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Original Message 1/15 30-Aug-05 @ 02:01 PM - music today (oh and coldplay)
Dominic
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Wow, so many articles on the web that rubbish coldplay and their x&y album. Why does everyone hate Coldplay? Why are they the focus for everything that is wrong in music today? I think the speed of sound track is alright. There's alot worse out there. Anyway thought DTers might like to read this article although its not telling you anything you don't already know........
MUSIC TODAY (2005)
What if it's over. What if everything this business was built upon,
everything we know, is disappearing.
Well, this business WAS built upon music. But that was a long time ago.
That was before everybody got greedy. Before it was demonstrated how much MONEY
there was in the music business.
Oh, there's always been a music business. Back to the days when cavemen were
banging on rocks and people sat around and listened. But the sixties were
different. We had recorded music, and a large ready audience, i.e. baby
boomers, with the money and wherewithal to buy it.
Before the sixties the single was the dominant format. First 78s, then 45s.
You can't make much money selling singles. Just ask the labels how
profitable iTunes is. And, there wasn't much money. There was a depression.
And then
a war. But when rock and roll hit, when the baby boomers came of age, when
the Beatles turned it into an album format, purveyors started COINING DOUGH!
You HAD to have the Beatle album.
And the Beatles and the San Francisco sound begat concert venues. And press
to cover the scene. And suddenly, music was the driver, the hippest art form
extant.
And the MONEY!
First there were the records. Then, Led Zeppelin changed the live deal. To
90/10. And everybody wanted to SEE Led Zeppelin. There was no venue too big,
they could sell every seat of a stadium.
And there was radio to grease the way. To turn people on to new bands.
But then FM radio became formatted. The acts became corporate. The whole
thing tanked. But MTV revived it.
Suddenly, there was a new way to expose product. And this new exposure sold
TONS of albums. Killed acts as quickly as it made them, but the public was
hooked, they had to watch, MTV was the antithesis of corporate television.
Then came the baby boomlet. The CHILDREN of the baby boomers. Whose parents
didn't believe in denying them. Lou Pearlman developed a whole new breed of
act to appeal to this group, and the Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync sold DIAMOND!
Over ten million albums per record.
Then it died.
Yup, died.
The labels will tell you it's file-trading. That's why we have no more
diamond albums.
Concert promoters blame the acts, they're too greedy.
And if you listen to the public, everybody's too greedy and the acts suck.
But, is any of this TRUE???
Well, all of it's true to a degree, but are these the factors that are ailing
the music business or are their OTHER, unforeseen, unexplored reasons?
There's no center anymore. No town square. No marketplace that everybody
passes through. We're no longer one cohesive culture. And therefore, you can't
find ten million people to buy one album. It's not like the sixties, when
you heard everything. Mariah Carey had the biggest track of the summer? I bet
half of America never heard it. Hell, most Americans are not familiar with
the Top Forty chart. It's meaningless to them. They don't listen to the radio
stations and they don't like the urban-oriented sound.
The acts that sell today, to the degree they DO sell, are overexposed.
That's what the major label's business is. That's why you sign with a major
rather
than an indie. They'll get you on the radio, MTV/VH1/Fuse, "The Today Show",
maybe even "20/20", in "Us", "People", singing the national anthem at
sporting events, in movies, at least your songs. Because if you don't do ALL of
the
above, not enough people are aware of your product, the major label can't sell
enough copies to recoup its investment.
But it gets worse. In order to get everybody to buy in, in order to get all
the exposing media involved, the music has to be palatable. Must be bland and
inoffensive. Otherwise, it's a tune-out, and ratings will decline. UNLESS,
OF COURSE, it's the edge, the danger that you're truly selling. It's not like
the days of the Rolling Stones, words are not enough, how many times was 50
Cent shot?
But it's not only the labels that are in trouble. The live business is never
going to be the same. It's got nothing to do with sheds or arenas. Nothing
to do with the quality of food. It's just that not enough people know about
the touring acts that you can SELL 20,000 tickets a night.
Classic rock acts. They're already ingrained in the public consciousness.
The Dave Matthews Band? Truly, the last one to squeak in. When MTV still
played music, broke bands. THEY can make the numbers. And then there's
Coldplay... One has to ask, is Coldplay selling out because it's such fantastic
music or because people need a rallying point? To feel SOME connection to the
mainstream?
But Coldplay is irrelevant. Let's just say there will be a COUPLE of new
bands that will break through and sell tickets for a year or two (if you think
Coldplay's gonna be doing 20,000 a night three years from now, you're dreaming,
or else they're going to make a quantum leap in recorded material, since "X&Y"
is so bland, so repetitive, so WEAK as to be laughable to anybody truly
listening).
This business was built upon a NUMBER of acts selling out arenas. Where are
those acts coming from?
There's no mainstream outlet exposing these acts, IRRELEVANT of how good the
material is.
MTV plays almost no music. Remember when you HAD to get a ticket to the
VMAs? Could there be LESS buzz about next week's show?
Radio is run by advertising men, not music lovers.
But music lovers still exist. They haunt the Web.
But the Web is narrowcasting.
Music ain't gonna die. It's just that each album is going to sell fewer
copies and each concert is going to have fewer attendees. You'll go to a club
to
see a band that almost no one has ever heard of. Just you and some other
people on MySpace. It will be enough to sell a couple of hundred tickets in
Cleveland, but it won't ever sell 20,000 a night. Unless, of course, the act
signs
to the major label, which will dumb down the music, sell it everywhere and
kill it.
It's a funny era. More people are making music than ever before. More music
is AVAILABLE than ever before. There are so many genres that even an expert
can't keep them all straight. But it's bad for the old guard. The old guard
is based on tonnage of individual acts. Those days are through.
MUSIC TODAY (2005)
What if it's over. What if everything this business was built upon,
everything we know, is disappearing.
Well, this business WAS built upon music. But that was a long time ago.
That was before everybody got greedy. Before it was demonstrated how much MONEY
there was in the music business.
Oh, there's always been a music business. Back to the days when cavemen were
banging on rocks and people sat around and listened. But the sixties were
different. We had recorded music, and a large ready audience, i.e. baby
boomers, with the money and wherewithal to buy it.
Before the sixties the single was the dominant format. First 78s, then 45s.
You can't make much money selling singles. Just ask the labels how
profitable iTunes is. And, there wasn't much money. There was a depression.
And then
a war. But when rock and roll hit, when the baby boomers came of age, when
the Beatles turned it into an album format, purveyors started COINING DOUGH!
You HAD to have the Beatle album.
And the Beatles and the San Francisco sound begat concert venues. And press
to cover the scene. And suddenly, music was the driver, the hippest art form
extant.
And the MONEY!
First there were the records. Then, Led Zeppelin changed the live deal. To
90/10. And everybody wanted to SEE Led Zeppelin. There was no venue too big,
they could sell every seat of a stadium.
And there was radio to grease the way. To turn people on to new bands.
But then FM radio became formatted. The acts became corporate. The whole
thing tanked. But MTV revived it.
Suddenly, there was a new way to expose product. And this new exposure sold
TONS of albums. Killed acts as quickly as it made them, but the public was
hooked, they had to watch, MTV was the antithesis of corporate television.
Then came the baby boomlet. The CHILDREN of the baby boomers. Whose parents
didn't believe in denying them. Lou Pearlman developed a whole new breed of
act to appeal to this group, and the Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync sold DIAMOND!
Over ten million albums per record.
Then it died.
Yup, died.
The labels will tell you it's file-trading. That's why we have no more
diamond albums.
Concert promoters blame the acts, they're too greedy.
And if you listen to the public, everybody's too greedy and the acts suck.
But, is any of this TRUE???
Well, all of it's true to a degree, but are these the factors that are ailing
the music business or are their OTHER, unforeseen, unexplored reasons?
There's no center anymore. No town square. No marketplace that everybody
passes through. We're no longer one cohesive culture. And therefore, you can't
find ten million people to buy one album. It's not like the sixties, when
you heard everything. Mariah Carey had the biggest track of the summer? I bet
half of America never heard it. Hell, most Americans are not familiar with
the Top Forty chart. It's meaningless to them. They don't listen to the radio
stations and they don't like the urban-oriented sound.
The acts that sell today, to the degree they DO sell, are overexposed.
That's what the major label's business is. That's why you sign with a major
rather
than an indie. They'll get you on the radio, MTV/VH1/Fuse, "The Today Show",
maybe even "20/20", in "Us", "People", singing the national anthem at
sporting events, in movies, at least your songs. Because if you don't do ALL of
the
above, not enough people are aware of your product, the major label can't sell
enough copies to recoup its investment.
But it gets worse. In order to get everybody to buy in, in order to get all
the exposing media involved, the music has to be palatable. Must be bland and
inoffensive. Otherwise, it's a tune-out, and ratings will decline. UNLESS,
OF COURSE, it's the edge, the danger that you're truly selling. It's not like
the days of the Rolling Stones, words are not enough, how many times was 50
Cent shot?
But it's not only the labels that are in trouble. The live business is never
going to be the same. It's got nothing to do with sheds or arenas. Nothing
to do with the quality of food. It's just that not enough people know about
the touring acts that you can SELL 20,000 tickets a night.
Classic rock acts. They're already ingrained in the public consciousness.
The Dave Matthews Band? Truly, the last one to squeak in. When MTV still
played music, broke bands. THEY can make the numbers. And then there's
Coldplay... One has to ask, is Coldplay selling out because it's such fantastic
music or because people need a rallying point? To feel SOME connection to the
mainstream?
But Coldplay is irrelevant. Let's just say there will be a COUPLE of new
bands that will break through and sell tickets for a year or two (if you think
Coldplay's gonna be doing 20,000 a night three years from now, you're dreaming,
or else they're going to make a quantum leap in recorded material, since "X&Y"
is so bland, so repetitive, so WEAK as to be laughable to anybody truly
listening).
This business was built upon a NUMBER of acts selling out arenas. Where are
those acts coming from?
There's no mainstream outlet exposing these acts, IRRELEVANT of how good the
material is.
MTV plays almost no music. Remember when you HAD to get a ticket to the
VMAs? Could there be LESS buzz about next week's show?
Radio is run by advertising men, not music lovers.
But music lovers still exist. They haunt the Web.
But the Web is narrowcasting.
Music ain't gonna die. It's just that each album is going to sell fewer
copies and each concert is going to have fewer attendees. You'll go to a club
to
see a band that almost no one has ever heard of. Just you and some other
people on MySpace. It will be enough to sell a couple of hundred tickets in
Cleveland, but it won't ever sell 20,000 a night. Unless, of course, the act
signs
to the major label, which will dumb down the music, sell it everywhere and
kill it.
It's a funny era. More people are making music than ever before. More music
is AVAILABLE than ever before. There are so many genres that even an expert
can't keep them all straight. But it's bad for the old guard. The old guard
is based on tonnage of individual acts. Those days are through.
Message 2/15 30-Aug-05 @ 03:28 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
the artcile could have been written 10 years ago take out somne of the web references- problem whilst all true its def nothing new, sadly the journo writes like it is; but i read articles saying similar things all through uni when i was looking into it all a bit closely.....
personally none of us blokes need worry cos none of us listen to pop right?
i mean none of us really care who is currently number one in a chart dictated by woolworths and populated by 10 year old girls right?
because being blokes we are only interested in the non-disposable; albums over singles- stuff like that right?
we are interested in the music, often the technical over any asthetic qualities right?
luckily the gender/musical preference lines aren't so polarized- yet lukcily for me i fall into a camp where im more than happy to let the pop market get on with it, as it was never intended for me in the first place....
greg
personally none of us blokes need worry cos none of us listen to pop right?
i mean none of us really care who is currently number one in a chart dictated by woolworths and populated by 10 year old girls right?
because being blokes we are only interested in the non-disposable; albums over singles- stuff like that right?
we are interested in the music, often the technical over any asthetic qualities right?
luckily the gender/musical preference lines aren't so polarized- yet lukcily for me i fall into a camp where im more than happy to let the pop market get on with it, as it was never intended for me in the first place....
greg
Message 3/15 31-Aug-05 @ 03:59 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
Interesting article. Agree with some of it, but there is a lack of perspective in comparing now with the sixties. Everyone wanted to SEE Led Zeppelin... because they were great? Maybe. Or maybe because there was no internet, no cineplexes, no ipods and one state run TV channel in B/W. The Rolling Stones 50 Cent comparison, people didn't buy/watch Rolling Stones because of their lyrics, but because they had long hair, sang black peoples music and their singer had super tight pants on.... back then that was baaad. 50 Cents appeal is different, but just as relevant: Poor street punk, shot, jail time now raps about being rich. It's too easy to look back and say oh that was real music because it's old. I think you're right though: Music ain't gonna die.
Message 4/15 31-Aug-05 @ 04:12 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
that's not much of an "article," it's just somebody writing off the top of their head. a bunch of suppositions stated as fact. a "journo" would've had sources and quotes, but anyway...
go see the rawker and listen to what he does with "Whole Lotta Love." Oh Yeah! RAWK ON RAWKER!!!
go see the rawker and listen to what he does with "Whole Lotta Love." Oh Yeah! RAWK ON RAWKER!!!
Message 5/15 31-Aug-05 @ 10:10 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
hehe. he does indeed rawk 
as for the article .. 'classic rock acts' ? who gives a shit?
as for the article .. 'classic rock acts' ? who gives a shit?
Message 6/15 01-Sep-05 @ 02:22 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
Dominic
Posts: 1128
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Terry Currier
(owner of Music Millennium, two of the best record stores on the
planet):
Re-Fatigue
Music had a better chance of being good before the money people started
taking over the industry, just as it happened in the radio business. It
sucked the heart and soul out of a lot of music at the majors. Then the
majors, as well as radio, started chasing a sound instead of great
songs.
One of the worst things that happened to the industry was going from
vinyl to CD. Music was considered art by more music fans and consumers
than it is today. If you wanted your vinyl to sound good for future
listening, you took more care for it. You also noticed and read the cover
and liner notes because they were large enough to see and read. Ever
start rubbing your eyes inside page 6 of an 18 page well written booklet of
some tunes from the vault?
The other thing that happened when we went from 12 inch vinyl to CD is
we started putting up to twice the music on a disc. Most of the classic
albums of all-time run 35 to 40 minutes. We listened to our favorite
side of the album more than the other side which ran under 20 minutes.
Now we hear 50 to 70 minute albums. Much more opportunity to have filler
material ( better known as songs that are not good songs). This drags
down the quality of the album.
Maybe the ipod is the great revelation. Maybe much of the world thinks
there is not a need for record stores. maybe you live in an area of the
country that does not have great record stores, which is one of the
problems with the industry....not enough great record stores. however, a
great record store experience is like experiencing that great new
relationship, great dining or winning on the tables at Vegas. It's exciting
and depending on the staff, can be one of the most fulfilling
experiences of your entire week of existence.
I tried to talk to the ipod. I said "hey, what is new that i sould not
miss?" It does not respond like the the music freak that works at the
great record store. It does not tell me about the cool B-sides Fountain
of Wayne CD that came out. It doesn't seem to know I'm a Small
Faces/Faces fan and have to have everything by every member so i better get
this new Kenny Jones Gang" or that Jeff Beck has a track on the Les Paul
90th birthday tribute album. Yes you can read all the music mags if you
have the time (only a handful are credible to read anyway), check your
favorite artists websites, etc to stay in tune. But who tells you about
this cool new band from Australia called the Casanovas? Who tells you
that besides the previous Fastball releases being spotty as albums, that
the last one "Keep Your Wig On" is a masterpiece of all great songs and
you should give the album a chance.
What happens if there are not great record stores on the planet? I'm
sure i could start an information service people could subscribe to that
would tell them that. Enter your profile, favorite bands, etc. But it
is not the same. The interaction of music fans in record stores creates
some of the stars of tomorrow as well as a good chunk of the business
the industry would lose if they were not there.
My personal record collection is full of great albums that sold 5 to
10,000 copies and then died into oblivion. It's also full of records by
artists that were nobodies that were embraced by record /CD store
employees in great stores around the country and still matter 10, 20 and 30
years later.
Yes, the industry could stop the CD as fast as they killed the LP. The
industry made the choice back then and tried to force the LP into
oblivion and succeeded. "The Compact Disc...the new Savior!" Well, I'm not
so sure the ipod can live up to the new Savior image and a successful
music industry in the future.
(owner of Music Millennium, two of the best record stores on the
planet):
Re-Fatigue
Music had a better chance of being good before the money people started
taking over the industry, just as it happened in the radio business. It
sucked the heart and soul out of a lot of music at the majors. Then the
majors, as well as radio, started chasing a sound instead of great
songs.
One of the worst things that happened to the industry was going from
vinyl to CD. Music was considered art by more music fans and consumers
than it is today. If you wanted your vinyl to sound good for future
listening, you took more care for it. You also noticed and read the cover
and liner notes because they were large enough to see and read. Ever
start rubbing your eyes inside page 6 of an 18 page well written booklet of
some tunes from the vault?
The other thing that happened when we went from 12 inch vinyl to CD is
we started putting up to twice the music on a disc. Most of the classic
albums of all-time run 35 to 40 minutes. We listened to our favorite
side of the album more than the other side which ran under 20 minutes.
Now we hear 50 to 70 minute albums. Much more opportunity to have filler
material ( better known as songs that are not good songs). This drags
down the quality of the album.
Maybe the ipod is the great revelation. Maybe much of the world thinks
there is not a need for record stores. maybe you live in an area of the
country that does not have great record stores, which is one of the
problems with the industry....not enough great record stores. however, a
great record store experience is like experiencing that great new
relationship, great dining or winning on the tables at Vegas. It's exciting
and depending on the staff, can be one of the most fulfilling
experiences of your entire week of existence.
I tried to talk to the ipod. I said "hey, what is new that i sould not
miss?" It does not respond like the the music freak that works at the
great record store. It does not tell me about the cool B-sides Fountain
of Wayne CD that came out. It doesn't seem to know I'm a Small
Faces/Faces fan and have to have everything by every member so i better get
this new Kenny Jones Gang" or that Jeff Beck has a track on the Les Paul
90th birthday tribute album. Yes you can read all the music mags if you
have the time (only a handful are credible to read anyway), check your
favorite artists websites, etc to stay in tune. But who tells you about
this cool new band from Australia called the Casanovas? Who tells you
that besides the previous Fastball releases being spotty as albums, that
the last one "Keep Your Wig On" is a masterpiece of all great songs and
you should give the album a chance.
What happens if there are not great record stores on the planet? I'm
sure i could start an information service people could subscribe to that
would tell them that. Enter your profile, favorite bands, etc. But it
is not the same. The interaction of music fans in record stores creates
some of the stars of tomorrow as well as a good chunk of the business
the industry would lose if they were not there.
My personal record collection is full of great albums that sold 5 to
10,000 copies and then died into oblivion. It's also full of records by
artists that were nobodies that were embraced by record /CD store
employees in great stores around the country and still matter 10, 20 and 30
years later.
Yes, the industry could stop the CD as fast as they killed the LP. The
industry made the choice back then and tried to force the LP into
oblivion and succeeded. "The Compact Disc...the new Savior!" Well, I'm not
so sure the ipod can live up to the new Savior image and a successful
music industry in the future.
Message 7/15 02-Sep-05 @ 03:42 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
That's two whiney articles in one thread. OK I think we're full now.
Don't want to sound cynical, nice try trying to make a record sound like a temple, but it's a business. He's trying to make the sales of his product sound like a devine interaction. Having the business be the art rather than the music. If your store truly is that great then it will be full always, but kids want their info from the internet, man.
Don't want to sound cynical, nice try trying to make a record sound like a temple, but it's a business. He's trying to make the sales of his product sound like a devine interaction. Having the business be the art rather than the music. If your store truly is that great then it will be full always, but kids want their info from the internet, man.
Message 8/15 02-Sep-05 @ 07:29 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
Cd as a format is doomed, just look at the size of one decent discman compared to the size of a cheap mp3-player. Cost reduction and mobility are the key words these days and it is cheaper to get music from the internet, not to mention how much easier to carry these new players around. Plus you can make your own compilations easily.
It is not the industry that will kill the format but people frustrated by the the fact they have to carry around 12cm discs in plastic cases.
It is not the industry that will kill the format but people frustrated by the the fact they have to carry around 12cm discs in plastic cases.
Message 9/15 02-Sep-05 @ 10:38 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
it's the price i think, and the same for dvd's... but the actual format is still sensible for distributing large hi-fi files which can then be transferred to a portable.
It's alot of money to pay tho
I dunno, it's one of those subjects you talk about with mates alot & it's hard to figure out cos there's some different things in the equation to the normal transition between decades and new talent taking up the reigns from old talent.
there's always been new stuff, and i'm sure back in the 60's, the older 50's rock&roll fans slagged off the new 'hippie' music as rubbish, and again when punk came along, fans of the old school guitar bands slagged of punk as 'rubbish', and then when synth pop music came, the old guitar brigade (inc punks) slagged THAT off, etc etc... each new scene gets slagged by the old scene and people hanker after what used to be in vogue
but this is different perhaps cos of the technology issues, although I wonder sometimes about wether even IF that wasnt happening we'd still have the same phenomenon?
i mean, when each new decade came along even tho it sort of 'took over' from the previous stuff, it still had alot of merit as a new form and as music in it's own right. But the 'pop' music now does seem terribly simplistic in terms of the whole 'musical' aspect of it and, it's nothing NEW, just rehashed stuff from previous decades it seems.
Perhaps simplicity is required so that songs can easily be made into a ringtone which is worth more as a market now than releasing singles and probably is approaching album sales in terms of business (if ringtones havent already overtaken album sales in terms of money making)
oh well... there was a good sketch on the radio the other night... like a chart countdown spoof...
"And the chart from 20 down to 10!..... in at 20, a boy band!... and another boy band!.. and a girl band...& another girl band, followed by a girl who used to be in a girl band, and a boy who used to be in a boy band, and then it's 2 girls who were part of a girl band followed by two boys from a previous boy band, closely followed by 2 girls from a boy band and one boy from a girl band, and...."
lol, it was funnier the way they did it with the countdown backing music etc, lol
It's alot of money to pay tho
I dunno, it's one of those subjects you talk about with mates alot & it's hard to figure out cos there's some different things in the equation to the normal transition between decades and new talent taking up the reigns from old talent.
there's always been new stuff, and i'm sure back in the 60's, the older 50's rock&roll fans slagged off the new 'hippie' music as rubbish, and again when punk came along, fans of the old school guitar bands slagged of punk as 'rubbish', and then when synth pop music came, the old guitar brigade (inc punks) slagged THAT off, etc etc... each new scene gets slagged by the old scene and people hanker after what used to be in vogue
but this is different perhaps cos of the technology issues, although I wonder sometimes about wether even IF that wasnt happening we'd still have the same phenomenon?
i mean, when each new decade came along even tho it sort of 'took over' from the previous stuff, it still had alot of merit as a new form and as music in it's own right. But the 'pop' music now does seem terribly simplistic in terms of the whole 'musical' aspect of it and, it's nothing NEW, just rehashed stuff from previous decades it seems.
Perhaps simplicity is required so that songs can easily be made into a ringtone which is worth more as a market now than releasing singles and probably is approaching album sales in terms of business (if ringtones havent already overtaken album sales in terms of money making)
oh well... there was a good sketch on the radio the other night... like a chart countdown spoof...
"And the chart from 20 down to 10!..... in at 20, a boy band!... and another boy band!.. and a girl band...& another girl band, followed by a girl who used to be in a girl band, and a boy who used to be in a boy band, and then it's 2 girls who were part of a girl band followed by two boys from a previous boy band, closely followed by 2 girls from a boy band and one boy from a girl band, and...."
lol, it was funnier the way they did it with the countdown backing music etc, lol
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Message 10/15 02-Sep-05 @ 12:09 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
its what i say to me mum and nan all the time K- they slag new music i say..
nan in your day dancing jazz was considered heathen music by the older crowd, now its classic 'real' music, ditto rock n roll....therefore you are not supposed to like our music...its not for you
greg
nan in your day dancing jazz was considered heathen music by the older crowd, now its classic 'real' music, ditto rock n roll....therefore you are not supposed to like our music...its not for you
greg
Message 11/15 05-Sep-05 @ 12:52 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
oh god... did i have to scroll thru all of this just to see if Damballah is still alive and did not drown?
(good to know you are, tho!)
(good to know you are, tho!)
Message 12/15 06-Sep-05 @ 05:01 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
well, I'm only about 700 miles north of new orleans, so yeah I'm OK.
I was just down there at the beginning of april -- it's really a cool place but it's really fucked right now.
I was just down there at the beginning of april -- it's really a cool place but it's really fucked right now.
Message 13/15 06-Sep-05 @ 12:24 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
lol... i was pretty sure you were in the deep deep south. might have been your nickname that made me think so 
Message 14/15 06-Sep-05 @ 03:46 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
dude. By the look of the people on TV who are stranded they could easily last a few months without eating and would in that time simply get back down to a normal body weight. They are all fucking humungous great lard-asses
heh, did you see that video of the Police looting a store, lol.
heh, did you see that video of the Police looting a store, lol.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 15/15 06-Sep-05 @ 05:11 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
i'll assume you're talking about my other post
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