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Subject: sample quality from a turntable
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Original Message 1/9 29-Jun-07 @ 05:29 PM - sample quality from a turntable
Ive just picked up a 7 yr old good cond technics 1210 turntable from ebay to use just for sampling. I read I might have to get some kind of preamp to boost the phono output to standard line level, what do you think? The soundcard I will be using will either be the EMU 0404 or the (0808?). Im unsure what will be sufficient, and whether Ill need an extra preamp or not that has a turntable input.
Also, stylus wise, the current stanton 500 MkII sounds OK to me but its been in a loft for 6 or 7 years and apparantly this could mean its quality aint what it used to be. Do you think it might be worth getting a new one before I start amassing samples? If so, anyone know if elliptical tipped ones are the best for quality?
Thanks very much
Joe
Message 2/9 29-Jun-07 @ 08:47 PM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
another option - if you have a hifi amp with a pair of phono turntable inputs you could use that for the deck, and then record OUT to the pc IN via the amp's 'TAPE' OUT sockets or even via the headphone out on the amp if you make up a special cable to connect the heaphone stereo socket to the pc inputs
the tape-out option is best tho - the headphone one is just a last resort fix
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Message 3/9 29-Jun-07 @ 10:27 PM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
Im not sure if Ive understood correctly though! So I need a riaa preamp but the curve is drastic so it would sound like crap? So I dont need a riaa preamp? Do you think a dj mixer would be better then? (I dont have one by the way)
Thanks
Message 4/9 29-Jun-07 @ 11:55 PM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
there is , i want to say art something who make a device for plugging a turntable into instead of a dj mixer - has the 2 phon inputs and the ground connector. its black and purple....ill try and find
edit: how about this? http://www.decks.co.uk/products/accessories/deck_accessories/pre_amp
stylus wise, yes get a good quality needle/cartridge - theres a wealth to choose from at this site and you neednt spend a fortune but id probably choose something along the lines of this shure -
http://www.decks.co.uk/products/carts_styli/shure/whitelabel
theres alot of ortofons there too, both cheaper and more expensive.
alan
Message 5/9 30-Jun-07 @ 09:09 AM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
and the whitelabel cart in our store is way cheaper - £ 59.82 !
http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/shop/edit.cfm?product_id=165945&carrywith=s
the ART DEEJAYPRE II is 51 quid
but this one from SM proaudio is cheap
http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/shop/edit.cfm?product_id=109169&carrywith=
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Message 6/9 30-Jun-07 @ 09:20 AM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
so an riaa phono phono eq curve has a massive bass cut and a treble boost which is then reversed on play to re-equalise the curve used in the vinyl cutting/pressing - you can approximate the curve by cutting all your treble and boosting bass but it's jalfassed and the cartridge output level also is very low voltage and has to be brought up to line level, again, the riaa phono preamp does this
here's the playback eq curve
from wiki:
RIAA equalization is therefore a form of preemphasis on recording, and deemphasis on playback. A record is cut with the low frequencies reduced and the high frequencies boosted, and on playback the opposite occurs. The result is a flat frequency response, but with noise such as hiss and clicks arising from the surface of the medium itself much attenuated. The other main benefit of the system is that low frequencies, which would otherwise cause the cutter to make large excursions when cutting a groove, are much reduced, so grooves are smaller and more can be fitted in a given surface area, yielding longer playback times. This also has the benefit of eliminating physical stresses on the playback stylus which might otherwise be hard to cope with, or cause unpleasant distortio
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Message 7/9 04-Jul-07 @ 06:29 PM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
Message 8/9 11-Jul-07 @ 06:53 PM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
Thankyou very much for the useful technical info,
Joe
Message 9/9 12-Jul-07 @ 03:20 AM - RE: sample quality from a turntable
if you really care about the quality of your smaples, get a hifi cartridge. a cartridge is a transducer, like a microphone or speaker and has a great effect on the sound. dj ones are made for the abuse of club mixing or hip-hop djing. something like this shure which is a budget model based on the V-15 series, is made for quality sound reproduction. unless your djing, then get the dj spike.
hi k, hi blu.
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