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Original Message 1/13 14-Oct-03 @ 04:48 PM - Using Logic with Reason

Benn Two

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Hello,

I am running Logic Plat 5.5 on a decent PC. I want to use the just the sounds in Reason (especially the drums) but sequence and FX through Logic. I know I need Rewire but my question is:- is using Rewire with Reason through Logic stable and bug free?/ Can I do it?

Thank you,

Benn Two

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Message 2/13 14-Oct-03 @ 05:47 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

milan

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you cant sequence reason from logic. you can only get the audio from it into logics mixer.

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Message 3/13 15-Oct-03 @ 10:15 AM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

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what he said.

i've asked this before though (and never checked it out myself) can reason accept midi input? could you use that midi pipe thing (wassitcalled?) and route the midi out of logic into reason.

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Message 4/13 15-Oct-03 @ 10:21 AM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

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that's REWIRE-1, where you route audio ONLY into the host sequencr... REWIRE-2 allows midi to route thru to the rewired device.

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Message 5/13 15-Oct-03 @ 01:01 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

Benn Two

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Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I want to use Reason's drums and a couple of reasons synth but use logic to seqeunce them. Doesn't rewire 2 allow me to use Logic as normal but be able to use reason synths as virtual instruments?

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Message 6/13 15-Oct-03 @ 02:46 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

beds

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logic on pc doesn't allow you to use the logic sequencer to sequence reason. it's crap.

you can use the reason sequencer (oh god no) to do your parts and have the audio rewire into logic though. but that's just shite. might as well sample the drums from reason.

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Message 7/13 15-Oct-03 @ 05:26 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

Benn Two

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Thank you beds. So I can't load the re-drum synth into audio instrument one in Logic and have say a reason kick on C1 on the keyboard? Bet Cubase can do it, eh?

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Message 8/13 15-Oct-03 @ 06:29 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

beds

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that's not the way it works with cubase or sonar really.

rewire works by routing the audio outputs of reason modules into audio tracks in logic or cubase etc.

rewire 2 let you sequence using the host (sonar/cubase) but not with logic on a pc, they never got round to doing it properly. but i still think they might be a way around it with hubi's midi loopback thingy. does that work on xp? anyone?

i'm not about to install reason to try it out meself.

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Message 9/13 15-Oct-03 @ 07:53 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

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yes, sonar & cubase work like that (well cubase does for sure, i cant remember with sonar2 without booting it's host PC up)

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Message 10/13 15-Oct-03 @ 11:03 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

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In Sonar, you open Reason as a "Rewire Device," then you set up your Reason rack as you like, and whatever synths you setup show up as MIDI devices in Sonar, which you can then select as outputs for MIDI tracks and sequence Reason from Sonar. This MIDI routing is what the "2" in Rewire2 gets you.

All 64 virtual outputs from Reason also show up as audio inputs in Sonar, so you can digitally pipe the audio back to Sonar. This is the extent of Rewire1, no MIDI.

The MIDI loopback is a nice idea, beds, but would be rather tedious as Reason only accepts one MIDI port and channel as a source for sequencing. Unless you take your parts as audio one at a time, this is not the way to work.

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Message 11/13 19-Oct-03 @ 02:46 AM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

Brett Electric

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Re: Using Hubi's Looback device or Midi Yoke to overcome the 'no midi from Logic 5.5 to Reason via Rewire 2 under windows' problem.

Firstly Beds, I'm pretty (99%) sure that Hubi's Loopback doesn't work under XP (unless they've just released a new version in the last week or so). Secondly, you can use Midi Yoke under XP, but when you try to use it to trigger Reason from Logic you get about 50 ms latency (very bad) - happens to me, and a lot of other people I've spoken to (any ideas on ways to overcome this would be appreciated of course!).

So from my experience and research you can either:

1. Use Reason's sequencers ie. Matrix etc. (not very handy for a Logic programmer) and just route the audio with Rewire 2.
3. Use Cubase or Sonar which both support midi control to Reason through Rewire 2(again not very handy for a Logic programmer)
2. Upgrade to Macintosh and Logic 6, which supports midi control to Reason through Rewire 2 (not very handy for a PC user).

Those are the options as I see them. I weould be very glad if someone could point out a better one

(please?)

Cheers, Brett.

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Message 12/13 19-Oct-03 @ 10:18 AM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

beds

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if the latency is stable then you can use track delay on your midi. (negative values)

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Message 13/13 19-Oct-03 @ 02:11 PM - RE: Using Logic with Reason

Brett Electric

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True, About -170 seems to get it back in sync for me. But it's a bit of a bummer trying to record a midi part (on a track routed to Reason) in real time with that sort of latency.

psylichon wrote: 'The MIDI loopback is a nice idea, beds, but would be rather tedious as Reason only accepts one MIDI port and channel as a source for sequencing. Unless you take your parts as audio one at a time, this is not the way to work'

I've found that I can route 4 separate virtual midi cables (Midi yoke) to Reason from Logic 5.5. Each cable has 16 channels, so I can trigger note sequences in 64 Reason synths (theoretically, I've only bothered to do 8. Ie. 2 synths on each cable)

Bouncing down to .wav is still a one-at-a-time affair, but I so is bouncing to .wav from ES1 or EVP88 isn't it? So is recording from a hardware synth (unless you have a multi input Sound card).

Good luck if anyone can be bothered - the sequencer in Reason's not that bad is it?

Brett

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