded and any resistance is swiftly and brutally crushed,more aspects of our life are threatened with scrutiny and control than ever before.Political progress must constantly be pushed for,every freedom that people have ever won has come through organizing and direct action,people have been complacent for too long,political action and involvement has become passe exactly what the powermongers want.R for Referendum lets put this supposed democracy to the test if they refuse a referendum on the most important decision a nation can make there is obviously something wrong with the system.
Message 12/19 28-Feb-03 @ 11:16 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Message 13/19 01-Mar-03 @ 01:09 AM Edit: 01-Mar-03 | 01:10 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Human's are not a problem to the planet, the planet doesn't care (I suspect). Humans are a "problem" for various non human species living on the planet and other humans. Actually, we're not that different from most other parasitic organisms..... If you're the parasite, everything is "food", and for the "food" this probably isn't much fun...
Nice image, nobody...
Toodles
Message 14/19 01-Mar-03 @ 03:21 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Ape
Message 15/19 01-Mar-03 @ 07:50 AM Edit: 01-Mar-03 | 07:55 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Crowd: 'We must Think for Ourselves!'
Brian: 'You are All Individuals!'
Crowd: "We are all Individuals!'
Voice from back: 'I'm not...'
Message 17/19 01-Mar-03 @ 11:58 AM Edit: 01-Mar-03 | 11:59 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
yea that is a nice photo.
Message 18/19 01-Mar-03 @ 04:06 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
it does not take a majority to conduct a war...no matter what the machinization might suggest.
the sheep remain inside their pen...although they see the way out.
peter gabriel 1972
Message 19/19 01-Mar-03 @ 05:39 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
If they have played with history then this can be an anomoly, or absolutely not
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