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Subject: Standalone D-A necessary?
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Original Message 1/43 21-Jul-03 @ 05:43 AM - Standalone D-A necessary?
JUST to set levels and panning pretty much, and the output buss. Maybe get one good compressor to put on the mains...
so..at first I thought maybe get like a hammerfall or something...say 16-24adat outs, and then maybe a Swissonic DA24 or the like
and then I thought well hell...two delta 1010s woud give me 16 outs..or two 2408s?
so my question is, are the DAs on these things "sufficient?" Is it really necessary to get standalone DA converters? Theyre not cheap!
another option would be the Hammerfall with a couple of the 8 out expansions?
and then that goes back to..is there really a point to breaking things out? does it really sound more "open"?
I guess thats why I want to try..to see if I like the way it sounds..you know...crank the channels a bit...see what the FX sound like comin off the PC through a mixer..etc?
hit me with some thought here, fellas! damballah? Psy? Mindspawn? Anyone else with experience with this?
Message 2/43 21-Jul-03 @ 06:28 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
yes, getting your ad and da out of the environs of the computer does help.
Message 3/43 21-Jul-03 @ 06:56 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
But not for what you do. Get a 2408 or Hammerfall (both great converters with expandability) and get the signal in a nice warm board. It will make a difference, especially for drums. But don't be tempted to run EVERYTHING through it.... some things should be clean
psy
Message 4/43 21-Jul-03 @ 07:22 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
I need to research something with 16 analog outs. heck maybe even 24
nah..16 would be enough. group the drums, etc...
Message 5/43 21-Jul-03 @ 08:06 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
I am running three delta 410's (24 outs) through a Mackie 32:8:8 with outboard focusrite compression, Lexicon verbs and TC delays. Best of both worlds I reckon. I'm going to have a ramble now. So I don't use verb, delay or compression plug-ins (but I am after that vintage warmer for indivdual tracks) and I overload the gain pots for distortion so don't bother with distortion plugs either. I think running 24 card outs down a analogue board replaces some of that "digital glassey" sound that some people get when mixing inside the computer. Hope that helps.
Message 6/43 21-Jul-03 @ 08:15 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Ill be using plugins tho. Im not about to go buy racks of gear again.
anyone ever use the old A&H SR series boards? they make a 16...
Message 7/43 21-Jul-03 @ 08:31 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
only need OUTPUT tho!
looked at RME. Get the digi9636 and two AEO-8s, would give me 16 channels of analog out, but on unbalanced cables (they use send/return cables to do it)
looked at ST Audio, too, but to get 16ch would require TWO dsp24 cards, and TWO of DACIIIs
then theres M-Audio, and I guess I could get two delta 1010s, or two 410s, but I dont like the RCAs on the 410s
heh.
Message 10/43 21-Jul-03 @ 10:20 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
psy
Message 11/43 21-Jul-03 @ 10:23 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 12/43 21-Jul-03 @ 01:54 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
-Craig
Message 13/43 21-Jul-03 @ 03:03 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 14/43 21-Jul-03 @ 04:12 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
-Craig
Message 15/43 21-Jul-03 @ 06:46 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
but..what about the issues with MOTU and PCs?
too bad they dont just make a 24O!
Message 16/43 21-Jul-03 @ 08:03 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
i think it's an old issue.
Message 17/43 21-Jul-03 @ 09:01 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
-Craig
Message 18/43 21-Jul-03 @ 10:02 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
so the 24IO runs on a PCI424 card then?
I'ma have a looksee
Message 19/43 21-Jul-03 @ 10:12 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
psy
Message 21/43 22-Jul-03 @ 11:41 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
as for having the converters on the card, inside the PC - not that important. the lynx cards have their converters onboard, and i don't know of any better sounding cards than those. the quality of design of the converter stage is FAR more important than where it's placed
Message 22/43 22-Jul-03 @ 01:49 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
-Craig
Message 23/43 22-Jul-03 @ 06:00 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
that makes me hesitant
but..the RME might be the cheapest solution. I wish I could put TWO AE8s on the 96/8, but alas, only one
Message 24/43 22-Jul-03 @ 08:38 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 25/43 22-Jul-03 @ 09:04 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
argh argh argh argh ARGH!
Message 26/43 22-Jul-03 @ 10:16 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 27/43 22-Jul-03 @ 10:52 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
whats your take on the internal conversion, d?
Message 28/43 22-Jul-03 @ 10:57 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
if you're still paranoid about internal converters, what about the RME PCI interface coupled with their external Multiface?
Message 30/43 23-Jul-03 @ 12:06 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 31/43 23-Jul-03 @ 05:21 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 32/43 23-Jul-03 @ 06:01 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 33/43 23-Jul-03 @ 08:27 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
RCA..just...doesnt seem like a solid connection for "studio" gear IMO
Message 34/43 23-Jul-03 @ 09:32 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 35/43 23-Jul-03 @ 10:42 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 36/43 24-Jul-03 @ 08:19 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 37/43 24-Jul-03 @ 11:04 AM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Blu
Message 38/43 24-Jul-03 @ 12:41 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Influx tried to be all "technical" but got shot down by J Type!
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Message 39/43 24-Jul-03 @ 02:02 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 40/43 24-Jul-03 @ 03:22 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
Message 41/43 24-Jul-03 @ 06:09 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
whoever you are asshole, why dont you show your "face" if youre gonna talk shit. I didnt get "shot down" in the slightest.
If RCAs are so good, why doesnt anyone use them?
A)because theyre not balanced. Studios often want balanced systems.
b)sorry, but they ARENT solid. Ive seen em snap many times
Message 42/43 24-Jul-03 @ 10:30 PM - RE: Standalone D-A necessary?
why doesn't anyone use them? they do, they're quite popular for S/PDIF i hear :-) it's just that they are for SEMI-PERMANENT connections and aren't meant to be unplugged all the time.
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