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Subject: Nova's vocoder
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Original Message 1/15 01-Dec-99 @ 09:29 AM - Nova's vocoder
I'm realling thinking about buying the Nova but I need some more info about its vocoder.
Actually I'm wondering if you can "modulate" your vocoded voice thanks to the keyboard(??).Okok,keep cool,here's what I mean.
For instance,if I sing a note(C)through the vocoder,can I change the pitch of my voice by playing notes on my master keyboard(like with samplers:you record a sample,map it on the keyboard,and play it at different pitches)and get a G for example?
Sorry if my question sounds stupid,but I saw a guy doing that in a gig recently("dax riders" if you've heard of them):he was talking in a mic plugged into his synth,and he could change his voice pitch by playing notes on the keyboard.
Message 2/15 01-Dec-99 @ 11:58 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Technically, the vocoder splits the modulator signal in a number of bands(40 on the Nova) and reads the amplitude of those. Then it splits the carrier signal too, and then applies the amplitude of the modulator to the bands of the carrier signal and then puts together the whole chunk(carrier) again, and itīs the carrier thats heard.. This means that the resulting sound will get the pitch and a little timbre from the carrier, but the amplitude and the some of the timbre will be decided by the modulator..
Depending on the carrier signal, the vocoder can sound anything from robotic(like Kraftwerk) to angelic(like AIR) but can also be used more subtly like on Believe with cher.
You donīt have to limit yourself to vocals either, you can vocode drumbeats, guitars and hell, you could even vocode apefarts just as long as it sound good =)
Message 3/15 06-Dec-99 @ 04:23 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
, everything juno-sith said is valid except that the effect in Believe by Cher was done using Anteres Autotune and not a vocoder, although the effect is similar
Peace
Message 4/15 06-Dec-99 @ 08:25 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Actually the effect was made using a Digitech Talker, which is a more vocoder-like effect, although I agree that the effect on Believe sounds exactly like too much autotune, and if I didnīt know that it wasnīt, i would sure think so too..
http://www.pixelite.com/windaw/techniques/messages/1852.html
Message 5/15 06-Dec-99 @ 11:59 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Just donīt get to the conlucion that itīs made with autotune because it has the obvious pitch quantisation effect, because as we all know the vocoder can do that as well depending on the carrier signal..
Well this is now kinda off-topic now.....
Peace! =)
Message 6/15 12-Dec-99 @ 03:10 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Regards,
V
Message 7/15 12-Dec-99 @ 11:03 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Message 9/15 12-Dec-99 @ 02:06 PM - RE: Nova's vocoder
Message 10/15 12-Dec-99 @ 11:47 PM - RE: Nova's vocoder
V
Message 11/15 13-Dec-99 @ 11:24 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
But it was anteres...you try it...
Phill
Message 12/15 16-Dec-99 @ 09:11 PM - RE: Nova's vocoder
I'm sorry, but it was the Digitech.
I know Autotune sounds exactly the same, but you should try the Digitech: it can do exactly this effect as well. Anyway, that's not important: the result important and they did a great job at creating a gimmick. I'll be sending an MP3 sound to you of a sound that I'd like. Check your mail.
Ciao,
Joeri
Message 13/15 28-Dec-99 @ 09:39 PM - RE: Nova's vocoder
if you like, could you explain us how to obtain that 'Cher effect' with the Nova vocoder?
Tried some things out but I miss something (i.e.do I have to mix the original voice and the vocoded signal?)
Thanks
Message 14/15 30-Dec-99 @ 06:17 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
It is pitch correction using a harmoniser. Anteres can do it cos you can set the pitch correction as a %.
Setting this to 100% gets this effect.
Message 15/15 30-Dec-99 @ 06:52 AM - RE: Nova's vocoder
heheheI took a look at the article posted by juno-sith, and indeed it does indicate that the digitech talker was used...
HOWEVER, let me just offer this:
about 6 months ago, I worked with one of the producers of the song... we were working on the tune Dove L'Amore, a radio-remix actually, and this very subject came up... according to the producer, it was autotune....
perhaps the digitech talker plus cubase plus nord story was created to make it sound more innovative than it actually was
hehehe or, perhaps the producer just forgot i can tell you tho, that the majority of the vocals on the record are heavilly autotuned and edited... perhaps this is turning into a conspiracy bigger than the JFK assasination perhaps we will never know I just know that if _I_ had to tell a magazine how i engineered something, i would make up some story to make me sound REAL cool too like i sent the vox out to a speaker, placed underwater, next to an oil pipeline which ran underground, near a subway station, where a certain train runs at 3:15pm that has a certain resonance that enhances the vocals, and mic'd the results id tell em that, rather than just admit that it was the 'small church' preset in my 480L with all the parameters set at default ... who knows tho... its just what i was told vs. printed text... Cher's too old anyways
Cheers,
Mike
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