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Original Message 1/57 20-Apr-03 @ 07:58 AM - 420
Happy 4/20 my fellow puffers... How long since ya rolled one REALLY fat?
psy
Message 2/57 20-Apr-03 @ 02:00 PM - RE: 420
Since you are there and I am here, and we can't celebrate together this year, I wish you the very best 420 EVER! Although I must say I feel for you......... What kind of celebratory events do you have scheduled with your parents??? Just wondering........
:P
Trills
Message 5/57 20-Apr-03 @ 03:43 PM - RE: 420
do smoke up!
Message 6/57 20-Apr-03 @ 06:02 PM - RE: 420
This is what I THOUGHT you were talking about.
Message 8/57 21-Apr-03 @ 02:08 AM - RE: 420
guess who wants you stoned and complacent and just neatly in your place...bein happy?
and ready to cough up the cash for the bag....?
none other.
Message 9/57 21-Apr-03 @ 03:15 AM - RE: 420
it's weird but i've never met anyone who could tell me what this actually meant. it's always...just well....time to get high!
haha....yes.
as the sheep remain inside their pen....
i mean seriously....occasionally is cool.
shit i was smokin when i was twelve. dealin by 14. quit sellin at 15. it's no big. it's everywhere. any kid child grandma can get it.
yeah red comes by last night knocking round ten thirty~?~?~ i'm like huh??!!! red: oh...forgot my jacket in this chick's car. can i borrow yours? btw...wanna smoke one!?!?!?
not really redman but you go ahead.
here's a jacket.
Message 10/57 21-Apr-03 @ 04:43 AM - RE: 420
btw 420 has as many supposed origins as there are ways to smoke, but I'm not gonna list them all.
and no, i'm not packing bowls at 4:19 anymore. It's just that April 20th is a sort of holiday just for us, so what's the harm in celebrating?
and maarten, LOFL!!!
psy
Message 11/57 21-Apr-03 @ 04:52 AM - RE: 420
Im all for smokin pot (actually wish I could sometimes) but man..my stoner housemates think Im the fucking MAID or something.
sit down, take a bong rip, and NOTHING gets done. EVER. wack
Message 12/57 21-Apr-03 @ 05:31 AM - RE: 420
especially when you got millions and millions of little kids running the streets going 4-twenty man....yeah here's my mom's twenty. i'm just seeing some deeper aryan power structure ...going...tisk....yeah four-twenty kiddies. do smoke the good leaf. keep the ghetto where it belongs. i'd definitely love to hear what the true meaning is....and it just seems so weird that whoever construed this numerical symbol of good times and fellowship with nature etc.....would just be conscious enough to pick the day of the birth of the world's greatest mass-murderer ever.
it's just one of the ultimate weirdnesses if you ask me.
Message 13/57 21-Apr-03 @ 05:42 AM - RE: 420
ok, here's a rundown of theories if etymology is SO important:
some dudes in SoCal started it as an after-school event.
there are 420 chemicals in pot (not true)
420 is the police code somewhere for "pot smoking in progress"
I could go on... I'm sure there's one that leads back to Hitler! Maybe Satan himself!! I mean come on, we're fookin' smoking pot here. And some of us can do it and live happy, productive lives at the same time.
But you keep on tellin' us we're wasting our time, and someday when we're older, we'll understand. Sound familiar, influx? oh, btw, yer right, there's nothing rebellious about smoking pot. The thread was just good natured fun.
So Clay, why drag it back to the Nazis??? Truly unnecessary, maaaaan.
psy
Message 14/57 21-Apr-03 @ 05:58 AM - RE: 420
Trills
Message 15/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:14 AM - RE: 420
and I dont think clay meant "keep it in the ghetto" from HIS voice...
yeah..good hearted fun, no doubt.
but trill...celebrate something you believe in? ITS FUCKIN POT FOR CHRISSAKES!
it really isnt all that special!
and...pot as painkiller, eh? bullshit
Message 16/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:14 AM - RE: 420
And clay... this is like the fourth time you've dropped "redman's" name. Is this the real deal Redman? If so how did you meet him? And why is it so important we know he smokes pot at your house?
psy
Message 17/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:19 AM Edit: 21-Apr-03 | 07:14 AM - RE: 420
it really isnt all that special!
and...pot as painkiller, eh? bullshit"
influx, you're right, it wouldn't BE a big deal if they just legalized it. But by pushing it to the "underground," now it's a "big deal" to smoke pot, because you can go to jail for it! The irony of course being that it's easier to get than alcohol and everyone's doing it.
And while I don't believe medical marijuana should be the main focus of the legalization movement, I don't think it should be denied just because some who proclaim its justice have ulterior motives [;)] (they wanna get high). The fact is there are countless testimonials from people who are dying and in pain who say pot helps them. Who the fuck are you to tell them they're wrong??
psy
Message 18/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:28 AM - RE: 420
i also understand that it's a wonderful thing to relax with and enjoy when you're with good friends and sharing and communion are part of the exercise....or ritual. i understand it can bring people together as barriers are broken down and certain levels of consciousness can be achieved which couldn't be achieved otherwise. i've probably smoked a couple busloads of weed in my day....and yes....drawing, painting....or just goofing...i used to love surfing, in fact...really high.
but what i'm trying to say and probably missing here is that it does all-too-often become what i refer to as a crutch. i knew two guys who were quite close who used to laugh at me and say...clay...lighten up...you think too much and they'd laugh and yuk about...and yet they were so reliant upon their joint to keep em smiling...they weren't truly able to smile without it.
first thing in the mroning....bong.
every day for a long time.
well...one guy's chick breaks up with him and then the other's...and these two kill themselves.
just emotionally unable to cope.
i know tons of dudes who've easily fallen into the routine (whatever you wan call it) of requiring the numbing which cannabis provides.
not desiring it but requiring it.
this is cool if you can afford the time and....
stuff.
well...youth does have it's own license...so enjoy the pleasures and accompanying insight that sometimes come with this.
anyway....it's cool but i also think if you're going to go to church because you believe in god and it happens to be easter....then it's cool also to enjoy some things unencumbered by the weed.
after a point...it's no longer liberating.
and....we're all different.
anyway...i do appreciate the 420 code explanation.
and yet...one other thing that perplexes me is how i know so many homies (young and OLD) who bless the cane and yet get riled up when i say it should be legal....and free free free.
usually quietly riled up but nevertheless.
well...it's a business too.
if it weren't for the money aspect....
i'd guarantee you there'd be a lot less of it around.
kinda like peace...there's just no money in it....so good luck finding it.
now guns and war....plenty of that.
anyway....
it's all good.
as long as it is.
sorry to come off like some toad....
but hey....
it ain't like i haven't seen what's goin on round
these parts.
be youthful and ignore guys like me.
there's so little joy in wisdom.....
not that i am.
Message 19/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:33 AM - RE: 420
he's red...or we've all called him redman from way back when. he's musical...originally from new orleans and he's cool and he's always welcome. and he's as wild as the weed and his long-ass dreads would ever suggest.
he's definitely a neighborhood fixture though and got his own small-time fame. sings for a hard-rock band and is also quite a rapper.
i just wish he'd get a watch and remember his jacket sometime.
Message 20/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:35 AM - RE: 420
Ya know influx, this remark, coming from someone who lives in CA, where, correct me if I'm wrong here, medical use of marijuana is legal, seems a bit uneducated and arrogant. Have you ever used marijuana for medicinal reasons?? I HAVE. When I was being treated for severe migraines, my neurologist told me that if smoking herb helped ease my pain, then for no reason should I stop. I work in the medical industry, but I am not by any means a doctor. BUT, I have very close relationships with many physicians who also believe that use of marijuana for reasons such as glaucoma, nausea, headaches, crohn's disease, chronic pain, cancer, AIDS, and many more terribly debilitating, and painful diseases should not only be used freely, but they actually give out this advice to those in need. THAT my friend, has also been decriminalized. Also, Influx, I for one would love to celebrate a plant that has so many wonderful uses. Food, fuel, textiles, medicine......I think these things are a little more important than being forced to send out roses and chocolate on 2/14 for something that should be uncondtional. You Know Influx, day after day I read your posts on DT and I am always very surprised and often enjoy your arguments. You seem to be a very intelligent open person, and that is cool. But come on man, be serious. You are the LAST person I could see getting into this argument, on the other side. Please, join us in the sex and beer chat. I'd love to continue this conversation in real time.
trills
Message 21/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:42 AM - RE: 420
also met bowie...peter gabriel...bryan ferry...interviewed the stranglers...x...darby crash's last interview before he od'd....pete shelley...john cale...lou reed...iggy pop....talking heads. and yeah....red!!!! my man! you'll probably hear em on a track one day.....hopefully. but i swear the pot don't help his memory. it might help some things but NOT his memory!
Message 22/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:46 AM - RE: 420
I used to be all up the ass of the church, youth group leader and all that. The Christian analogy used to work quite nicely for me. But this is just some history...
This morning was the "contemporary service" with the "uplifting" melodies of Christian rock. To each his own, but the pot really helped me to draw my own personal analogies from the otherwise meandering and pointless sermon (even my mom the superchristian agreed it was "bullshit"), and to laugh at and enjoy the ridiculousness of the music instead of be annoyed by it. Not a knock at Xtian music, more a knock at our church's band and singers. The drummer, oh lol, i wish i had an mp3... and the offeratory anthem sung 1.5 steps above the band was truly hard to keep a straight face through... even for the sober members of the congregation.
I know where you're coming from Clay, and I respect your age and experience. But don't you know any SUCCESSFUL potheads? I do. It's a shame if you don't, because they exist. But ya know what ya know I guess. Do you really think those guys failed because of pot, though? Or did the pot just amplify a more deep-routed problem in their decision-making skills? anyway, it's all good... theories....
But NAZI'S??? Dude, did you really think I was going there? [laughing]
psy
Message 24/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:50 AM - RE: 420
Message 25/57 21-Apr-03 @ 06:50 AM - RE: 420
Message 26/57 21-Apr-03 @ 07:12 AM - RE: 420
if I break my arm, and smoke some weed, its still gonna hurt just as bad. Truly my bad for takin things so literally.
I wholeheartedly endorse the legality of it, but only, ONLY because I hate the illegality!
I laugh at most of the "medical marijuana" people because theyre far too often just stoned granolas...ulterior indeed.
but nor do I think someone should be jailed for smokin...except..uh...where? utah? arizona? fuck both those places anyway!
I wasnt arguing against weed. never will. I argue FOR someone's right to do whatever the fuck they want, whenever, and (pretty much) wherever they want, as long as it doesnt affect anyone else negatively.
I do, definitely, get tired of people that feel the need to ANNOUNCE themselves. pot, tattoos, piercings (my favorite are the stupid bitch sorority girls that INSIST on showing you their fucking tongue hole or belly button ring. lamers)
so trillium...ditto on the respect thing cuz from what I remember youre one well-spoken and well-versed individual, and if youre one of them doper types well more power to ya! just dont run around "la la la look at me I smoke pot" cuz I'll sneer at ya;)
Message 27/57 21-Apr-03 @ 07:22 AM - RE: 420
I like you Influx.
Trills
Message 28/57 21-Apr-03 @ 07:24 AM - RE: 420
"...ulterior indeed. "
Doh, you got me, but I fixed it! relieved to hear your clarification...
I gotta say tho, I admit I don't really do much to help legalize pot. I don't give any money to NORML or go to any rallies or anything like that. So in that way, I'm a hippocrite by saying I want pot to be legalized.
The only way I can even start to rectify this, at least in my mind, is to be very honest with my pot smoking habit, even to the point of glorifying it. I'll even tell a client straight up that I smoke pot. Because I feel myself to be successful at what I do, and I'm very happy with a loving wife and a really fulfilling life (though FAR from perfect), I think it's my duty to show people that pot and life can coexist. That's why I keep talking about it. That and sometimes I run out of shit to say, and I like to talk!
I also think pot only makes people feel stupid because we all tend to "agree" that pot makes you stupid. Stereotypes are human-bourne... but that's just more of my hippy shit, so I'll stop there... ;)
psy
Message 29/57 21-Apr-03 @ 09:24 AM - RE: 420
Message 30/57 21-Apr-03 @ 10:44 AM - RE: 420
lol! ahahahahahahahahahaha!
please say that was a joke?
no, really? :D
Message 33/57 21-Apr-03 @ 02:56 PM - RE: 420
i never said totally pointless.....but this works just as well...the forum. you tell me you guys are in the room "all the time" and that's really what i'm talking about. i'd probably be in "there..."all the time" too! i dig a good, if even goofy, debate sometimes> and here it's something everyone can check later.
a response would still be there even after i got home from work.
same with e-mail. 2 out of 3 ain't so bad...is it?
like yours last night psy...you are funny when you're ON!!!!
seriously!
i went to bed laughing still.
Message 34/57 21-Apr-03 @ 03:18 PM - RE: 420
hot boxxxin the sheeed baby
prolly off subject, knowing threads around here
Message 35/57 21-Apr-03 @ 04:03 PM - RE: 420
there are those that question this right...but hey...i don't play that.
Message 36/57 21-Apr-03 @ 05:35 PM - RE: 420
And what's all this with the "cane"? We're talking about pot here, not blow. Unless yer using some geeza term i'm unfamiliar with
psy
Message 37/57 21-Apr-03 @ 05:37 PM - RE: 420
You seem both productive and emotionaly stable (in so far as such conclusions can be met on-line). There's tons of emotionaly unstable people... lots of them take drugs... this doesn't make drugs bad. It's an idiots arguement. Pot does some damage, but your pretty clear here that you know the damage and you're a BIG KID so you make your own decisions.
Happy 4-20! Sorry if your high got f+cked up by the self righteous!
e
Message 38/57 21-Apr-03 @ 07:03 PM - RE: 420
you/your meaning no-one in particular just in case the trigger happy crew get busy.
Message 39/57 21-Apr-03 @ 07:27 PM - RE: 420
sorry psy..happy fuckin 4-20..er...4-21 now
Message 40/57 21-Apr-03 @ 09:01 PM - RE: 420
Homey just wants to say, "Hey"... but can't do it without a socio-political thread on the ill's of both society and mairjuana and how the two are interrelated in the wreckage of the human spirit. Or something!
e
Message 41/57 21-Apr-03 @ 10:28 PM - RE: 420
once again...sorry for hijackin your thread, psy...but to be honest I kinda dig how many turns discussions take here!
Message 42/57 21-Apr-03 @ 11:11 PM - RE: 420
psy
Message 43/57 21-Apr-03 @ 11:14 PM - RE: 420
I don't think he's talkin' about the Easter Bunny! This thread is full of posts that rag this way and that about pot use...
OK, maybe Psy doesn't take 4-20 as seriously as some folks take their special days, but I swear to god, saying happy secretaries day around here lately results in a handful of high and mighties shouting back and forth about whether or not secretaries help or distract... I'm Soooooo included in this... but it just does seem like everyone's "RIGHT" lately!
I blame Bush!
e
Message 44/57 22-Apr-03 @ 12:10 AM - RE: 420
my beef is with people who feel the need to announce things.
fuckin NIKE nailed it with the just do it crap.
not directed at anyone in particular, here.
Message 45/57 22-Apr-03 @ 04:40 AM - RE: 420
you can see how self-righteous i am.
let me know.
Message 46/57 22-Apr-03 @ 06:51 AM - RE: 420
No I'm in Sacramento... And I don't REALLY think you're self-righteous. It's not just you... It's just lately a lot of people on this site (myself included) have been a bit "edgy" and seem to be difficult just to be difficult! I was just being difficult about that!
Might be playing down in SD this summer... will definately be in town! But I warn you, I know Jedi Mind Tricks!!!
e
Message 47/57 22-Apr-03 @ 07:22 AM - RE: 420
hahahahaha, i amuse me.
Message 48/57 22-Apr-03 @ 12:56 PM - RE: 420
Message 49/57 22-Apr-03 @ 03:25 PM - RE: 420
okay...so jedi mind-match it shall be.
coffee or beer...you name the liquid~
let me know when you're down and around....
Message 51/57 22-Apr-03 @ 06:57 PM Edit: 22-Apr-03 | 06:58 PM - RE: 420
Are you sure that's not the long lost, Random Cocteau Twins Song Title Generator ???
Message 54/57 23-Apr-03 @ 06:54 AM - RE: 420
but only elizabeth knows, eh?
i still feel blue bell knoll was a peak for modern western music...of course, only one of several peaks...but nevertheless!!!
Message 55/57 23-Apr-03 @ 07:09 AM - RE: 420
So there you have it!
e
Message 56/57 23-Apr-03 @ 07:43 AM - RE: 420
that must've been some good coffee!
Message 57/57 23-Apr-03 @ 07:44 AM - RE: 420
hahaha. i've known people to grow fond of my old funky jackets.
what's with that?
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