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Original Message 1/43 07-Jun-03 @ 04:15 PM - xoxos vs. clay
come on, mud-man, let's demonstrate
our contestants: xoxos, pure abstraction, meme, plain old consideration, love, and boy, love can be tough..
clay: base form, malleable, returns to itself, everyman's man, earthbound and humble, let's rumble..
what hand shapes you, oh clay.. perhaps you are the foundation upon which pyramids are built..
is it love that causes you to offer your hand, "brother, are we not so different.. come, know peace, be mud with me.. look on the bright side, forget your troubles"
earth-captive! beetho! "accept.."
child and still yet father of flesh! what spirit it may possess.. a clod.. does iteration renew the spirit?
are you 'down' with calling people 'dawg?' lowest common debilitator, prideful of being humble "grr, i said join me, brotherr..."
didn't i tell you once where i'm from? didn't i tell you once where i'm from? aah, dull, little light
"aah, sorry dawg, my bad" echoes until the feedback overdrives and cracks the amp, sad mongoloid children bumping onto each other on the playground, laughing and tearing at the weak, pustulent skin, and laughing, laughing as ice crystals jut through the skull
are you clay? is that what you aspire to be? are you proud that this is what you are, acceptance is your great proclamation?
hiphop! cobblestone!
dude, your music is like being clubbed to the ground by inbred cops
Message 3/43 07-Jun-03 @ 05:12 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
level?
keep that dream a-coming.
i'm guessing it's back and forth between mandeville and third college for you?
Message 5/43 07-Jun-03 @ 07:17 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
keep it clean and mean it
Message 7/43 08-Jun-03 @ 03:01 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
joyously costumed for halloween.
perhaps there bears a resemblance between said contestants and these children and> yet.....
there's a marked difference.
neither xoxos or i had been burdened with any physiological malfacency except for being downright prideful, pompous, and arrogant....
egotisitical to the core and for me always ready to battle when a good clean philosophical exchange has to go places where it shouldn't.
i can recall numerous instances where my desire was to establish some sort of dialogue that might've led to some understanding....perhaps as decidedly different sorts of individuals and yet open-minded enough to accept some learning was possible via serious and honest exchange.
when said exchange became burdensome to my
cohort.....upon his request....i backed off.
and then later i get basically called a pussy.
someone with no balls.
and now this....which is basically nonsense...except to say that there still lies
within me the ever-present intrinsic need to share and communicate that which is sometimes taken for granted between human beings.
personally, i've always felt there was a lot to be learned by me being here at dancetech.
and sometimes it's just about havin a larf.
perhaps most importantly it's about just simply gaffin at life.
i guess where i differ is that i am basically humble and honest and do truly know what it means to experience serious trouble and pain in a way which
is difficult for me to even describe here.
so i don't even really bother trying.
gangsters.
police.
casino people.
intellectuals.
department heads.
every sort of charlatan and derelict.
phonies.
wise men. madmen.
all sorts of ladies.
and hard work. harder than anyone here could imagine.
drunks and musicians too.
as for anyone being purely abstract....
perhaps on a computer screen.....but once something is even dEfined as purely abstract it starts to possess definition....which certainly makes it less abstract.
and virtual ukelele music isn't really that abstract is it?
i'm more than prone to any argument regards my music or anyone else's.....
gay police pummelings or otherwise....
but i really don't see the point unless done in a
format which allows for a shrug and laugh occasionally.
to me it's often been about knocking the dirt off of each other and splitting a few beers.
of course, i DO expect to get my teeth kicked in for this....
but i got my frederick kruger mask on.
it's what keeps me happy.
clay
Message 9/43 08-Jun-03 @ 03:28 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
or with something you have some command over.
because you ain't saying nothing new here.....ya twit.
Message 10/43 08-Jun-03 @ 03:33 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Message 11/43 08-Jun-03 @ 03:37 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
and you're pummelling yourself again.
you know the story about the boy who cried wolf.
go read it if you've forgotten it.
pretty soon there will be no merry whistle blowers or drum beaters.
just you beating on yourself...that mighteeee
chest of yours.
Message 14/43 08-Jun-03 @ 06:46 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
nor do i call people bitch.
or ho.
some imagination you got. ....well....at least you're being creative.
thusly the poetry.
do savor the victory. you really seemed to need this one.
Message 15/43 08-Jun-03 @ 02:27 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
you dodge like one, specifically with the 'poor me' stuff.
not to be repetitious, but you spout humility so
proudly...surely you see that? with the *reason* being
upholding the greater good of humanity through this
seasoned grasp of communication of yours [seemingly].
just seems an odd route. this isn't an attack, but your
way of reasoning [and apologist, self-excusing
response] seems almost cult-generated.
Message 16/43 08-Jun-03 @ 02:49 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
i'm not aware of the specific teachings of scientology and, frankly, am not really that interested. i am, however, taken by surprise when seemingly intelligent people can jump into civil discussions and heap belligerent slogans and accusation upon people....especially those whom it has been requested of to keep a respectful distance.
and especially when sloganeer claims to be "totally done"...as to explaining himself.
as for the 'woe is me" aspect of my character....sure, it can be deemed a flaw but it
suggests not much other than the fact that i've seen a lot. and know all-too-well that it takes less than a provocative argument to incite stupidity in others. i.e. jealousy, greed, mob mentality....
wanton desire for destruction.
but yes....these experiences don't set me apart from others. they just deepen my conviction that it's always okay to try to find a middle ground for understanding.
it's simply worth it sometimes to just let the bullshit go and get to the things one enjoys in life.
this is easier than for others.
for some, it's simply impossible.
i strive to be party to the first group.
it's just a different sort of victory, i guess.
neverthless, it's one i believe in.
mcc~
Message 17/43 08-Jun-03 @ 07:13 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
now I do
Message 20/43 08-Jun-03 @ 08:09 PM Edit: 08-Jun-03 | 08:10 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Message 21/43 08-Jun-03 @ 08:47 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
all pose, no substance is my call..
'i ever so humble'
except when someone mentions the cojones, then you want to come to my house and show me "how hard you work"
~*~ come on, man! ~*~
as to me "being in san diego.." where i am, clay? makes note.. 'allegedly humble, but may have difficulty acknowledging error..'
you said something to the effect of "few have benefitted from a conflict with me.." and this is where we differ.. i try and ensure that EVERYONE who conflicts with me benefits.. aah, you see? what a divine opportunity.. 'spirit vs. clay..' too good to pass up. and thus, i demonstrate....
dear clay, is this really humility, to pronounce your humility? you radiate that, in some manner or essence, we are all basically the same, and that this is somehow good.. you're crushed before you're out of the gate like that.. like music made of endlessly repeating notes, the semblance innocuous, but does it uplift the mind, or quagmire?
i understand hinduism fears the heaven-world more than the hell..
"..when i was your age.." "..when you grow older.." fit the mold, fill the form, GET IN THAT MOLD DAMMIT i can smell it on you.. that pyramidal-base stink.. "hold them to you, cling, be as one.." 'frieeennndd..' 'broootherrr...' face melts
'beeeeerrr....'
here's my creaky-voice: i see a pigeon.. pyramid's pigeon.. clay pigeon..
what do they like to call it.. 'stoic?' 'ye do whut ye kin and find yer peace with thet.. efter awl, i have my frends un kin, en thet's awl a gud men neyds ayuneewayuh'
hard work.. deserves sympathy, but respect? you gotsta be kidding me..
first they kill your ability to dream, the rest follows with nothing to lead it.. placeholder.. yes, i am a dreamer..
dream, clay, dream BIG, because when your head is in the clouds, comments about your balls are beneath you
Message 22/43 08-Jun-03 @ 08:52 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
but then again, I cant really make any promises.
this one's weird tho
Message 23/43 08-Jun-03 @ 10:12 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
it's NOT like this kind of attention is THAT new or anything but from someone with such a manner!!!
wow.
now this IS TRULY something.
were i braver man....i'd muster up the courage to argue endlessly....but about what?
this is what evades me.
but i must say i'm glad my name ain't rurik.
Message 24/43 08-Jun-03 @ 10:33 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
not as they'd intended at least.
a fine distinction...but yes....what i'm saying is that those who strived to "get me" gained some knowledge....but that wasn't what they were looking for. they wanted a piece of me. these pronouncements
were often made in the open and some were more covert. nevertheless.....the intent was clear and yet unachieved.
we need not get into specific scenarios as they have little bearing upon our immediate situation. i dare say, though...when i challenged you on matters before (copyrights etc) i was at least making an honest attempt to make disagreement nothing more than that.
i never mentioned one's manhood.....nor genetic
point of entry into the universe.
and yet you summoned me to reverse and exit.
you said you were done...totally done.
well....this is the basic scenario as i've seen it. me walking through a phalanx of goons saying here i am. and then nothing. and then for weeks or months a bunch of bristling mad little hyenas wanting to get at me. history having taken note of missed opportunities.
well....you're taking that path well.
in fact, you walk it like a master.
and if you say you wanted ME to benefit, then so i will.
i find it difficult to believe anyone can win such a charade of macho intellectual bravado....but you
my good sir do score big points for keeping the issues nebulous and perhaps even nonexistant except that you are obviously bristling....from not sticking/following through with our first row. why you shoooed me away is still unclear to me.
perhaps i was right?
but now we're just children. mere idiots flaying away and about....and you commanding people to pay attention.
you are funny for a guy who shouts death to controllers.
well...the fact of the matter is that a few are paying attention.
but no matter.
you've proven your might.
again....i bow to your ability to dream the good dream. perhaps one day you can quit dividing every camp into mere fragments....and tell us what THAT dream is.
i hope it's not just the one of loosening the yoke your family inheritance has burdened you with...spiritually.....emotionally....and at some point....physically.
it's an inexhaustible quest to rid one's self of the sins of one's father....i.e...slavery, war....murder...theft. but alas...we are all faced with our own individual challenges.
i wish you luck with yours.
and look forward to your next.....
victory speech.
Message 25/43 08-Jun-03 @ 10:45 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
what dream is it that a nihilist dreams? and are you so sure you are indeed a nihilist? since i recall you parading some facts and cautionary conclusions regarding the dangers that a certain dam project in the southwest usa would have on it's immediate environment.
you sounded like peter gabriel for a minute there.
i never said i disagreed with everything you've ever said.
i do agree with the assessment that the dam is dangerous.
but again...are you sure you're a nihilist?
and what dreams do nihilist's dream?
thank you again.
Message 26/43 08-Jun-03 @ 10:47 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
but why dont you guys just fight in email or something?
Message 27/43 08-Jun-03 @ 10:57 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
or a pussy?
Message 29/43 09-Jun-03 @ 08:56 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
And that's a feat.
Honestly... get over yourselves. And be ashamed that I had to tell you that!
psy
Message 30/43 09-Jun-03 @ 10:06 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Next time either of you tell me I waste my time in sex and beer chat, I will laugh harder.
Message 31/43 09-Jun-03 @ 03:05 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
it's always good to find time to laugh.
but like i said...your struggles!! my good happy laughing man!!!!
as a footnote....i did not start this thread.
a good gaff is what it's about tho anyway....yes?
and surely you are pro.
do keep it up.
cheers always.
now back to reality.
Message 32/43 09-Jun-03 @ 07:24 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
it's like when you round third, go on home! don't keep running back to tap third, i know it makes a nice clicky noise, but - play the fucking game then do something different. it embiggens the soul, and you'll understand more too.
Message 33/43 09-Jun-03 @ 11:23 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
But the point, and the play... hmmm, illustrates what I suspect many women think is the problem with Balls in the first place, eh?
e
Message 34/43 09-Jun-03 @ 11:37 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Message 36/43 10-Jun-03 @ 01:25 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
sorry to be such a huge disappointment to you all.
does this mean i'm not invited for thanksgiving?
okay.
so how about hitler's birthday then?
gasp!
i'm sure we can work it out somehow.
well...at least e~ knows how to give it up to a fair effort.
some people just kinda sit there and smirk as if.....ahem>
well....you know.
Message 38/43 10-Jun-03 @ 02:16 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Who knew the term "mongoloid" could be used as many times in a thread? huh.
trill
Message 40/43 10-Jun-03 @ 02:44 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
Message 41/43 10-Jun-03 @ 04:26 AM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
"are we not balls?" kinda ...manner.
you know...just a bit of ad-libbing here and there.
mongoloid>
Message 43/43 10-Jun-03 @ 06:50 PM - RE: xoxos vs. clay
I know, let's just start copy and pasting from the light sabre kid thread!
hehehe
You said "Balls", hehehe!!
e
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