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Original Message 1/27             17-Jan-98  @  11:11 PM   -   Novation make me a h/w seq.

storjorden

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Schaltwerke and Maq11 or whatever... But there all so expensive.. And there sure is a market for hardware patternbased sequencers! I know a lot of techno/trance producers that'd love to have one.. Plz make one..



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Message 2/27             19-Jan-98  @  11:36 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

kilo

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TRUE.....the markets wide open for a 10/20 song 16 track sequencer (with an on off switch for each track)



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Message 3/27             19-Jan-98  @  07:03 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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Thanks for the suggestion! We lovbe feedback!



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Message 4/27             01-Mar-98  @  01:26 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

avrex

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The thing I don't understand is that EVERYONE wants a classic 'TR-909' style sequencer, yet no
company is planning/willing to make one. Does this make sense? The demand IS there (just take a look at how many MC-303's have been sold...).

Plus this isn't new technology, I'm sure something like this could be constructed and put to market in a matter of months.

Finally, if anyone is to make a hardware sequencer (TR-909 & additional tracks w/ arpegiator), it should be Novation... why? One word: DrumStation.



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Message 5/27             19-Mar-98  @  09:17 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Phill

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Yo! We love input tell us more!



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Message 6/27             28-Jul-98  @  10:01 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

kas

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YES, make us a HW-seq.
So I can throw away my ews64, bacause I really hate it. I used to work with mmt8, it works fine, than I went to software and comps....s**ks.

So probably next month you'll have one for us



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Message 7/27             28-Jul-98  @  01:59 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Muffy

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A few weeks ago I requested the same thing (In the "Tell us What you want section") - namely a reliable hardware sequencer possibly with a touch screen a la Korg (maybe a bit expensive though). Personally, I'd like a hardware sequencer that has the same features as todays software sequencers - such as ability to import mixer maps etc. People may think this sounds stupid but it isn't. A well designed, dedicated hardware sequencer must be better than a PC/MAC for making music especially if it has a decent "man/machine" interface. Come on Novation - this will be your next big thing especially as the technology is already there - no need to develop proprietery (cant spell) chips. I for one would purchase one (if the price was right and it had the features mentioned).



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Message 8/27             30-Jul-98  @  11:59 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Richie UK

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Yes!, A hardware sequencer that makes it easy to enter controllers and nrpn's in steps. (I love those jerky filter/controller gates). I'm sick of cakewalk and cubase, I don't want to buy a hardware version of those programs. I wan't to be inspired!! (PS make the colour BLOW my eyes out!!!).

Richie (W'Mids)  



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Message 9/27             31-Jul-98  @  01:14 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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Yeah, make it BLACK



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Message 10/27             05-Aug-98  @  04:05 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

kilo

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well, I have the design on paper....and it is a killer unit.. the sequencer to end all sequencers.... designed from a live show, fast working point of view.... my dream for live gigs and the studio... but more for live, cos i use an atari or pc to compose..... however this design has it all...... I'm always hassling Nova to make it... heh heh....maybe one day.....



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Message 11/27             05-Aug-98  @  09:17 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

YES!

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WE ALL WANT THAT!
WE ALL WANT THAT!
WE ALL WANT THAT!
WE ALL WANT THAT!
WE ALL WANT THAT!
MAKE THE INTERFACE LIKE A TRAKCER PROGGIE!



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Message 12/27             07-Aug-98  @  05:04 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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Well, I think that it is well about time for this to come to fruition!
Make it do essentially everything the quasimidi 309 does, have 8 seperate midi tracks,, knobs and all, but make it more stable, and cheaper, and we will stampede to your door.
BUT, one important addition you would need to make to the q309 idea. It would need to be able to sequence pads, strings, and long held notes, PLUS, be able to record midi input from other sources AND have triggerable motif type fill buttons that send midii. The 309 cannot do this.
Also, if you could accurately implement 303 slide via midi through pitch bend (of course, data thinning would be in order to not cause a midi jam) you would have more ppl than you know beating each other for it.
Make it somewhat like the 309, mc303, or cyber-6 but with no internal sounds and implement an accurate switchable 202/303/porta slide feature plus a bunch of controller knobs, Heck, maybe even make the slide envelope adjustable (logarithmic, parabolic linear, constant slide time, hz/sec) that could be really cool..
rob
get hot



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Message 13/27             10-Aug-98  @  05:28 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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I definately DO NOT want a toy like a 309 / MC303/505. I DO NOT want Motifs. Just give us a hardware sequencer NOT, I repeat NOT, an auto-accompniment tool (a la Bon Tempi) - I don't want to sound like everyone else! I hope I'm not in the minority here.....what does everyone else think.

Phil, could you give us a clue as to weather this will be a future product.



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Message 14/27             10-Aug-98  @  09:58 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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First of all, Muffy, have you EVER used a 309 OR a cyber-6 OR raven? Notice, I said "like"..
I didnt say "give me a unstable piece of crap with filtered gm sounds". If you want just a hardware sequencer, get a bunch of parts, a black box and build yer own..
BUT, if you know anything about production, you would know that the box and the knobs are most of the price you pay for synths, and to get ppl to buy it, you have to have more features otherwise ppl won't ( i KNOW i wouldnt) pay 500 bux for a unit that I could build for 50 bux!

As long as its stable and as long as you can go from song mode, pattern play mode, to step entry mode WITHOUT timing glitches, it would destroy any other sequencer out there..

Besides, I have seen ppl do VERY good trax with the mc303.. it seems like some of the purists are the only ones offended by it. Good music is good music..I have made cool noises with a damn kazoo, doesnt mean i bash kazoos cuz they arent analog and arent roland..
rob



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Message 15/27             10-Aug-98  @  10:07 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

cyborg0

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BTW, a sequencer or any piece of gear that is solely controlled by a touch screen is begging for disaster.. Novation, promise youll NEVER develop anything with a touch screen!  
Anyone ever used a Trinity? its a joke, slo as hell.. might as well just use a pc..



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Message 16/27             11-Aug-98  @  11:23 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Muffy

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I dont want to get into an ARGUMENT about what constitutes a good hardware sequencer. The point I was trying to make was that I, personally, dont want an auto-accompniment machine which is basically what MC303/505 and 309's are. By the way, I sold my Quasimidi 309 after 1 month although I do still own a Raven (but for how long?). I borrowed an MC505 for a week and was bored with it within a day. So Novation, what do you think?



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Message 17/27             11-Aug-98  @  01:07 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

kilo

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agreed about the trinity... i thought it was just me !....



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Message 18/27             11-Aug-98  @  05:21 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Muffy

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From the discussion above its obvious people are very passionate about owning a "decent" hardware sequencer (the more features, the better) and ditching their PC/MAC software.
How about : Novation SuperSequencer.....to join the SuperSampler ;-))
Remember : Lots of Knobs & Sliders.



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Message 19/27             13-Aug-98  @  11:54 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

Phill

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I know about Trnity touch screens, our plot with the supernova was to have "real" knobs rather than "slow" virtual ones! Try tweaking a filter @ 3am in a bangin club on a virtual screen!!
Not for me!!

Keep those ideas comin.



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Message 20/27             29-Aug-98  @  04:36 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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Personally, I don't want to give up my pc for sequencing tracks, but at the same time, I rarely come up with leads or basses on the computer that I do sending cv out of my 202. there's a charachter about it that just never comes across, I am VERY interested in owning a h/w seq, but I am not willing to spend more the 3-500 dollars. I don't think this cost is at all to low if you designed to be integrated with a software sequencer. Maybe different knob to select the bank, pattern, and step your editing, than just a row of sliders controling pitch, velocity, release, and maybe a couple of assignable controlloers. then just a section for tempo control, and your done. The seller for me would be din/cv/gate outs as well as midi. You could program your lines on the sequencer, and either send em out via midi to the computer, or trigger (and retrigger) the patterns with a midi note(maybe even transpose with midi as well) This setup would pretty much cover everythin I could want in a hardware sequencer, and fit it all in a box the size of a 303. I'm not sure how long I've drone on here, but I think I got it all. . . Oh yeah whoever mentioned the mimiced 303 slide. . . excellent idea, don't know how easy that would be to implement though. . .



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Message 21/27             01-Sep-98  @  02:04 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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I second the idea that it shouldnt be over 500 bux...
AND, it needs to have AT LEAST 8 trax, with each track being able to send ANY type of data on ANY channel, Doepher screwed up big in this area.. I mean, you can either get the Regelwerk, with faders but VERY limited sequencing capability (but, with 8 trax and you only get to send note and length data, no controllers) OR you can get the maq16 (any controller data) and only get THREE trax?!"! for 700 bux? they can kiss my **S!! What a crock.. Its not that damn hard..So, dont anybody go off half-cocked and get a Doepher sequencer without knowing what yer gettting into.. I ALMOST did, thank god I figgered all this out ahead of time Well, Futureretro is releasing a really good sequencer that will heat things up, i cant wait..
rob



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Message 22/27             17-Sep-98  @  01:01 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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ALL I KNOW IS THE NEW FUTURERETRO 777 SOUNDS AND LOOKS THE BUSINESS! SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN THE 303 SOUND AND MORE AND TRUE CLASSIC HARDWARE SEQUENCING IN TO THE NEXT MILLENIUM!



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Message 23/27             19-Nov-98  @  11:44 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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It's interesting to hear from people who say they bought a peice of kit and sold it within a week.

There are two points here.

1. You obviously did no research into the item or made any attempt to use one before you bought. Your problem.

2. It is not possible to evaluate a peice of equipement in one week. It may be possible to play through the presets and dislike them but learning a new peice of equipement takes time and patience. Your problem.

This is in response to someone above who said they got rid of the 309 in a week. Why did you buy it ?? If you didn't need its capabilities then why buy.

I have a 309. I also have a Nord 2, AN1x, Pulse, Bass Station and drum station. I would not want to sell any of them.

The 309 is not a 303+808+909 (nor is the MC303) but it's a good box with a useable sequencer. Before you sold the 309 did you ever try using the sequencer to program ? Did you ever use the sequencer to drive any other kit (it is absolutely brilliant with the Pulse).

I use cakewalk. It's great for arranging. However I program much of my stuff on the 309. (and much of my drums on the AN1x !!)

The 309 synth can hold it's own against any other kit I have. Not every sound in a good track needs to be a tearing lead sync sound from hell. I did a quick check, the 309 synth is the only peice if kit I have used in every track I've finished.

I'm not trying to say the 309 is the ultimate machine, it's not (it's not even close). What I am trying to say is that all kit has its place.

Just learn to use it !!!!.

Paul



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Message 24/27             16-Dec-98  @  07:50 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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I'd use an mmt8 if it had a disk drive. I'm tired of taking my notebook to gigs and worrying if it's gonna fritz cuz of tha smokers. I've been lusting after the mc50mkII for quite some time and it seems to be the most reliable of hardware ext seqs. I'd like to see some real time pattern player/recorders similar to those found on the Korg N264 on a seq. Also programmable knobs which send mod data (0-127) to midi tracks during recording and which mod sounds during performance. I have to put my Emu Launch Pad before my PC when recording trax to send mod slider changes, and unplug it and reconnect it after my PC and before my Orbit in order to do live manipulation of mod settings.
-relaps
PS Phill rawks!



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Message 25/27             16-Dec-98  @  08:54 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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Hello Novation

Please take this seriously. It seems to have a lot of support - are you taking this topic seriously?

Lots of people would like to do dance music live - especially if would could do our track like we're DJing them. There are lots of ideas I have for doing tracks live but they're all dependent on being able to handle:

Flicking in groups of tracks, not just tracks.

Mute and unmuting groups.

Being able to add in fills!

Being able to merge 'performances' seamlessly.

There is LOADS of scope here. Please make one of these things! Do you have any plans to????

J



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Message 26/27             25-Dec-98  @  03:19 PM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

irman

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you guys should make one good pattern based-sequencer. sometime in the line of those new yamaha ones, but with more tracks and more songs, and one that allows continuous recording throughout the tracks (that's the main weakness of those MC-x0xs...). the QY series where better in this context. dont use a touch-screen, enable microscopic step-sequencing, and out it all in a compact package without all the unnecessary garbage (i.e. 'lazer' beams). look at those doepfer ones..... too expensive....



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Message 27/27             29-Dec-98  @  07:07 AM   -   RE: Novation make me a h/w seq.

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I'm blown away by this borrowed piece of equipments sound, ease of use and looks. I love the interface and your easy to grasp introduction to analog synthesis in the front of the manual.
It's just a pitty that this stuuny piece of equipment is so damn expensive here in South Africa hence I will keep on dreaming.



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