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Message 5/103 02-Apr-03 @ 09:10 PM - RE: Ironic
weird flares, shadows not right and the guy with a sleeveless shirt has no socks on.
Message 6/103 02-Apr-03 @ 10:52 PM - RE: Ironic
funny that everyone takes the escalator
lemme guess...fat lazy americans, right?
whatever
Message 7/103 02-Apr-03 @ 10:58 PM - RE: Ironic
Steve.
Message 9/103 03-Apr-03 @ 09:05 AM - RE: Ironic
no?
it IS pretty funny, but the attempt at a ribbing...
Im just tired of the america-bashing
Message 10/103 03-Apr-03 @ 09:23 AM - RE: Ironic
As far as i know there was a whole generation of Germans who wouldn't talk about their war and their part in it.
Not having a go at you Influx but I thought, just this morning that ANOTHER convenient excuse for this action is the diversion value (who talks of Kyoto, national debt, civil liberties). So for a nation famously spoiled for choice, your comment that you are bored with this diversion, brings derision
Message 11/103 03-Apr-03 @ 05:04 PM - RE: Ironic
The difference between an AMERICAN and a US citizen has a lot to do with flag-waving, etc.
Americans should all be hanged, by their own hand.
Message 12/103 03-Apr-03 @ 06:02 PM - RE: Ironic
I'm not advocating anything here, but it is beginning to look like they will be!
The talk has begun in ernest: Syria, Iran...
"I'm not finished yet!"
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Message 13/103 03-Apr-03 @ 06:04 PM Edit: 03-Apr-03 | 06:10 PM - RE: Ironic
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own
Black people gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick
An' everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
An' nobody wants
To go to jail!
All the power's in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it
Everybody's doing
Just what they're told to
Nobody wants
To go to jail!
Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?
Message 14/103 03-Apr-03 @ 06:05 PM Edit: 03-Apr-03 | 06:06 PM - RE: Ironic
I'm not advocating anything either, except euthanasia. And graffiti. And documentary photography, and music making.
But damn, these fucking idiots cultivated stateside, ready to go and fight for what? Maybe because someone told them it would be needed, to ensure their "freedom" which is as much a myth as that Amerikkka is a free country.. Ha.. I laugh. But it's nervous laughter.
Message 16/103 03-Apr-03 @ 06:13 PM - RE: Ironic
yes, strange and ironic, innit ?
"While Middle East burns and suffers
The lobby cheers and cracks in laughter"
Message 18/103 03-Apr-03 @ 06:55 PM - RE: Ironic
American VS US citizen
ok...I can get with that. Id have to agree there's a definite distinction
but...do you euros see the difference? dunno.
and, of course, while the AMERICAN war machine stomps around on its own personal playground, the US CITIZENS who want no part of it will certainly suffer the consequences.
fackin 'ell! as you would say
Message 19/103 03-Apr-03 @ 07:45 PM - RE: Ironic
a lot of people think I'm too cynical but damn, nobody, you take the cake. and piss on it ;)
Message 20/103 03-Apr-03 @ 10:23 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 24/103 04-Apr-03 @ 02:38 PM Edit: 04-Apr-03 | 04:31 PM - RE: Ironic
Well... its a good point, but needs to be defined a little further. I think the problem arises when anybody sees themselves as a 'citizen' (not just legally) of any country.
'Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons' - Bertrand Russel
'Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious' - Oscar Wilde
And my favourite:
'Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy' - George Bernard Shaw
All said by very, very intelligent people. I don't have a problem with those who live in the USA. But in general, those who believe in their country and government without cynicism tend to be the sort of people I'd offer to put to death. This is however a generalisation, there are always exceptions, though probably not that many in this case.
I feel I speak for many Euros when I say it is just that 'those citizens' of the USA do tend to be very loud and obnoxious, so it is hard to miss them; shouting and waving their flags. While many of the other people living in the US don't make too much noise, so we tend not to associate the US with people other than those 'citizens'.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 25/103 04-Apr-03 @ 02:50 PM - RE: Ironic
I'm just anti-most-humans, and living in this fucking country doesn't help. That I have to see every other car with a fucking flag sticker on it, or one of those ONE NATION. INDIVISBLE. stickers on it, etc. just does not make it easier to um.. anything. I just woke up. Kill 'em all.
Canada. Good place for me I'm sure.
Message 26/103 04-Apr-03 @ 10:19 PM - RE: Ironic
this place..its...its a very good thing gone (going) bad, and it's sad to see, and sad to have it make you feel so out of place while at the same time acknowledging the privilege and opportunity it truly does provide.
Message 28/103 05-Apr-03 @ 12:53 AM Edit: 05-Apr-03 | 12:57 AM - RE: Ironic
Regards.
Steve.
Message 30/103 05-Apr-03 @ 09:40 AM - RE: Ironic
What's your history? Brought here as a slave.. Forced to work until you died, No right to stay with your family, if you were a young woman you could expect to be regularly raped by the white master, his sons or his staff. If you stepped out of line you would be whipped or beaten, maybe have your ankles broken, your face disfigured or simply killed.
After emancipation the whites in the south adopted new tactics. In 1865 and 1866, about 5,000 Southern blacks were murdered. No whites were convicted of doing anything wrong.
The Ku Klux Klan also attempted to keep blacks from voting through an increased use of threats, beatings, and killings. More than 3,000 blacks were lynched during the late 1800's, and the Klan and members of similar groups lynched hundreds more throughout the South during the early 1900's.
There was a decline in lynching during the First World War but more than seventy blacks were murdered in this way in the year after the war ended. Ten black soldiers, several still in their army uniforms, were amongst those lynched. Between 1919 and 1922, a further 239 blacks were lynched by white mobs and many more were killed by individual acts of violence and unrecorded lynchings. In none of these cases was a white person punished for these crimes.
Dr. Arthur Raper was commissioned in 1930 to produce a report on lynching. He discovered that "3,724 people were lynched in the United States from 1889 through to 1930. Over four-fifths of these were Negroes, less than one-sixth of whom were accused of rape. Practically all of the lynchers were native whites.
The fact that a number of the victims were tortured, mutilated, dragged, or burned suggests the presence of sadistic tendencies among the lynchers. Of the tens of thousands of lynchers and onlookers, only 49 were indicted and only 4 have been sentenced."
Henry Hayes was executed on 6th June, 1997. It was the first time a white man had been executed for a crime against an African American since 1913!!!!!
Now, you tell me, in the last 100 years, how many
a) white people were executed for killing black people?
b) black people were killed by white people?
If you are an american and you don't have a clue, you should be ashamed.. go research.
Here's something to get you started on your journey of discovery:
'between 1930 and 1996, more than half of all those executed have been African-Americans. When the crime (or accusation) is rape, the death penalty has almost always been exclusively reserved for blacks. Of the 453 men executed for rape since 1930, 405 have been black. Nearly all of them were executed in the South. They were arrested and convicted on the flimsiest evidence, usually no more than the word of a white woman. At the same time, not one white man received the death penalty for raping a black woman. There is no official record in any Southern state of a black man ever being executed for raping a black woman. The victims of all but 44 of the blacks executed in the South from 1930 through 1984 were white. Not much has changed over the years. A black is still eleven times more likely to get the death penalty then a white when the victim is white. At present nearly half of those currently sitting on the nation's death rows are black. And that number has remained steady for three decades. The only real change in the top heavy racial make-up of death row prisoners is the jump in the number of Latinos awaiting execution. In Texas and California, the runaway leaders in the number of prisoners on death row, a significant number of the condemned are Latinos. A recent report from the Leadership Council on Civil Rights revealed that Latinos have outstripped blacks as the fastest growing imprisoned group in America. The same glaring racial bias that insures many black men wind up on death row also ensnares Latinos.'
Sounds like a living hell to me...
(And lets not mention the experience of the Native Americans)
Message 31/103 05-Apr-03 @ 09:42 AM - RE: Ironic
Message 32/103 05-Apr-03 @ 09:50 AM - RE: Ironic
I'd say more like - it was a place where people went to escape the plight forced upon them by industrialists back home only to find they were fucked over all over again by the same people once they also had gone over there to exploit the resources and the people, just the same as they did in europe
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 33/103 05-Apr-03 @ 09:53 AM - RE: Ironic
slavery, while without question a horrible thing;
a)was not limited to, developed by, NOR MONOPOLIZED by the US
nope
Native Americans?
SICK situation, one deserving of far more "reparations" than have ever been offered.
but you can fvck off with your condescending little 23 year old bullshit, my man. You and all you little typical liberals who do nothing but regurgitate the "facts" as you read them
you arrogant little prick! I fvcking LIVE HERE, ok? I see whats wrong with the place for the most part, and I also see clearly what is RIGHT, which you refuse to acknowledge even exists
so you can go and have a blast wanking off in your US-Bashing trendy little euro attitude, while I do my best to think of ways to make this a better place instead of just fvcking crying about it all the time like you brits and other snobby fvcking euros do
slavery is OVER. What happened to the indigent people here is for the most part over. The repercussions are horrifying but dont you fvcking talk to me like youre some god damned enlightened motherfvcker and Im just some piece of shit that doesnt know a single god damned thing ok?
arrogant fck
how old are you, really? Id be willing to bet that youre not old enough to carry the sort of burden you knowledge you claim to carry.
Ive had enough with your smug self-important regurgitative leftist "activism" that is nothing more than words, accusations, and COMPLAINING.
do you DO ANYTHING? Are you out in the streets trying to convince people there is a better way? I TRY, ok? It aint easy, but I try.
people like you make me sick. you read too much and then point your fingers at everyone else. you dont know SHIT about anything you claim to know about, my man, and that is clearly illustrated by your typically naive choice to single out the United States as the sole perpetrator of these injustices you cite.
make me wanna spit on you and your kind
Message 34/103 05-Apr-03 @ 10:29 AM - RE: Ironic
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 35/103 05-Apr-03 @ 10:35 AM - RE: Ironic
And.. I did NOT say 'slavery was MONOPOLIZED by the US ' duh..
'little 23 year old bullshit' I am 23 ? I wish! heh
My wife is black, I have two black daughters, one of whose father lives in Georgia, so we get some interesting feedback...
I have visited the US and it has both good and bad points...
All I said was that the US was a good experience for some people, and a living hell for others.. yyour reply was 'bullshit'?
Well, Im just disagreeing with you.. live with it..
At no point do I beleieve I have 'bashed the US'
Quite willing to tell it like it is about George W and his band of thugs tho..
How many tens of thousands of young and old men, brothers, fathers, lovers, poets, sons have they just crisped? Men who mostly didn't even want to be in the army anyways.. (conscripts)
And some fucking US barbie stubs her toe and it's 'meet the family' on fox.. bah
Where are the human interest stories about the Iraqui children crying for their lost father?
Not on FOX Bullshit News that's for sure..
Message 37/103 05-Apr-03 @ 07:05 PM - RE: Ironic
youre right. you said "living hell for others"
funny thing is even the worst of the worst HERE is better than anywhere else.
many wrinkles need to be ironed out, no doubt.
Im not having it about the black thing, man cuz racism goes ALL ways..not just black on white, white on black, etc.
hate to say it but that slavery argument...tired. how long before it gets put to rest and stops being used as a tool? the holocaust?
IMO the people who are STILL suffering are the natives you mentioned. an entire culture hobbled by their mistreatment
oh hell I dunno youre still smug
Message 38/103 05-Apr-03 @ 11:30 PM - RE: Ironic
HTML skills ;) but i kept receiving an error message.
whoah there, influx. i just can't pass this one up without
comment. i've never seen you fly off the handle like that
- and in defense of THIS country no less? Zazza was
succinct and DEAD ON.
it is certainly and will always be, for some, an ongoing
hell. you're a white male from southern california, for
jeebus' sake. i'm not having a dig at you or anyone in
your statistical shoes, please understand that. but
you're spouting some alarmingly blind BULLSHIT!!!
your point of view is suffering some severely faulty
depth perception. ;)
the privilege you speak of stops at the doorsteps of the
PRIVILEGED. i can't believe you are so adamantly
refusing to admit that. i couldn't disagree with you more
about the *opportunity* this country provides its people.
and sorry to say it looks like it's only going to get much,
much worse.
oh...and the worst of here being better than anywhere
else? hardly. i cannot believe you said that. how the
hell would you know??
and lastly, why so quick to get defensive about that
picture? it says a lot, really. my initial thoughts about it
were "damn, those are some sorry MFrs", not "oh jeez,
more stupid americans". YOU'RE the one that turned it
into some kind of anti-american insult! personally i had
a good laugh because it shows quite well the EMPTY
GESTURE people are putting into every last action...the
escalators to get to the "Sculpt My Vacant Image"
Fitness Center says it all!! they prob stopped at McD's
on the way home. but since you tied together the fact
that this is a US image...there's no getting around these
people do make up the MAJORITY of the US
population. quite disgusting really. but as an american
i found no reason to take it personally, why did you?
i dunno. email me? and until then, go sit in the corner!!
for shame.
Message 39/103 06-Apr-03 @ 07:23 PM - RE: Ironic
actually..Im not. I couldnt care less what you people say, really. Im not stupid, Im not blind, I see quite clearly the horrible faults of this nation, but the fact remains that there truly is an avenue for almost everyone. the doors get smaller and less frequent the further down the scale you go, no doubt, but even people from the very bottom have the opportunity to come up.
yes, people are mistreated drastically, every single day, and like I said Im definitely out there trying to open the eyes of those I come in contact with, but..
well, thanks so much for insulting me. I really do appreciate it. Shows how far we've come in our interaction.
but hey..I dont know shit, right? Im just another stupid ing american, and Im JUST a stupid ing white boy born and raised in SoCal so I can have NO idea how the real world works. NONE WHATSOEVER, right?
so yeah..I'll go sit in the fvcking corner for defending this HORRIBLE country that allowed YOU and others like you to make what $50 an hour for drawing neat pictures. what a horrible place, that doesnt allow ANYONE the chance to do anything except be a pawn.
thank you SO much for your wonderful insight into my shallow beginnings and my utter lack of ANY sort of understanding.
in fact, yeah...I think I WILL go sit in the corner and stop giving a shit about the inequities here in the US. Perhaps I would be better off to quit reading this bullshit.
you are right, tho. It was me who added that tinge of anti-americanism but that is because zazza, roughley and the like are CONSTANTLY talking shit about AMERICANS as if we're all just worthless pieces of shit based solely on our place of birth?
FVCK THAT SHIT dammit, Im sick of fvcking hearing about it.
now why dont you all just quit BITCHING about how bad it is here cuz youre really not trying to do anything about it, and LEAVE? go see how other governments treat people! go see how HIGH taxes are everywhere else. Gas? shit. all the little plastic and wires we so love to play with? yeah..try affording that A3000 in canada, or the UK...
damn...I need to open my eyes?
ok. well..theyre open and I see quite clearly that this place is a good thing gone bad but despite all that still provides a long list of options for a huge number of people. we dont own a monopoly on inequity, dammit, and the gap between the rich and the poor is fvcking disgusting but Im just sick of hearing fvcking couch-ridden communists who wouldnt lift a finger to enact any sort of change!
this looks so out of place now as a reaction to a stupid photograph.
respond all you want. call me stupid, blind, naive, whatever, but Im fvcking through reading this shit here. this place doesnt provide me anything anymore but a bullshit guilt that Im tired of having heaped on me
Message 40/103 06-Apr-03 @ 07:39 PM - RE: Ironic
and far too many of you assholes HERE bitch and moan while you live some incredibly privileged lives, provided by the foundation that is your home. Hate it? LEAVE!
Love it but are disgusted by where its going? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
Message 41/103 06-Apr-03 @ 09:41 PM - RE: Ironic
they say that this is a free country
they say that this is a free country
that's why i have free love for sale
free love for sale
free love for sale
free love for sale
free love for sale
it's something you can't beg steal or borrow
and it can't be postponed til tomorrow
and it may add up to your sorrow
since i've got free love for sale
there's no such thing as free love
there's no such thing as free love
there's no such thing as free love
you have to pay thru the nose
freedom? influx i would have been a farmer. slavery has just gotten a lot tidier is all. saying we're free is like saying "i'm glad i just got my jaw broken instead of my head taken clean off." big fucking hurray.
Message 42/103 06-Apr-03 @ 10:10 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 44/103 06-Apr-03 @ 11:52 PM - RE: Ironic
no need for it. i was only suggesting cancelling your
subscription to Hail America, it's not getting you
anywhere.
in this country, you are not born free, you are born
SOLD, only for the purposes of fueling the Red White
and Blue Transaction Machine, to help the ongoing
lining of its pockets with the blood of its citizens' smiling,
trusting, gaping souls. oh the subtleties of All-American
slavery. you're really only as good as your ability to
spend. what *opportunities* can possibly outweigh this
wrongdoing??
i guess i figured since i actually know you we could talk
about it, that you wouldn't resort to 'ah, you're just
another eurotrash freedom-hater' etc. etc. i'm amazed i
even bothered. i've gone a deep shade of apathetic,
believe me, and ceased seeing anything beneficial
from interaction with all but a few outsiders. no one
knows how to listen. and no one sees the very basic
necessity in working on ONESELF before attempting to
"open the eyes" of everyone else [ah, but look who's
talking, right? haha] things could be a lot different. but
what we have is society cultivating spiritual laziness.
as one mr levitch noted, society is the greatest self-
hatred man has ever conceived. something i believe to
be THE biggest problem. do something about it, you
say? the two possible solutions i can see are 1)for a
nationwide simultaneous raising of consciousness
[something Mr. TV and the lesser infiltrators are doing
well to keep from ever happening], HIGHLY
improbable...or, as you suggest, 2)leave. preparations
well in progress to get the hell out of here, no doubt
about it. though i fear merely to some other place this
country in due time will feel the need to "liberate" as
well. which brings me to the simplest and most justified
solution of all time, 3)KILL ALL HUMANS. heard that
somewhere.
and that A3000 that would be so hard to get outside the
US? tough titty, say the kitty. there are worse things to
go without, surely you see that, and i'm very much done
going without those. the A3K is long gone anyway, as it
became more important to be where i am than having
all that kit.
just realize i wasn't insulting YOU, ya egomaniac, i was
voicing my own displeasure for this INSULT of a nation
and the blindness that ensues due to its tactics.
Message 45/103 07-Apr-03 @ 12:42 AM - RE: Ironic
and strong emotions show the edges where they made your box
Message 46/103 07-Apr-03 @ 01:59 AM - RE: Ironic
and kittens
but a 16 year old would know nothing of this sort of discussion
more spaces
there
Message 47/103 07-Apr-03 @ 03:21 PM - RE: Ironic
haha! no, what happened to the indigenous people is mostly over; the indigent will keep on getting screwed for a long time.
zazza, influx: I'm with you fellars.
Message 48/103 07-Apr-03 @ 06:41 PM - RE: Ironic
aww hell. I told myself I wouldnt even read this, let alone respond.
apathy? sounds attractive, doesnt it. but for someone who cares it's incredibly difficult to stop
Message 50/103 07-Apr-03 @ 08:03 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 51/103 07-Apr-03 @ 08:28 PM - RE: Ironic
I am well aware of the shit that "Native Americans" were put through and are still going through.
and Blacks, mexicans, whatever. Its all true.
fck it. Im just gonna go sit in my nice comfy SoCal IDONTKNOWSHIT little world then while all you other fckers who have it all figured out do something about it, k?
Message 52/103 07-Apr-03 @ 08:43 PM - RE: Ironic
Well, in my defence, I can't recall ever doing this. If you could point out what gave you this idea, then I will clear it up. I certainly didn't mean to piss you off Influx. My appologies.
Steve.
Message 53/103 07-Apr-03 @ 08:52 PM - RE: Ironic
no..you didnt piss me off, but are you really gonna tell me youre not on the "america sucks" bandwagon?
If I misinterpreted then it is I who should apologize, but I dont think thats the case
hell, most of you guys, even the shit-talkers, I have a great deal of respect for! there are quite a few educated, eloquent folks here.
but...its just the blind enthusiasm for america bashing that gets me riled up. I want solutions too
but jesus...the fact is that this particular thread wasnt a direct jab at the US anyway, and I am the one that turned into that, so...Im gonna pull out now
Message 54/103 07-Apr-03 @ 11:14 PM Edit: 07-Apr-03 | 11:15 PM - RE: Ironic
As for the America Sucks Bandwagon, yeah I'm on it, but it is by no means the only Country Sucks Bandwagon that I am riding. As far as my experience of other Countries goes, the only country that I am happy with is probably Antarctica, but I don't know much about its government or native religions, so I'm not 100% sure. At any rate it's certainly not a personal attack mate, but I can see now, just how annoying it is.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 55/103 08-Apr-03 @ 12:43 AM - RE: Ironic
that, in and of itself, was insulting.
fact remains that the US govt is a dirty one. Not all the people here agree with the govts actions, nor are we all fat, lazy, stupid, and narrow-minded (but Im not gonna for an INSTANT think that open-mindedness means blind acceptance of every single motherfcker that wants to come along and claim some random title)
here I am. stuck in the middle. both sides are full of shit. been clearly demonstrated.
Message 56/103 08-Apr-03 @ 11:07 AM - RE: Ironic
It's not an argument it's a living reality..
Try this.. 'Black up' and drive cross-country across Georgia (try driving maybe a nice new BMW?).. stopping in the handy roadside cafes (be sure you don't miss out Mcintosh county) and have a friendly chat with the nice people (especially women) you meet there...
If you come back alive, I'll apologise
It's only white people that think racism is dead..
What abotu that case recently where a town in the south hired a private detective to investigate drug dealing ... they ended arresting and imprisoning 10% of the black population based solely on his 'verbal' evidence and a bunch of little bags of coke that he claimed he found on these people.
Turned out later that he had bought some coke, cut it into to little bags and planted it on everyone..
Result? Black people still in prison serving sentences of up to 14 years. The guy that comitted perjory and got them locked up has a nice new job with another police force.
Message 57/103 08-Apr-03 @ 12:26 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 60/103 08-Apr-03 @ 06:23 PM - RE: Ironic
I didnt say racism was dead, or gone, or not a reality.
nor would I even attempt to say that past injustices are not affecting people currently.
but again, I will say that the US does not hold a monopoly on racism. The simple fact that there IS racism in the US does not make it a ed up place (there is racism EVERYWHERE and it aint ALL whitey!) and things ARE much better than they've ever been. Perception and actions need to change drastically in many regards. no doubt. on ALL sides.
"slavery" is over, so griping about what happened _then_ without contextualizing it is just lame.
do you still call germany out because of what happened in the 40s?
hell..dont you live in england? England is still the biggest imperialist on the planet, with more "territories" than anyone else, no?
Message 61/103 08-Apr-03 @ 08:07 PM - RE: Ironic
Sadly, however, there are more people in slavery now than at any other time in human history..
http://www.antislavery.org/index.htm
Message 62/103 08-Apr-03 @ 08:10 PM - RE: Ironic
but then...elsewhere..yes...horribly underpaid labor, etc.
well...again...one of my desires for the US is to pull back. get out of other peoples business, quit feeding off taking advantage, and focus on our own problems and needs here.
Message 63/103 08-Apr-03 @ 08:17 PM - RE: Ironic
isn't slavery when someone else compulses you to do something in their interests against your will?
so if i'm sociopolitically forced to earn money in order to harbor my living off the land, how is that not slavery?
oh don't tell me.. "that's not slavery, that's fair play..." said the man with all the money.
Message 64/103 08-Apr-03 @ 08:37 PM - RE: Ironic
hmmm....
Message 65/103 08-Apr-03 @ 08:47 PM Edit: 08-Apr-03 | 09:31 PM - RE: Ironic
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stop hatred
Message 70/103 08-Apr-03 @ 09:04 PM Edit: 08-Apr-03 | 09:05 PM - RE: Ironic
bleedin' drug addled hippie bullshit
Message 71/103 08-Apr-03 @ 09:21 PM - RE: Ironic
:p
Message 72/103 08-Apr-03 @ 09:26 PM - RE: Ironic
forget it. I keep saying Im not gonna get back into this argument with people.
xoxos..you otta be allowed to live off the land as you see fit. any hindrance there is just wrong
Message 73/103 08-Apr-03 @ 09:26 PM - RE: Ironic
hmmm....
flexes fingers...
Message 74/103 08-Apr-03 @ 09:35 PM - RE: Ironic
everything that spins fluctuates
Message 75/103 08-Apr-03 @ 10:42 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 76/103 08-Apr-03 @ 11:02 PM - RE: Ironic
Influx you are a voice for your generation and so I am talking to you
Past terrors 'getting better every day in every way' combined with the 'lameness' of true but soooo yesterday - is shit. I mean fish forget after 7 seconds and you are unhappy with the referesh rate of non US minds?
"do you still call germany out because of what happened in the 40s? " I thought i had.
"any hindrance there is just wrong". Talk about lame, taking the bull by the horns... well complain to the minister of fairness. This is possesion guys. Gypsies have no land, rely on movement to do what they do, but modern life became accepted and started building walls and getting papers and now gypsies are shit people cos their model cannot work now, shame really cos they cant afford spiralling house prices. What you gonna do about that. When is law stratification of a cultures priority over another acceptable..., when they are first to make the law, We-he-hell what sort of future is that then these purveyors of justice decide. First to think up the unthinkable and legislate and patent owns it. I laughed at the character in the little prince who bought the planets he could see through his telescope, but I suuppose commission is enough. Just what % increase have we seen in patent applications over the last years. As a model capitalism is selfish, boring and obvious and constrictive - maybe people excell there cos they are dead to the future
"well...again...one of my desires for the US is to pull back. get out of other peoples business, quit.." but until then I will consume sliced yoghurt and defend gas prices and feel better when I compare current actions with other countries history. Problem is I can't write a letter to Neville Chamberlaine telling him what a tit he looked getting of that plane telling us about peace in our time
Influx respects - i have had a few and you really are asking for it. I have no solution for that 'said something I shouldn't hv and come back to it...but there was a reason i said something in the first place, so lets go...dilemma'" as far as i am concerned you feel guilty about what your leaders are doing in this world and as a member of 'that' world I take your appology
Message 78/103 08-Apr-03 @ 11:10 PM Edit: 08-Apr-03 | 11:13 PM - RE: Ironic
it wasn't big enough
Message 79/103 09-Apr-03 @ 12:33 AM - RE: Ironic
there are a lot of things to consider, though, since there's a lot of people on top of each other on concrete. a convention, like money, seems like a good idea of sorting it out.. the problem is, to get money, you either have to (a) agree with others or (b) take advantage of others.
i could go on and on about that, but i'll leave it there with that spread open raw example of the assimilative subprogramming in human culture.. all the evil algorithms are connective. it's like concentrating on the created partnership instead of the common goal. it's like girl tests.
cattle are easier to herd when they keep each other bunched.
Message 80/103 09-Apr-03 @ 12:39 AM - RE: Ironic
there he is, boldly asserting "I AM THE ALPHA SHEEP." dan.
Message 81/103 09-Apr-03 @ 01:23 AM - RE: Ironic
I dont feel guilty because it aint ME perpetrating these things you poor little whiner OH GOD THE US IS JUST STEPPING ALL OVER YOU!
who the hell defended gas prices?
you guys...all of you can fck off with your smug "I got you all figured out" shit cuz you
DONT
KNOW
SHIT
about where Im comin from
dammit why cant I just leave this thread alone
cheddar, youre an obtuse, arrogant, pseudo-intellectual who hides his regurtitative "knowledge" behind encoded HORSESHIT
now back off
Message 82/103 09-Apr-03 @ 08:05 AM Edit: 09-Apr-03 | 08:06 AM - RE: Ironic
You packing heat Big I?
Message 83/103 09-Apr-03 @ 09:03 AM - RE: Ironic
No more from me
Message 84/103 09-Apr-03 @ 09:43 AM - RE: Ironic
man..your head is so far up your fcking ass Im amazed you can see through all the brown.
you dont know me, fool. you have no idea what Im doin, where Im goin, or what I think, and for you to imply that im some sort of fascist...well...you just dropped about ten rungs on the respect ladder
which means now that youre not even on it cuz youve been a smug asshole from the start
oh..zazza..heh..packin...no fckin way, man! Guns are for people that cant fistfight
Message 85/103 09-Apr-03 @ 09:57 AM - RE: Ironic
You mean like the US Army?
Message 86/103 09-Apr-03 @ 03:11 PM - RE: Ironic
we used to have real debates around here without losing respect for one another. wtf, people?
psy
Message 87/103 09-Apr-03 @ 06:31 PM Edit: 09-Apr-03 | 06:39 PM - RE: Ironic
Which forum you been reading?
This one maybe?
Wind up Influx? By posting a picture of a gym with an escalator?
I am in love with Donald Rumsfeld. Read his poetry HERE. this man is deep.
Here's one to get you started:
The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
And HERE is a nice soundbite from Don...
This one is good TOO! go Don!
Whole bunch HERE
Message 88/103 09-Apr-03 @ 06:40 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 89/103 09-Apr-03 @ 06:46 PM Edit: 09-Apr-03 | 06:55 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 90/103 09-Apr-03 @ 06:47 PM - RE: Ironic
If America pulled back, closed it's borders, minded it's own business:
Lettuce would cost us $4.00 a head. Jeans would cost us $500 a pair. Shoes? well, most of us would be barefoot! We would all be living out a medieval nightmare in the US because our ENTIRE economic superiority gig is a shell game! We live on the backs of those in other countries who are forced to live as they do by the circumstance of their poverty. History will remember our society as a gluttonous, heavy handed tyranny that lived high on slave labor and war attrocities!
Raising the water so everyone's boat can float is a bunch of bullshit. the metaphor is better stated as lowering everyone's boats to meet the water! And I'm curious to see how long fat, apathetic Americans (hell, industrialized westerners for that matter) would put up with it before the were happy to send their children off to die for their comfort!
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Message 91/103 09-Apr-03 @ 06:50 PM - RE: Ironic
tsk...
Message 92/103 09-Apr-03 @ 07:05 PM Edit: 09-Apr-03 | 07:09 PM - RE: Ironic
The Unknown Knows
On this train
Will it always rain?
Try to analyze
This led venture
Songless sky, digital bug-eye
Octogonal seems so much clearer
Indiscrete, status incomplete
To provide me with
Something better
Things come and go
This world is droll
All that I know
The Unknown knows
Talk to me you flying shadows
Wandering into the ozone stew
Keep your myths from the embryos
Who would misconstrue
Anything new
An outright official fiasco
Can you shield me
From the drastic truth
Times come and go
How dull the flow
All that I hope
The Unknown knows
Have some sign come to me
That I am in their league
Back down to reality
Look about, response is wanting
Events are carefully on display
Common sense, a gift, is given
But mystic mistakes are never made
Suspecting premature daydreams
I surrender to ritual grey
I come and go
Endless approach
I must be close
The Unknown knows
Why all this commotion now?
Stop...wait
I wish I knew the one who knows
Yesterday will come
With tomorrow's sun
And merry-go-round
vStuck on muddy ground
Nineteen yelping fools
Half-wits spouting drool
Half of which have some
The others have none
I knew all along
funny, i didn't remember it like that
Message 94/103 09-Apr-03 @ 07:43 PM - RE: Ironic
and on that last phrase i must ask.. with no intention of harm..
influx.. do *you* know where you're coming from?
i mean.. what do you do with a situation like being born into a corrupt society, when in all likelihood the only survival techniques you know implicate it?
my guess is for the most part there's fuck all you can do (in comparison to what you'd like to see happen) and every day is an internal conflict with no forthcoming solution.
i've got my answer (and i like it) but i'm just posing the question for now.
jey-eff how much do ya think i could git for my voivod e.p. picturedisc?? (you know if you didn't send me stamps you'd never have got shit.. i gotta be poor!)
Message 95/103 09-Apr-03 @ 08:02 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 96/103 09-Apr-03 @ 08:05 PM - RE: Ironic
Message 97/103 09-Apr-03 @ 09:17 PM - RE: Ironic
I am not defending america. I am well aware that this place, as all big govt systems get, is out of control, and is founded on "bullying" (oversimplification)
I defend the BASIS...the idealistic foundation...what things were supposed to be, because I truly admire the ideal.
simple as that.
calling me a fascist is ludicrous.
oh..and about inner conflict? HELL YES!
but Ill tell you what:
show me an option. Show me a better way, and Im there. Im already doing my best to live 'right' as I can, but I would be the first to admit that I am a LONG way off from being anywhere near...in tune....not a parasite
and yes, I am sometimes ashamed of this
but the fact remains that 99% of you just sit there and complain, and call yourselves clever for it! If youre so concerned OFFER SOLUTIONS!
and I say Zinn for president. Does THAT validate my fascism?
Message 98/103 09-Apr-03 @ 11:47 PM - RE: Ironic
my solution is to laugh more at jokes and not take yourself so seriously.
Message 99/103 10-Apr-03 @ 02:00 AM - RE: Ironic
Message 100/103 10-Apr-03 @ 07:47 AM Edit: 10-Apr-03 | 07:55 AM - RE: Ironic
Some nicely paid jobs in Florida:
The American fast food giant Taco Bell has been buying tomatoes produced by slave and sweatshop labour, according to a group of Florida tomato pickers who held a 10-day hunger strike outside the company's headquarters.
Some of the tomato pickers earn barely one cent - less than a penny - for each pound of tomatoes picked and others have been forced to work under threat of violence in what has been classified as slavery by law enforcement agencies.
"Taco Bell has a policy that it will not buy food from contractors that mistreat animals," said Lucas Benitez, a hunger striker and one of the leaders of the Coalition of Immokalee Workers, which is spearheading the campaign. "All we are asking is that they have the same policy for humans."
HERE (taco bell slavery) is a google link.. strangely FOX News hasn't been covering this in any great depth....
Message 101/103 10-Apr-03 @ 05:29 PM - RE: Ironic
for the record, since you answered influx, my solution is as follows: many characteristics of the 'u.s.' ie. those who are related to what that string represents are intrinsic to life itself. i've got no problem declaiming something manifest in the u.s. w/o necessarily stating that it's globally (ie. universally, not planetwide) pertinent.
the fact that so many intelligent people don't recognise that life is in and of itself, uncool, does not surprise me, but it's a good argument for my conciousness being distinctly seperate in nature from those simulacrums presented to me on the physical plane, ie. you.
consuming to perpetuate existence is rigged, as a life-mechanism and manifest in capitalism. it's a manipulative device. while i'm here, i see no harm in pointing this out to any possible parallel intelligences who haven't had the perspective to determine this possibility.
the onset of life is such a massive change that there's no continuity to provide any reason to recollect existence before life. i guess it doesn't really matter, i just hate to see so many people enjoy life instead of detest it.
pop! goes the weasel.
Message 102/103 10-Apr-03 @ 05:48 PM Edit: 10-Apr-03 | 05:48 PM - RE: Ironic
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He said simulacrum.
I think cat lifeforms are cool. Humans will likely perish though they may dream of Mars-conquest.
Physical life is just vicious but I'm not convinced that we people are just the physical part. Of course a bunch are, hence funeral homes and weeping over someone's "death" blablabla
Look at the round kitty! She's not quite as round anymore.
Message 103/103 10-Apr-03 @ 05:50 PM - RE: Ironic
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