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Subject: I have a question...
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Original Message 1/14 11-Apr-05 @ 12:01 AM - I have a question...
I'm doing multiple projects in recording music. Stuff for my boss and stuff on the personal side. I need a tracking pre-amp under $ 1200 for recording (cheaper is okay): piano, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, and for me synths and fx.
I use a digi 001 at the moment so I will need a preamp that bypasses the digi001 and uses the digital in... wether spdif or optical. I'm not sure of the specs.
I'm looking for something thats transparent/flat and better than the digi001's pre's. I dont have a great understanding about jittter and such... so clocking will be an issue.
My biggest beef right now is that I'm not achieving the results I want. Things sound good at low volume but they sound mediocre at loud volumes. I'm looking for something that will help me friendly equalize, compress and track sounds for a better result.
here's the mic setup: Two m149's on piano, tlm103 on acoustic guitar, tlm103/akg c12/sm57 on vox. SM57/TLM103 on electric guitar
I need something universal for all of these setups. Think A to D. I'm bypassing the digi 001 on a fairly limited budget. I dont want apogee.
Anyhow, any advice would be great as I have to do audio work for HD and I'm currently producing and writting some music used for no apparent reason :-) thanks y'all -Andrew
Message 2/14 11-Apr-05 @ 12:32 PM - RE: I have a question...
alternatively what about Trident or Oram?.. dunno if their gear does dig out tho. That's going to limit your choice quite a bit i'd say
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Message 3/14 11-Apr-05 @ 04:17 PM - RE: I have a question...
I would prioritize your needs. I think you want a clean pre first. The pres on the 001 are much much more damaging to your sound than the converters are. Just go line level and don't worry about external A/D for right now.
So if you go that route, I just need to know how many channels you need?
Message 4/14 12-Apr-05 @ 12:16 AM - RE: I have a question...
If thats the case I think I'm going to go with a m610... It's in the price range and it sounds great universally. Psy if you think of anything else beside the m610, be sure to say :-) You got the knowledge.
question: Will I expect any loss in quality using the line level in and out on the digi 001? I dont want to lose much character from the m610.
question: say if I wanted to mimick a 2-610 or a stereo preamp by re-routing the audio from pt (twice) into the the 610 and back to pt for stereo... my boss has two m149's and I question timing issues or wether its worth the time.
I could get a two channel but it'd be a helluvalot of convincing on my part. He wants the ultimate in audio quality but doesnt want to spend the money... fecking video guy. So maybe that workaround could work... thanks guys. ttyl.
PS - I was looking at some of the lower end models that do stereo... focusrite, joe meek, etc... would they be a significant improvement for this low budget?
Message 5/14 12-Apr-05 @ 05:44 AM - RE: I have a question...
If he really is trying to stay on the cheap, and wants something perhaps a bit cleaner (the 610 is a character piece, and having it as your main pre might impart too much color to the overall sound you get there), I would recommend the Grace model 101. I've never heard one myself, but they get consistently glowing reviews from all the gearslutz I read, so it's got a quality rep. You'll get a killer stereo image from that thing, and you can find them for little over $500.
Just to throw another option out there, I've used the Mackie Onyx 800R on remote recordings, and that will get you 8 quality pres and 24/96 ADAT connectivity with your 001 (well, 24/48 for you at least). Now, they're not gonna make the UA or the Grace sweat much, sound-wise, but they'll probably be quite noticeably higher-end-sounding than the stock 001 pres. And all that for under a grand is worth note, I think.
Lots to consider... good luck with it...
Message 6/14 12-Apr-05 @ 05:46 AM - RE: I have a question...
Message 7/14 13-Apr-05 @ 09:02 AM - RE: I have a question...
The specs look amazing for such a small price. I'm sure I'll have a enough headroom and a clear crisitine sound for a low budget. I'll see how it turns out - I got a 30 day return credit. Thanks for the good info... I would have never come apon it. take care. -Andrew
Message 8/14 13-Apr-05 @ 04:35 PM - RE: I have a question...
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 9/14 13-Apr-05 @ 05:10 PM - RE: I have a question...
Anyway, I'm quite sure you both will be quite pleased with the Grace. Be sure to let us know your findings.
Message 10/14 14-Apr-05 @ 01:18 AM - RE: I have a question...
Message 11/14 14-Apr-05 @ 04:35 AM Edit: 14-Apr-05 | 04:35 AM - RE: I have a question...
I would still recommend that over the 610 if you want clean.
Message 12/14 14-Apr-05 @ 02:01 PM - RE: I have a question...
Message 13/14 17-Apr-05 @ 11:14 AM Edit: 17-Apr-05 | 11:57 PM - RE: I have a question...
The specs on the pre you recomended are perfect. Flat, perfect response, and spec'd out to suit an audiophile who depends on numbers and pre's that do absolutley nothing to a sound.
Psy, you should really give some time to this site and make an article about the applications of different mics and pre's... giving some hard earned knowledge so people make better decisions. We got shit for audio studios where I live, so I cant get the hands on. Your effort is truly appreciated. take care man. -Andrew
PS - I havent got the pre's yet, but I'll be sure to give some sort of response. My ears are finally tuning to these mics now... I just love it! :-)
Message 14/14 17-Apr-05 @ 07:17 PM - RE: I have a question...
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