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Subject: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
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Original Message 1/19 18-Jan-06 @ 09:58 AM Edit: 18-Jan-06 | 09:58 AM - SX3 Midi/Audio sync
I've recently made the jump from a Windows98/Cubase VST 5 setup to a spanky new XP/SX3 on a new machine.
Few teething troubles - I'm losing sync with audio and midi (playing internally - Battery1/Arturia Moog)...
Can anyone help troubleshoot this... It was originally fine for a while (i've only worked on 3 tracks so far so for a good few sessions everything was OK) it seemed to start playing up after putting Waves R Comp on a group track - although I can't see why this would cause a midi sync problem.
WIndows XP Pro Service Pack2
Emu 1212m
Cubase SX3
I seem to remember there being a midi sync test you could run in previous versions of Cubase but cant find one in SX3. Help files aren't thowing any light.
If this has been covered in the forums previously - a quick pointer to relevent threads would suffice... the forum search hasn't yeilded anything so far.
Thank you in advance..
Message 2/19 18-Jan-06 @ 10:21 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
or do you mean the plugins are out of sync with something else besides themselves, such as external audio source?
this is assuming you have the right emu asio driver installed on your audio setup
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Message 3/19 18-Jan-06 @ 10:42 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
Haven't exlained myself too clearly... Its a sync problem between the audio and midi. It sounds like the audio playback is OK but the midi (playing software sources - not external, which is why i mentioned it) is all over the place, occasionaly in/out which would suggest its not just a case of a delay compensation as its erratic and not just statically out of sync.
It was OK for a period (a good 4 or 5 sessions it was fine) which would suggest that maybe a sync/driver setting has been altered. Although, as I say, it seemed to start after sticking Waves R comp on a group track, although I think this is a red herring - I've removed the plug and still get the problem - in fact working on a whole new project also poses the same problem, it might be worth noting that when the audio and midi are bounced down to a single wav the timing is perfect. So it seems to be a playback issue.
Message 4/19 18-Jan-06 @ 07:42 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
it might be worth noting that when the audio and midi are bounced down to a single wav the timing is perfect. So it seems to be a playback issue.
that's interesting - is this a 'dongle-less' version of cubase possibly?
there's no emu plugins added to your emu applet rack is there ?... i'm assuming you know how to use that applet properly although i cant say it would be an issue unless your groups and main outs are seperate & are getting mixed together in the emu routing applet and mebbe there's an issue there?
anyways, i dont really use sx3 as i say.. no probs with V2 tho, but i heard alot of probs with sx3 so decided not to bother cos frankly i dont need anything it's got. The freeze i dont need and the 'arrange-page editing' feature imo is next to useless
what happens if you permenetly de-install the WAVES stuff ? - actualy remove it from plugin lists AND the PC?
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 5/19 18-Jan-06 @ 07:52 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
Yes dongle-less version. Can this be a prob?
I'll try unistalling the waves stuff... why might that help?
Message 6/19 18-Jan-06 @ 11:56 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
tbh this is all new to me as well
well then did you set the driver properly first?
in menu: Devices/device setup/vst multitrack
choose : E-MU ASIO
your clock rate ...well i personaly use 44.1 - that is set on the e-mu applet the patchbay applet (i've frgotten what it's called, lol, and i own one!.. heh)
anyways, the drivers, need to be right
as for the sx3, well tbh SX2 is so much leaner... legal or otherwise. In fact, is it still true that the cr*ck of sx3 is substantialy more able to handle larger loads due to the removal of a slew of protections built into every aspect of the programme?.. apparently the crackers said that, & earlier in the release period i did see reports online of people unable to load and run CPR's
which previously had been cpomposed and ran ok in sx2
anyways, i dont use sx enuff to justify the upgrade frankly, i'm a logic man meself.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 7/19 19-Jan-06 @ 05:03 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
Having another issue now though...
please excuse - I jst copied this from another forum post I made...
I have searched for this... but i'm not finding anything of use... I'd be happy with a link to a relevant thread if anyone can point me in the right direction.
I've recently bought a new PC (XP Pro SP2, Athlon 64 4000+, 4gig Ram, Asus A8v Motherboard, two fast 160gig HD's RAID striped, Emu 1212m - running SX3) and i'm having a few difficulties setting up.
So I have a project set up with 3 or 4 tracks of audio and 3 or 4 tracks of midi playing software (battery1, arturia moog, some of the native cubase synths). All with various plugs.
On playback - everything starts fine... one or two mins in the track playback begins to distort and fragment (very similar to a granular/timestretch effect) this gets progressively worse and louder until I reset the Emu ASIO Driver in Device Setup. This fixes the problem for another minute or two before the playback begins 'slipping' again and we get the 'granular distorting' happening again.
If it helps - this sounds similar to when I used to overload Cubase VST 5.1 on my old machine with too many softsynths/plugs etc.
CPU monitor is only hitting 25/30%.
All correct ASIO drivers are there - EMU patchmix applet set up to the 44.1kHz stereo in/out default setting - Cubase Clock source set to 'Internal'...
Anyone help me in troubleshooting this?
Thanks in advance!
Message 8/19 19-Jan-06 @ 09:29 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 9/19 20-Jan-06 @ 09:26 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
i think there's some issue with the emu driver.
whats the chipset on that board btw?.. oh hang on, i'll look it up... hmm, VIA K8T800 Pro
did you apply the VIA Hyperion patches for it? - via chipssets are reliable but you need to add the driver set. It's easy to run, and to de-install, you just run the driver again & it offers de-install for any added item
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=1&CatID=1070
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 10/19 20-Jan-06 @ 10:39 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
can you briefly explain how this process might benefit me? Are these just up-to-date drivers for the Motherboard chipset?
Will try this...
Message 11/19 20-Jan-06 @ 11:15 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
Message 12/19 20-Jan-06 @ 01:38 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 13/19 20-Jan-06 @ 02:33 PM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
I guess I bought the highest spec I could afford with this in mind (and thinking about stuff like convolution reverbs/reaktor etc)
I work as a graphic designer so a fast system also helps for big Photoshop stuff - its so speedy.
Is there such a thing as over spec'ing? Don't some call this future-proofing? I was advised that the only bottleneck to having such a fast system would be HD access speed which is why I got the RAID strip config... also the people I got it off were doing a two-for-one on the particular HD i bought, the RAID stripe was only £6.. why not?
Message 14/19 21-Jan-06 @ 12:04 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
I'd seriously urge you to checkout VEGAS from Sony, it is superb!!!... some directors were over this week and i mentioned that in the other room i had a box with as much grunt as a G4 which could churn out AVID EDL's and 1/2 a terrabyte of disk would cost 180 - 200 quid... they were amazed.
See thing is, when you edit film, it's first transferred to video with burnt in time code, edited, then the edits go back to what was the cutting room in the old days, and you get 'Prints' done, like getting phot prints from Dig cameras, except they cost about 30k in the Uk (WAY cheaper in the east, hence Uk is loosing shitloads of ilm biz and studios are getting fucked as happened to the music studios back in the 90's (remember all those massive majors going bust back then?
anyways i digress, but these EDL's are Edit Lists (standard acronym), and as you'd imagine, an edit list is a series of linear digital data which contaisn inforamtion about hours:minutes:seconds:frames of where in the film and which part of which video file plays then and other tuff.. but in essense it's simply a referrence to film digitaised footage p[ositions, macthed to linear time.
anyways AVID, is sort of like the Pro-Tools of the film world, it's been around yonks, like 15 years, always developing, however, it's way clunky and the interface is fucking aweful!!... a real pigs ear all grey nasty bits and childishly simple graphic
so anyways, Vegas can create EDL's which AVI reads, so you can sort your digitaised footage cheaply then compile your basic edit, then take that to be fine tuned in a pro studio with all the approved toys. However, VEGAS does do full colour correction!... in real time so anyways it does all the pro jobs BUT, it started life as Sonic Foundry's ACID
SF sold their stuff to Sony (like Adobe bought Cool Edit), but AFAIK, ACID already had video features by that time.
Anyways, it also has a full on multitrack audio recording setup with the standard sequencer tracks etc, and it takes DX fx and the new V6 takes VST fx and also responds to generic controllers so you can use say a BCF behringer mixer to fade video levels or do audio tasks etc... I assume, haven't yet tried it TBH even tho i own & use both.
So anyways (to rewind back to the start), one of these directors started saying abouut how the drag and drop and such thinsg was so easy compared to AVID etc... things are really changing in the film video industry I can say... It's kinda where 'music studio' a few years back, with a new wave of technology thru PC's is about to alter things drasticaly.
So for example, we were working on one film last year, and the producer (my mate) ran out money, so we had to use Vegas to create a 'Teaser' edit to promote the film (like the 'Coming Soon' trailers you see on videos). We only had VHS tranferred footage!!! (low quality cos it;s cassette)
Anyways, what can you do!.. we imported the footage and mixed it, added music and burned some dvd's with a nice printed cover we did by taking stills from the video in Vegas. That went of to Cannes festival, and frankly, the response was great, and apparently, if people were told how the DVD was done, they said that perhaps we should do it ourselves and go for less money
I'm sure the lastest Premier can do similar things. I aint checked it for almost 2 years, when at that time it didn't do realtime preview (which Vegas did do)
But i still reckon you chould check the demo.
The last one we've been doing over the last 3 weeks we got the digitised mpg footage in DVD format. I ripped the DVD's to mpeg-1 files, imported them to Vegas, and then rendered off just the audio track to a mono 44.1 wav file. So for the whole film we had 5 'Reels' of mpeg-1 video with timecode burnt in, and 5 mono audio working-rough soundtracks (with silent parts where sounds had yet to be done).
We imported that video into Logic, hence we rendered it as lo-fi mpeg-1 cos it's good enuff for quality for composing soundtracks & audio to.
Then we used VST instruments to make the score. (Garriton, and some Native-Instruments stuff like Kontakt)
That's gotta now be fine tweaked to add those subtleties and do checks. Then it has to be rendered into individual audio files of the main parts for surround mixing, and also they get a finsihed full-mix so they can see hgow it should sound. In the dolby studio they do the certified mix (you cant get your Dolby Cert' display unless it's done in a 'Dolby' certified studio of course) they mix it to the final film edit along with any foley (added footsteps & whatever 'added afterwards' sounds)
anyways, im a bit drunk so i'm rambling, but hey, if you new to this, it might be fun. Your machine can certainly do it in theory powerwise. Having that extra 3rd dimension of the video/image is fascinating.
To change the subject, how do you import your video? (what card for connecting cameras)?
Tbh i'm new to this myself, picking stuff up as we go.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 15/19 21-Jan-06 @ 12:05 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 16/19 21-Jan-06 @ 12:19 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
......and thinking about stuff like convolution reverbs/reaktor etc
I work as a graphic designer so a fast system also helps for big Photoshop stuff - its so speedy.
....I was advised that the only bottleneck to having such a fast system would be HD access speed which is why I got the RAID strip config... also the people I got it off were doing a two-for-one on the particular HD i bought, the RAID stripe was only £6.. why not?
1. true, those con's eat cpu and Reators pretty greedy, i aint upgraded mine for ages, I think i've still got v4
2. well that depends how it's striped, I assume they did it for speed rather than data integrity. Anyways, what the hell, you can get wacking great Firewire drives realy cheap now, and thats where it's going as Firewire specs ramp up I guess. but if you keep some spare IDE cables handy and dont mid some maintainence/setup work, you can physicaly unplug standard IDE drives, bung in 2 new ones and get 1/2 Terrabyte of disk space for peanuts. Sure, it's nat as handy as caddy's or Firewire or SCSI, but it's bloody cheap!.. I have yet to test if a standard IDE setup can deliver HD video. I gotta test that out soon.
But the point is, we watch DVD's... that's the actual product, and the image is great. Well that's about 380mb for each 'reel' and thats DVD spec, and that is FINE to edit!, in fact it's overkill for editing in terms of the bulk of the work... sorting scenes/takes and compiling as you know... to tbh for everything but the hi-res stuff it's fine now to use a home system, huge amounts of work which used to cost tens of thousands (for small films that is) can be done by guys like you for alot less. It's cool do mix music work with film work, makes a change
interesting times anyways
where did you do film?
btw, the chroma-key stuff in Vegas is SO easy to use
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 17/19 21-Jan-06 @ 03:58 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
I'd be curious to see if a loaded VSTI-only session would playback continuously without problem. If it does, with your CPU near full load, then I would say you have a disk issue. Probably RAID-related. From what I've read (never used it myself), RAID controllers can be kinda finicky with DAW software. Especially ones built-in to motherboards. Is this what you have?
If the RAID thing is the problem, I would do a search here because a lot of cats over there have really sick machines and have run into and solved such issues. Sorry to keep pluggin gearslutz, btw k, just I really do think they have a wealth of knowledge on this subject.
But I would just just run the disks without RAID. Unless you're doing heavy (and I meant HEAVY) 96k recording or trying to run massive Gigasampler ensembles or an HD video stream alongside your DAW, it's really quite pointless to do RAID, especially with SATA drives.
Message 18/19 21-Jan-06 @ 11:55 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
I agree about all the RIAD stuff. I never ever have a PC problem apart from the usual occaisional conflict, but I always keep it straight, preferring to use more cpu power to start with than tweaking something of lower power. He's got gobs of power with that AMD 4000 CPU, I frankly dont think RAID is required nowadays exccept for security, but as you say, alot of problematic motherboards do tend to be the RAID versions, and the more 'fancy' the PC the more prone it seems to be to problems (of course).
It's a bitch this one cos there's no hard & fast answer. But something's interrupting the data sync between audio & software cycles and corrupting the data I spose. That e-mu... hmm... it's the only soundcard I've had problems with myself. I one machine which also had a firewire card fitted it just wouldnt co-operate and used to close Logic and would crash when trying to browse drives. I assumed it was some conflict because the emu 1820m has firewire also and fucntions as a firewire device.Anyways, they do have problems for people those e-mu's as you can see from the www.
also perhaps try SX2, not SX3, that sx3 crack loads some sort of app which acts as the dongle as i understand it, and the proggy is continualy calling the app cos the copy protect is build deeply into evey part of the programme rather than a straight 'on-boot' dongle check of previous versions.
I'd try SX2 first just to see if it makes a a difference.
btw James, one thing althought i doubt it'd make a difference but, on alot of pc's i've seen if you change the processor scheduling to background services, it can allow the sequencer to run into the CPU redline, i dunno if that's worth changing just as an experiment. You'll find it in control-panel/system/advanced/performance/advanced
change the scheduling to Background Services & reboot, but also add the VIA Hyperion patches.
after that try the usual change card-slot... try it in slot 3, but at least in any slot NOT next to the AGP card slot.
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 19/19 23-Jan-06 @ 09:33 AM - RE: SX3 Midi/Audion sync
Will let you know any outcomes. I'll probably ditch the raid config and see what happens there. I've got SX2 as well I think so I'll stick that on instead.
k wrote:
of shit!!.. I just re-read your post... lol, i feel prat now cos i talked to you like a noob, lol, sorry - edit those bits
haha - don't worry! Defo noob when it comes to vid stuff. As I say it was all cine super8 and analogue VHS stuff I did at college.
Thanks again for the pointers.
James
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