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Original Message 1/15 22-Sep-05 @ 09:46 AM - mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 2/15 22-Sep-05 @ 10:58 AM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
like everything else, it depends on the song and its place in it really. i could also see it being panned hard L-R but sitting low in the mix for example.
oh and whats this "When I have it in mono it takes up the centre nicely but sounds a bit weak"? did you record it with mics or is it a midi thing? if it was recorded, you possibly have some phasing issues which make it lose low freq's. maybe you could look at the audio file and see if thats the case. or maybe a tad of low end eq is all you need?
Message 3/15 22-Sep-05 @ 01:35 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
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Message 4/15 22-Sep-05 @ 02:21 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Been listening to The Game album at lunchtime and most of the piano tracks seen to be mono panned dead centre.
Message 5/15 22-Sep-05 @ 02:33 PM Edit: 22-Sep-05 | 02:38 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
in a fuller mix, then bring it in a bit, if not the whole way. then add some stereo verb or subtle delay. if you're going for a live sounding mix like a band thing and your piano is some stereo patch or recorded stereo, mono the piano, watch out for phase and pan it where you like.
i sometimes have the piano doubling the bassline, then i'll have two piano parts, the bass one all mono and not much verb, if at all, definately eq the bottom out, then the other part, say a high tinkly bit with lots of verb, pan it so it's more center and narrower, depending on how far apart the top and bottom notes in the part are.
evp88? make it mono and send it through an amp sim with vibrato, autopan, phaser and a delay.
Message 6/15 22-Sep-05 @ 03:01 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 7/15 22-Sep-05 @ 03:35 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
simulate a room verb for a piano use delay- 211ms and 222ms on either side....
this guy (and his interviewed mixers) says they use panned delays- ie dry coming 10oclock, delayed version coming out at two o'clock- the delay creating a sense of space- can work well...
another tip is to mono check- use the mono sum so you can hear your mix in mono- turn the pan knob until you hear the element dissapear or jump out- its worked for me on high hats- might give you an idea of where to put the dry line....mirror it on the other side with a short delay...
greg
Message 8/15 22-Sep-05 @ 04:32 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Seriously though - thanks everyone.
Message 9/15 22-Sep-05 @ 04:44 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
and i dunno about outboard and patching etc i do it all in the computer innit.
but basically in logic i'd stick a phaser, autopan and amp simulator insert on the evp (free one from voxengo) then a send to a dub delay like logic tape, maybe a autopan on that as well (if your gonna use both make them musically interesting). only coz i like my rhodes like that mind you.
Message 10/15 23-Sep-05 @ 05:21 AM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 11/15 23-Sep-05 @ 09:54 AM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 12/15 23-Sep-05 @ 01:02 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
the short delay thing should work- just work on getting the mono version sitting well on it side and then bring up the fader of the delayed version until you can 'feel' the spread- you dont nesseraily have to have anything jumping out from the delayed side just the feeling that the piano stretches that far
greg
Message 13/15 23-Sep-05 @ 02:01 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
this guy (and his interviewed mixers) says they use panned delays- ie dry coming 10oclock, delayed version coming out at two o'clock- the delay creating a sense of space- can work well...
thats a standard technique and works on tons of things, you just have to be very careful about summed mono mixes, but dry one side and delayed version to the other works good on hats, toms (big tom breaks in rock tracks), guitars, percussion stuff like congas etc etc, but the mono issue.... if you listen to the mono track in my profile called FLYING DUB, further into the track the song breaks down and there is actualy a little hand drum bongo sort of pattern playing fast, but due it being panned like that it almost has dissapeared in mono
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 14/15 23-Sep-05 @ 04:20 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Also, beware of sampled pianos collapsed to mono... most that I've heard are sampled quite a bit out of phase so they sound super wide in the storeroom but pretty crappy in mono. Often it's the onboard reverb that's phasey, so make sure you kill that first, then make the piano mono, then put on your own verb. Maybe just take one side of it?
Message 15/15 23-Sep-05 @ 11:31 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
you'd be surprised how high you can highpass a piano and still have it sound full in a mix
true, and that goes for many sounds but people tend to leave the eq flat adding to top/bottom or mid clutter
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
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