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Subject: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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Original Message 1/9 28-May-08 @ 09:05 PM - Electric guitar fanciers..?
I shall probably be a lurking newb for a while, but I've just uploaded a series of decent-res clips under my name. If anyone fancies a listen and wishes to make(constructive) critical comments, by all means post here or mail me at the addy you see.
The clips are all 20-30secs of original tracks by me...I'm in the process of just tweaking the masters before I make the whole things available. It's prog rock/blues, with the guitar very much in ascendancy; I've been recording away for some years and have only just got round to getting the final articles together.
If you dislike the electric guitar with washes of strings, you'll loathe these...!
I hope I've not broken protocol of any kind by jumping straight in...this is a new venture for me, even if the music itself sounds as if it's been around for a while!
Message 2/9 02-Jun-08 @ 12:45 PM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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Message 3/9 02-Jun-08 @ 09:56 PM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
Well...at least you had time to appraise my playing as "not bad"...I'm glad it didn't need the whole 50 seconds for you to realise this...but, really no need for the tetchy tone.
Message 4/9 03-Jun-08 @ 04:27 PM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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i dont see anything 'tetchy' about it. Can you point me to this 'tetchiness' in my one written sentence?
Simply put: I can't assess a track without hearing the hook/chorus and arrangement any more than I can appraise a meal without tasting it. But if you think people can then good luck with it, but bare in mind you'll be up against the millions of bands and songwriters out there with full track available online, and people will just pass your intro's by in preference for those other full tracks they can hear properly.
What's exactly the problem with adding a full track anyways? what are you going to do if you want to send stuff in to labels? send them a bunch of intro snippets and hope they can see your vision by some sort of magical clairvoyance?
Therefore without a full track to hear, all i can say is this:
Well it's not bad playing from what can be heard in the few brief seconds available, but these snippets simply arent long enough to give any appraisal whatsoever.
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Message 5/9 04-Jun-08 @ 01:51 AM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
Point taken re hooks, etc;...yet I have had scores of comments in the week I've made these clips available, from people who have found that the clips' lengths allow much to be said about production, mixing, sound and texture, technique, etc;
"...up against the millions..."?: I'm not in a competition here; also, production and presentation equally well augment the chances of play. Also, I'm aware that 30 seconds of well-engineered and crafted work can speak better than verse-chorus-bridge-middle8 of generic hamburger muzack, for instance. Heck, I've been a musician long enough to know that there are quite a few people out there who are a little bit busy...!
And.... "what's exactly the problem with adding a full track anyways"..?
I beg your pardon: I do not have a "problem"...it's not compulsory, is it? Actually, I CHOOSE not to submit a whole track at this site for the time being..not because I have a problem, but because it's what I choose to do. Not that I need to educate you, of course, but I choose to do this partly for the same reason companies put out "teasers" before the main feature, partly because when I do upload full tracks, it will be largely in the knowledge that the whole versions won't have been circulated without my knowledge or permission...that the client will get an original, full-quality piece.
Yes, I could have added complete, lo-res versions, I admit...but I choose to ascertain the market, judge the take-up at several possible points of outlet..AND..I wish my listeners to have the best-mastered versions of the best that I can do. I also wanted to wait until the beta version of this site gives way to the full version...and when I am ready and happy, then I will pay my subs to the site that is the best choice for me.
(Sigh) Your "magical clairvoyance" bit of sneering....sorry, not even replying to this....that bit IS an exemplar of "tetchy", though, seeing as you had an issue with identifying the trait.
Message 6/9 04-Jun-08 @ 02:34 PM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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Also ".............arent long enough to give any appraisal whatsoever"......... Read as,
"..................arent long enough to give any serious appraisal................." Scans quite differently.
Now, whilst I am a bit of a hot-head myself usually, I do feel that maybe this is a drop-it-and-start-again situation.
I know Zig, and I know he's a talented man. I dont know admin, but i doubt he's out to get someone, so...................................................
On this occasion, lets just get to know each others eccentricities (if any), and go from there. Yes?
Message 7/9 04-Jun-08 @ 07:32 PM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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Message 8/9 07-Jun-08 @ 11:35 AM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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production wise (baring in mid it's an old track):
i'd probably get some girl to do the spoken word and mix it all ethereal, like the 'gladiator film vocals', but for speech. or. read it less like it's 'being read'. There's some bass popping on the vocal recording too.
apparently it's an old track, the piano sound is a bit dated but that's a matter of presets.
the percussion i'd like to hear more, and with more width and depth to it, some care could be taken with that, and although without real players it'd be laborious, i'd expand that percussion with more variety so it sounds more real and with more depth to the individual drums, which'd mean constructing the part from some individual drum samples to get more depth to the drums and get the eq better for individual drums. Right now they all have the same eq which I assume is because it's a loop and thus was eq'd as a whole. So it's quite mid-range and emphasises the bongo-style drum. With real percussion it's sound huge, well it should sound huge but not huge in volume.
Overally the mix is quite midrange i'd say but there's not alot of bass instruments. There's no bass in there as far as i can tell, and no drumkit, so one has to be careful to get a good balance without those factors providing the bass-end balance.
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Message 9/9 10-Jun-08 @ 09:55 AM - RE: Electric guitar fanciers..?
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