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Subject: midi latency
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Original Message 1/17 17-Dec-03 @ 03:34 PM - midi latency
I am having problems with my midi latency to keyboard.It appears to go out of time with my click track and i have every thing seemingly connected and setup properly.I dont Think its my keyboard or soundcard.When i reset devices it right's its self for a bit and then goes out of sync again i have aterratec sound card and a pretty fast computer
Message 2/17 17-Dec-03 @ 04:05 PM - RE: midi latency
Check your metronome settings. This problem is usually caused by the metronome using the internal sound (i.e. Microsoft sound mapper) as it's reference. Change it and save the song as the new .def file.
sox
sox
Message 3/17 21-Dec-03 @ 06:06 PM - RE: midi latency
Can you play the FM7 synth in realtime from your keyboard? - WHICH Metronome are you using external, xpeaker internal of some sort?
Message 4/17 22-Dec-03 @ 09:14 AM - RE: midi latency
also wondering what is your system pre-roll set to? - what driver is selected in the driver dialog setting also please... what is the latency setting... your PRE-ROLL should be set to the same as the latency which is displayed under the driver select drop-down menu
Message 5/17 22-Dec-03 @ 11:35 AM - RE: midi latency
Thanks to sox and k for the reply, in my first letter i was not very informative so this is a bit more in depth.The metronome i am using is the one on cubase vst 32 and i am using a audio click.If i play a simple bass drum beat along with the click, playing on every click note the first take seems ok,(this is once i have just switched cubase on) but if i try the same procudure again, the second beat gets pulled foreward and every thing goes out of sync giving a juddery effect at the beggining.i'm sure i have every thing set up in the audio system setup and have tried every permutation to do with the disc block buffer sizes and memory per channel.my sound card is a terratec 6 fire 24/96 and i have a athalon 2400cpu.If i go to reset devices it rights it self for approx 2 tales and then goes back out of sync. I hope this is a bit more informative than the first query.Could you also explain how to set my pre-roll latency.Many thanks Ruth.
Message 6/17 22-Dec-03 @ 02:55 PM - RE: midi latency
first
IF it's a VIA chipset on the motherboard, have you applied the Via HYPERIO 4:1 driver set (available from VIA.com) ??
you MUST install this series of drivers.
2. BIOS plug & Play should be switched OFF if it's Win XP
3. which DRIVER is selected in the VST / SYSTEM driver dialog drop-down selector ?? (you didnt answer that)
4. you say - "The metronome i am using is the one on cubase vst 32 and i am using a audio click" - BUT, what is providing the audio sound of the click?... an external midi device? - an internal midi device (s/w drums?) ?? - or perhaps a GM sound?
5. IF a GM sound does this mean your ONBOARD AC97 audio codec is ACTIVE on the motherboard (see BIOS)... having ON-BOARD audio active can cause conflicts with an ADDED PCI audio-card (can, not always)
answer those first please.
IF it's a VIA chipset on the motherboard, have you applied the Via HYPERIO 4:1 driver set (available from VIA.com) ??
you MUST install this series of drivers.
2. BIOS plug & Play should be switched OFF if it's Win XP
3. which DRIVER is selected in the VST / SYSTEM driver dialog drop-down selector ?? (you didnt answer that)
4. you say - "The metronome i am using is the one on cubase vst 32 and i am using a audio click" - BUT, what is providing the audio sound of the click?... an external midi device? - an internal midi device (s/w drums?) ?? - or perhaps a GM sound?
5. IF a GM sound does this mean your ONBOARD AC97 audio codec is ACTIVE on the motherboard (see BIOS)... having ON-BOARD audio active can cause conflicts with an ADDED PCI audio-card (can, not always)
answer those first please.
Message 7/17 23-Dec-03 @ 06:37 PM - RE: midi latency
These are the answers that k requested.
1.I already have the hyperio4.1 driver set.
2.In the bios the plug and play is turned off.
3.The driver in the dialog selector is ASIO for DMX 6 fire 24//96.
4.The internal GM synth is providing the audio sound of the click.
5.My onboard AC97 audio codec is disabled in the bios.
The sync problem does not appear to be so bad since i turned off the plug and play but its unfortunatly still there.
Hopefully this will narrow things down for you and i am gratefull that you have persisted in helping me.
Looking foward to hearing what you next suggest.
From Ruth.
1.I already have the hyperio4.1 driver set.
2.In the bios the plug and play is turned off.
3.The driver in the dialog selector is ASIO for DMX 6 fire 24//96.
4.The internal GM synth is providing the audio sound of the click.
5.My onboard AC97 audio codec is disabled in the bios.
The sync problem does not appear to be so bad since i turned off the plug and play but its unfortunatly still there.
Hopefully this will narrow things down for you and i am gratefull that you have persisted in helping me.
Looking foward to hearing what you next suggest.
From Ruth.
Message 8/17 23-Dec-03 @ 10:14 PM - RE: midi latency
"The internal GM synth is providing the audio sound of the click."
There's the problem there. Change the click output to the external keyboard and you should have it working. This is what I suggested you change earlier. You shouldn't use the internal sounds as the click. It will drift. Use the same source as your MIDI and they should be rock solid.
sox
There's the problem there. Change the click output to the external keyboard and you should have it working. This is what I suggested you change earlier. You shouldn't use the internal sounds as the click. It will drift. Use the same source as your MIDI and they should be rock solid.
sox
Message 9/17 24-Dec-03 @ 10:27 AM - RE: midi latency
Sox how do i change my external ouput to keyboard. Is it through double clicking on the click on the transport bar and slecting a different output,i have tried this already on every output it offers and i get no click,only when i change to audio i can hear its annoying beep.Do i have to assign a output and how.Sorry to be asking such simple questions but i am very new to this and have no one to help me.If this is any help i have tried turning the metronome off and just using a percount and tapping my foot when it starts the bar and i can still hear it jumping foreward. Thanks again Ruth.
Message 10/17 24-Dec-03 @ 02:07 PM Edit: 24-Dec-03 | 02:10 PM - RE: midi latency
Jus' jumping in here, but isn't there a dedicated metronome setup window under one of the menu items in Cubase (can't remember which menu it is off the top of my head, sorry..)
Anyway, once in there you can setup things like metronome output etc.etc. worth taking a look I guess..
Also, have you tried testing your midi performance with any apps other than cubase.. for example downloading a demo of something like Orion etc. and trying recording with that? You can get a free demo HERE ... I know it'll involve a little more effort to download, install and learn the basics to get midi recording working, but it might help for reasons I'll explain below..
The reason I'm wondering is that a friend of mine is experiencing a similar problem and I'm starting to suspect there may be a problem with the midi interface itself.. doing a comparison by using another application could go some way to help eliminate if its just a software setup thing or something else..
Judging by your email address I guess you're UK based right? Email me at marc@darkstate.co.uk, I've got a few hours to kill and might be able to help you out if the other guys here aren't in a position to post more..
Merry Xmas
Marc_D
Anyway, once in there you can setup things like metronome output etc.etc. worth taking a look I guess..
Also, have you tried testing your midi performance with any apps other than cubase.. for example downloading a demo of something like Orion etc. and trying recording with that? You can get a free demo HERE ... I know it'll involve a little more effort to download, install and learn the basics to get midi recording working, but it might help for reasons I'll explain below..
The reason I'm wondering is that a friend of mine is experiencing a similar problem and I'm starting to suspect there may be a problem with the midi interface itself.. doing a comparison by using another application could go some way to help eliminate if its just a software setup thing or something else..
Judging by your email address I guess you're UK based right? Email me at marc@darkstate.co.uk, I've got a few hours to kill and might be able to help you out if the other guys here aren't in a position to post more..
Merry Xmas
Marc_D
Message 11/17 23-Jan-04 @ 04:37 PM - Audio problems
I wrote in a while ago about midi latency problems with vst.I have since changed to SX and am now perfectly in sync.I recently upgraded my motherboard and processor to a pentium 4 2.6 gig but am now experencing crackling noise if i record more than one guitar at a time.This crackling noise starts as soon as i play my guitar in record mode.The first take seems ok, but it starts in the second.My sound card is a terretec 64/96 fire and everything seems to be set up properly.I would be gratefull for some advice. Ruth.
Message 12/17 23-Jan-04 @ 04:59 PM - RE: midi latency
You're running Cubase SX under Windows XP?
Some things to check... Build of Cubase SX.. if its SX1, then you should
be running the update that takes it to 1.0.6. If its SX2, then you're looking at the update that takes it to 2.0.1
Other things to check if you're running Windows XP is that your system is "configured for music production", as there are system config tweaks you can do to make XP perform better for the demands placed on it by music (non music background apps turned off, screen savers, power saving/hibernation turned off etc..) Do a search here on DT for this, or you can go to http://www.musicxp.net for this info..
Make sure you're running the latest drivers for your soundcard AND that they're okay for working with Cubase SX2 (if that's what you're using) - several brands of soundcards have had to have their drivers revised to work with the newer Cubase SX (Terratec and STAudio both spring to mind)
Finally, you may need to check the buffer settings on your soundcard drivers control panel (it should be running in ASIO mode for Cubase SX for best performance in audio work NOT MME or DirectX mode)
Larger buffers = higher latency but smoother playback on projects with a lot of audio, plugins etc.
Smaller buffers = lower latency, more cpu strain but vst instruments plugins etc. respond quicker (more like "real time"), however if you push the latency too low, or your trying to do too much in real time then you will get pops and crackles..
All this stuff is very well known and documented in faqs etc.. I'm sure the other folks here can add plenty on to my cursory info but anyway, hope this helps..
Good luck..
Marc_D
Some things to check... Build of Cubase SX.. if its SX1, then you should
be running the update that takes it to 1.0.6. If its SX2, then you're looking at the update that takes it to 2.0.1
Other things to check if you're running Windows XP is that your system is "configured for music production", as there are system config tweaks you can do to make XP perform better for the demands placed on it by music (non music background apps turned off, screen savers, power saving/hibernation turned off etc..) Do a search here on DT for this, or you can go to http://www.musicxp.net for this info..
Make sure you're running the latest drivers for your soundcard AND that they're okay for working with Cubase SX2 (if that's what you're using) - several brands of soundcards have had to have their drivers revised to work with the newer Cubase SX (Terratec and STAudio both spring to mind)
Finally, you may need to check the buffer settings on your soundcard drivers control panel (it should be running in ASIO mode for Cubase SX for best performance in audio work NOT MME or DirectX mode)
Larger buffers = higher latency but smoother playback on projects with a lot of audio, plugins etc.
Smaller buffers = lower latency, more cpu strain but vst instruments plugins etc. respond quicker (more like "real time"), however if you push the latency too low, or your trying to do too much in real time then you will get pops and crackles..
All this stuff is very well known and documented in faqs etc.. I'm sure the other folks here can add plenty on to my cursory info but anyway, hope this helps..
Good luck..
Marc_D
Message 13/17 25-Jan-04 @ 06:12 PM - audio problems
Thanks marc for the reply,firstly i have a pretty new version of cubase sx 2 and have the latest drivers installed.I have messed around with the buffer sizes but it does not make much difference to the crackling sound.I also got the same problem with cubase vst which leads me to think its not the program.I would be gratefull for any more advice as thts is driving me up the wall.
Message 14/17 25-Jan-04 @ 07:45 PM - RE: midi latency
well, call me old fashioned, but I never have seen problems like this since like 5 years ago - these sort of problems are a thing of the past I thought - perhaps the card is actualy knackered? - I mean that's two pc's it's flopped in right? (you rebuilt with a new board & cpu and ram right?)
did you use the same graphics card when you swapped board/cpu etc?
perhaps it's a good time to list all the components?
did you use the same graphics card when you swapped board/cpu etc?
perhaps it's a good time to list all the components?
Message 15/17 28-Jan-04 @ 12:04 PM - Audio problems
K,thanks for the reply,i did use the same graphics card which is a radeon 9700pro and i would be inclined to agree with you about the sound card, but i have recorded audio using sound forge and have no problems.Also if i change to a multimedia driver even though the latency is sky high i also have no problems,it just then means i cant record midi without a delay.I have tried different sample buffer sizes but i should not have to go past 1024 with my system.I have a feeling it could be the drivers.I have down loaded fairly new ones but mabey there wrong.If so could you recommend a site and the right ones.To be honest with you i should have not put the new board and chip in because it was running fine before with SX.If you could offer any more advice iwould be very gratefull.Ruth.
Message 16/17 28-Jan-04 @ 04:33 PM Edit: 28-Jan-04 | 04:44 PM - RE: midi latency
Ruth, did you ever try recording with a DAW program something other than Cubase (VST or SX) as I suggested? (Not soundforge but something else, say a demo version of Sonar etc.) Also, you mention a new version of cubase sx2, can you confirm the exact version number? (it should be 2.0.1), as well as the date on the drivers you're using for your Terratec?
The latest listed WDM Terratec 24/96 drivers are dated 29.08.2003 and can be found HERE.. which is the official Terratec driver support website.
I can't really think of anything else to suggest via a forum post... I offered to try some more support suggestions over the phone and left you a contact number for me (as I've found it a *much* quicker method by which to help ppl with their tech problems), but as I didn't hear from you I guess you weren't interested.. Anyway, good luck, I'm sure it'll get sorted..
The latest listed WDM Terratec 24/96 drivers are dated 29.08.2003 and can be found HERE.. which is the official Terratec driver support website.
I can't really think of anything else to suggest via a forum post... I offered to try some more support suggestions over the phone and left you a contact number for me (as I've found it a *much* quicker method by which to help ppl with their tech problems), but as I didn't hear from you I guess you weren't interested.. Anyway, good luck, I'm sure it'll get sorted..
Message 17/17 29-Jan-04 @ 02:19 PM - RE: midi latency
hi, i've been reading about your problem and i wanted to supply a link but its not working right now ...
In your cubase-folder is a folder called 'midiportEnabler'- in that folder you will find a file called 'ignoreportfilter'.Move this file to cubase-folder so one step up and all midi-inputs/outputs will appear to choose from in the inspector.you will have emulated and non-emulated ones but have to try wich one will work for you.For some people the non-emulated midi-ports will fix this problem but for me it was the other way around so its trial and error.
Its a big problem and lots of people have it but the above suggestion fixed it for me so give it it try
good luck
In your cubase-folder is a folder called 'midiportEnabler'- in that folder you will find a file called 'ignoreportfilter'.Move this file to cubase-folder so one step up and all midi-inputs/outputs will appear to choose from in the inspector.you will have emulated and non-emulated ones but have to try wich one will work for you.For some people the non-emulated midi-ports will fix this problem but for me it was the other way around so its trial and error.
Its a big problem and lots of people have it but the above suggestion fixed it for me so give it it try
good luck
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