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Original Message 1/31 04-Jun-03 @ 11:47 AM - change

cheddar

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I am interested in change. On one hand I think the world doesn't and the change is in my perception, on the other events/movements such as the internet comes along unifying and changing practices. Then again i think it doesn't matter and experience/knowledge is some means to a scale to allow measurement

Whatever, my comment is about change. I say that there are large modifiers in action at this time (media and content blurring (data/information/knowledge), unification of language, cultural convergence (including political and commercial) continental state formation, accepted derision of 'liberal (whatever that means) values and increasing military build up in the absence of opposition.

So the question is - WFT is going on

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Message 2/31 04-Jun-03 @ 12:45 PM - RE: change

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ive got change of a fiver?

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Message 3/31 04-Jun-03 @ 11:47 PM - RE: change

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no change will truly happen until the majority of humanity realizes that nothing is changing at all.

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Message 4/31 05-Jun-03 @ 12:18 AM - RE: change

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It's all changing all the time. Every moment is different than the last, even your body (which seems so solid) is constantly shifting and changing, new cells replace dieing cells, the molecular structure constantly reorganizing itself. Nothing is permanent, everything is constantly shifting, changing.

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Message 5/31 05-Jun-03 @ 01:20 AM - RE: change

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yeah, but don't you get the feeling that all that change that doesn't really change anything, is just a distorted representation of some unchanging truth?

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Message 6/31 05-Jun-03 @ 05:26 AM - RE: change

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kinda like the same old "new" thread....but alas....it iS a new thread...a new day....
a new millenium....
the dinosaurs would tell you.

change is slow and .....just like our tv minds.....though we think so fast....we're REALLY not.

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Message 7/31 05-Jun-03 @ 05:37 AM - RE: change

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The only reason all that change seems to be innefective is because we are terrified of change. The idea that a efemeral "i" doesn't exist, that we have no solid foundation, is unnacceptable to us, so we pretend there is no change.

Perhaps the original post was more about political/social change... but honestly, such things are just humorous displays when you consider the constant flux, or... the notion that every new moment has pure potential... is pregnant with infinite possibility!

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Message 8/31 05-Jun-03 @ 10:25 AM - RE: change

beds

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i hope i'm not pregnant. that really would need more of a change than i could handle.

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Message 9/31 05-Jun-03 @ 12:57 PM - RE: change

cheddar

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but really is the future unwritten

so all this change goes on (state to state) but if it is all a pattern or some chemical or other inevitability then it isn't change its cycle of path

Then experience (cheesey metaphore of doors in corridors or windows etc) closes doors and makes the infinate finite or possibly even inevitable

"no change will truly happen until the majority of humanity realizes that nothing is changing at all. " thats cool especially when history tells us that we do the same things again and again (at a 'major event' level which if you think about it is fair enough as it is a composite of influence and so more relevant to comparison over time (like if i said you would choose teh blue one you would be more or less likely to choose the blue one))

I did think later after i posted that i didn't put down the q and i suppose it is an old one of is power such a short sighted basterd and always has been (it is just me with increasing knowledge/experience assimilating this larger (doubtless personal) 'truth') OR is the world becomming a shittier place - especially as the leaders reference history more than the public

MCC "though we think so fast....we're REALLY not. " but topographically 'fast' may have little to do with net distance travelled, like my memories of being speeded up lots of stuff but all shit

e "because we are terrified of change. The idea that a efemeral "i" doesn't exist, that we have no solid foundation, is unnacceptable to us, so we pretend there is no change. " - but what about learning or self fullfilment (be all you can be - is one of yours)

I don't want to get into 'original' or semantics of 'change' i just wonder about cycles and drivers of chaos and possibility being represented in teh term CHANGE

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Message 10/31 05-Jun-03 @ 02:27 PM - RE: change

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all things in their own time.
it'll either happen or not.

just do your best to do your part.

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Message 11/31 05-Jun-03 @ 07:19 PM - RE: change

xoxos

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no balls clay

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Message 12/31 05-Jun-03 @ 11:22 PM - RE: change

man called clay

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let's meet xoxos...you're in san diego right?

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Message 13/31 05-Jun-03 @ 11:32 PM - RE: change

psylichon

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uh oh

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Message 14/31 05-Jun-03 @ 11:38 PM - RE: change

man called clay

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i'm guessing you're up at ucsd a lot spending 2 generations of banker-daddy's money on your graduate program?
that's ballsy!

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Message 15/31 05-Jun-03 @ 11:49 PM - RE: change

man called clay

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it's okay though....some of my best friends are non-stop shit-talking multi-generation sons-of-bankers.
the rest are just average sons-of-bitches....with names like joe...jd....red.

none of this zoro shit.

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Message 16/31 05-Jun-03 @ 11:55 PM - RE: change

psylichon

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Why are you such a shit-talker clay? You're just as weird as xoxos, don't be jealous.

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Message 17/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:05 AM - RE: change

man called clay

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psy....you get back to your struggles my good man.
keep love alive~

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Message 18/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:14 AM - RE: change

Meriphew

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I changed my mind once.

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Message 19/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:23 AM - RE: change

psylichon

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yes, sir... please, continue....

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Message 20/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:37 AM - RE: change

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Why do people have to analyze stuff so much ? all this bollocks about change and seeing way too much into things. There are things we cant change not matter how passionate we are about it, governments, third world debt, famine, abolishing speed limits and drink driving limits..etc.

Just live your life. Dont get too deep about it.

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Message 21/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:41 AM - RE: change

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personally....i can abide a good honest argument. but this starts to remind me a little of that SS guy who told me to never write him...he was never gonna respond to my shit and then starts up with all that feces fallin off my face crap....and e-mailing ME all the time???!?!?!

xoxos asked me to step back and give it a rest at one time and i DID....totally.

but now his pussy-finger comes back in my chest claiming>>>> i got no balls.
that's crazy...stupid.
oh well....
i've yet to meet the man who stepped up HARD on
me and profited greatly as a result.
it's always the little rich kids too....for some reason. ANGRY THEY ARE.

and believe me...many have tried.
i guess they know that daddy is a terd and they are of his loins....and thusly i got NO BALLS>
i'll be here in san diego a LONG time.
something to do with the weather.

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Message 22/31 06-Jun-03 @ 12:46 AM - RE: change

mcc

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exactly jock~ what i said was all things in their time. which means.....
reality happens.
and some putz intewectual crybaby vst-i designer wants to tell me...nO! no! change!!!...balls! balls!
we need balls! we need rapid change. my daddy is a bank manager.

you still need him to pay those lawyer fees were you ever to get into major trouble.
right?
chill.

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Message 23/31 06-Jun-03 @ 05:16 PM - RE: change

xoxos

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do try to pay attention clay, it is your thread after all :p

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Message 24/31 06-Jun-03 @ 05:42 PM - RE: change

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mcc:"balls! balls! we need balls! we need rapid change.
my daddy is a bank manager. "

what's with the obsession about the bank manager
thing. you seem to be clutching it with a death-grip ever
since it was mentioned.

do you feel your balls are in danger. or just can't bear
the thought that you're seen as not having any. in any
case your defensive maneuver is severely transparent.

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Message 25/31 06-Jun-03 @ 07:20 PM - RE: change

cheddar

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washed

wiafs and strays

is this the definition of us and them. History (as well as most science) springs from a categorisation philosophy, which sadly was applied within populations of the same species. A perfectly understandable trait as it coddles 'I' and gives weight and profit to 'us'.

I was walking down a street in Reading (England) - its quite a nasty place, 100 years ago it was a villaige now it is a concrete place full of overpaid IT guys and BMW's, anyway, I was seeing this guy walking toward me down the town centre, he was wearing a pringle golf sweater and under it (and with the logo just visible over the neck of the sweater) a paul smith T shirt. Now i do not say this to piss on the guys choice or lack of dick, sorry financial sense- it is to introduce an evolutionary mechanism found in all rich ecologies. Difference (ahh change after all). Think of parrots in the savannah or fish in the barrier reef, so many colours

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Message 26/31 07-Jun-03 @ 12:27 AM - RE: change

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and Paul Smiths 'evolutionary mechanism' is quite interesting - started as a buyer for Courtaulds I beleive, grew to own a huge clothing empire

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Message 27/31 07-Jun-03 @ 04:06 AM - RE: change

mcc~

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i'm envisioning a crowd of merry noise-makers all beating their drums and blowing their whistles in hopes that pan might stop pummelling himself silly.
but only pan knows the color red.

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Message 28/31 07-Jun-03 @ 10:47 AM - RE: change

pan flute

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Michael Jordan makes more money from Nike annually than all
of the Nike factory workers in Malaysia
combined.

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Message 29/31 07-Jun-03 @ 03:20 PM - RE: change

xoxos

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you could have accepted it as a difference in philosophy, or praised me for my passion, but nooooo.... had to drag it down into the mud. ooga booga

i'd rather die by a dream than live by a lie.. y'hear?

xoxos

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Message 30/31 07-Jun-03 @ 05:15 PM - RE: change

mcc~

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from what i've gathered about your dreams....this is what i was quite afraid of.
but there is little pretense in mud.
small consolation if it helps.

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Message 31/31 08-Jun-03 @ 04:59 PM - RE: change

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change is just so often in the unseeable.

3 boats sail west.

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