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Original Message 1/48 31-May-97 @ 12:56 PM - rebirth 338

KID303

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HAS ANYONE BOUGHT AND USED THE OFFICIAL PRODUCT YET? IF SO WHAT PROBLEMS HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF IT?
WHAT ABOUT PC SPECS? I'VE A P100.16MEG RAM AND A AW32 SOUNDCARD. DON'T THINK I'VE GOT DIRECT X . HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO HAVE A DIRECT X DRIVER INSTALLED AND IF SO DOES THIS CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS?

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Message 2/48 01-Jun-97 @ 09:37 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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well I'm real pissed of actually, cos I downloaded the official demo release..whereas I had been using the beta....I downloaded it cos I wanted to test out the midi sync thing....which was not working with the alpha version..
anyhow....it wouldn't sync...so against my better judgement, I downloaded & installed thier special midi driver, which they said would guarantee that more than 2 programmes could comunicate .....so I nstalled it....and it did sync...but strangely, the rebirth hogged the audio drivers....so icouldn't get any audio from the sync'd programme.....that was the first bummer...cos i cant run the pc midi & h/d software outputing audio whilst the rebirth is up...
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but then came the worst.....the midi drivers i installed proceeded to overide ant sysex sends so now I cant select sounds or worst....turn off internall sounds on the soundcard....absolute bummmer......so I went to rid the system of the driver....WHAT!!!,,,....they are not listed in the system......despite being installed & working they just do not appear in the "Sound,video & game controlller" section....DESPITE BEING INSTALLED THERE....

so thats as far as I got....my pc's midi system is fucked.....brillliant....anyhow, I emailed propellorheads with a grrrrrrrrrr email....now I'm real suspicious, cos NO programmes that are any good should do this.....I'm waiting for a reply...and hope I can sort it out.....

anyone else have problems with the programme hogging audio or the driver shagging the midi system???....I never had these problems with other programmes except for that bloody Koan rubbish !!!.....

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Message 3/48 02-Jun-97 @ 01:37 AM - RE: rebirth 338

kid303

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THANKS FOR THE WARNING!! THINK I'LL STEER CLEAR UNTIL I HEAR THAT ALL IS OK.

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Message 4/48 02-Jun-97 @ 10:17 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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ok....well I wrote the above reply from my mates machine over the other side of town....now it's moinday morning...I've been thru all the sysedot files...and manually deleted all the lines refering to the drivers......but...

Alot of newer users are not going to find this
....so I think it would be very wise for Steinberg/Propellorheads
to include an Uninstall.exe file so users can easily rid
the system of these drivers & the programme.....also
....why are these midi drivers invisible to the win system lists.....??
....now we just have these 2 problems...Rebirth will be a
complete failure if you cannot run other audio with it
......then we've got the midi screwing problem
....basically....it was overiding or diverting any
sysex data going from either the sysex writing
programmme, or sysex sent from the sequencer to the
DB50XG......these definately need sorting out I guess,
because whats the point of being able to clock the
rebirth to your programmme, if then you looose your vocal
audio , or whatever audio is needed....

So....I'd say....great little freebee programme for making some 303 lines and recording them to your sampler or dat......but you cannot seriously charge 200 quid for this unless these problems are sorted.....this is not a dig at proppelorheads alone.....But I just find it incredible that companies can release software with such rediculously obvious faults, and yet how can they not have seen this problem after a few test runs....especially simple stuff like the drivers not showing up in the system lists.....I just cant figure how no-one could have seen this........

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Message 5/48 02-Jun-97 @ 02:12 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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well....I've calmed down a bit now.....so there ya go anyhow,,,,you cant have audio from rebirth & from the Midi & h/d software...so its record to .wav file if you want to add rebirth to your midi & audio tracks.......as for the dissapearing drivers....delete the file MIDLPBK.DLL from your windows system dir/folder......I think the best way to use this is to record the audio across to h/d or sampler...thing is then, with programmes like hammerhead giving you a proper dance drum sound, is the 200 quid worth it for a 303 software ??.....maybe there will be a cheaper one along....personally for the dosh, I'd rather have a hardware TSB-303 which are like soundwise the same, but about the same price....if only the rebirth was a bit cheaper...like around 100 quid would be ok...

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Message 6/48 02-Jun-97 @ 02:14 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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unless that is, your soundcard supports directx...

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Message 7/48 06-Jul-97 @ 11:37 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kid303

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So rebirth has been out officially now. Has anyone
bought the full product and can they give their opinion
on its worth and shortcomings?
The latest demo has an uninstall programme Kilo,so
they must have listened!!!!!
The price is �145 new,not �200.

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Message 8/48 07-Jul-97 @ 12:36 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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test...1....2.....3.

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Message 9/48 07-Jul-97 @ 07:31 AM - RE: rebirth 338

david

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When I got my hands on the full version I thught this is gonna be so cool. Strangely you have to have the disk in the drive when you start the program.
The Rhythm section sucks big time even if you put it through a compressor and an enhancer.
Kilo is correct in saying one should stream to disc.
The two 303s are great, What more can I say...

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Message 10/48 07-Jul-97 @ 07:31 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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Message 11/48 07-Jul-97 @ 04:55 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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Agreed......what really is the fuck-off....is that on the propellorhead site, they say that the 808 & 303 are being used together as the main techno tools for years....which is kak...it is 909.....for me this is the letdown, the drums are 808 mostly unusable.....if only they made a 909 version it would be cooler......

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Message 12/48 08-Jul-97 @ 07:47 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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buggered if i`d pay 140 quid or 200 quid for this piece of software , its good , but not that good !

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Message 13/48 08-Jul-97 @ 08:40 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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well lets get this in perspective a bit....2 303's for 140 quid....it's ok really.....maybe they should bring out a Rebirth LITE....with only one 303 and nowt else !!

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Message 14/48 09-Jul-97 @ 01:03 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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OK, but there still 303 pixels ! , How about some hardware , maybe a Knob box , so its easier to tweak rather than trying to eratically ram yer mouse up and down trying to get a fix on the filter knobs etc , then it will most defenetly be worth 200 quid !

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Message 15/48 11-Jul-97 @ 05:05 AM - RE: rebirth 338

etapper

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a knob box is a good idea, me@steinberg... although i'm
not too keen on the idea of additional hardware (i'm short
on ports available)... i was thinking some way to assign
the modulation and pitch bend wheels on my (albeit OLD)
kawai k1 to specific knobs... but then ya got that delay
issue... *sigh*
-laterz

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Message 16/48 11-Jul-97 @ 06:19 AM - RE: rebirth 338

NBenford

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MY DREAM SOFTWARE:
It needs a knob box, which interacts through midi, 2 303's, one 909, a drum machine where you can put in your own samples, and a synth like a Juno or Moog which you can load your own samples and use the filters! (both?) And it's free ninty nine! Then maybe!!!

Noel

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Message 17/48 11-Jul-97 @ 06:49 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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Personally, I'd love it if it had a choice of a few more different drum machines and synths, and being able to choose which 3 you'd like to use. I'd also like to see a Minimoog, Pro 1, 727, 909, DMX, MC202 etc, etc.

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Message 18/48 11-Jul-97 @ 04:37 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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well........ I haven't had time to get into a proper midi test of the Rebirth......but didn't you guys notice the midi section on the Rebirth??........it says you can assign controllers ....so... I'll be giving it a go soon to check it out...in the meantime....suck it & see......

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Message 19/48 14-Jul-97 @ 03:55 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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My demo version clicks a fair bit when there's a lot playing. I don't think I've set it up properly originally. If I ever use it I'll probably just sample 303 lines off it.

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Message 20/48 15-Jul-97 @ 12:02 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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I agree! I absolutely think that they should make another version with a Roland TR909 instead of the 808!
The you could make music like "Hardfloor", they are barely not using other stuff than 2 303�s, a 909 and a sampler (sounds so anyway!)

/ Charly2

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Message 21/48 15-Jul-97 @ 12:03 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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Message 22/48 15-Jul-97 @ 10:03 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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WOW , a 303 and a 909 , theres a combination ,why diddnt anyone think of that before , what a tosspot, everthing now-adays has a 909 and 303 somewhere along the line
time for a change i rekon !

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Message 23/48 15-Jul-97 @ 12:40 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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well, sadly, Steinberg have snapped up Bram Bos for his 'Hammerhead' software which should be
appearing in the shops at some point in the future with an accompanying Steinberg price tag
....so i'D ADVISE YOU TO GET OVER TO THE sYNTH SECTION HERE AND GET THE FREE
VERSION DOWNLOADED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.........

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Message 24/48 29-Jul-97 @ 07:23 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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hey kilo,

...too late (re: Hammerhead)

Ratfink

BTW. I LOVE THIS SITE!!!!

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Message 25/48 29-Jul-97 @ 07:24 AM - RE: rebirth 338

wsf

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hey kilo,

...too late (re: Hammerhead)

Ratfink

BTW. I LOVE THIS SITE!!!!

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Message 26/48 04-Aug-97 @ 06:49 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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If you know where to look on the net you can get Rebirth
for free!! Apply a patch and you can upgrade the demo
to the full version..ha ha ha ha!! It's not worth the full
price but for free it's a good laugh. Long live the hacker

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Message 27/48 04-Aug-97 @ 09:44 AM - RE: rebirth 338

Burp

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A-men brother!

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Message 28/48 04-Aug-97 @ 04:09 PM - RE: rebirth 338

nathan

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So where do you get this ?

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Message 29/48 04-Aug-97 @ 04:31 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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Yeah! where?

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Message 30/48 04-Aug-97 @ 04:43 PM - RE: rebirth 338

zelquan72

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Well come on, tell us !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Message 31/48 04-Aug-97 @ 05:01 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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we're throbbing in anticipation

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Message 32/48 05-Aug-97 @ 05:30 AM - RE: rebirth 338

Guy

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I have the full versions of Cool Edit, Sound Forge 4.0, ReBirth, SEQ-303, Rubberduck, and more for FREE!!! Just need to find the right WaReZ web site and abra-kadabra. Mucho free software.

Britain

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Message 33/48 05-Aug-97 @ 09:50 AM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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well I can understand the logic of this thinking if we're talking a massive 400 quid for something overpriced like Wavelab.......but it's a bit sad to get a crack for a programme which costs only 15 deutchmarks.........that is well sad you tight git........Like, these D-Lusion guys are just at Uni, and are into techno, and made the programme, and set a real-cheap musician friendly price so everyone can get it.........and still you think it aint worth sending them a few dollars.......well sad mate, well sad.....

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Message 34/48 05-Aug-97 @ 11:57 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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I tihnk it's mainly Rebirth these guys are after, I mean Steinberg are still gonna make money. Steinberg just need to get their act together and start putting some decent copy protection in their programs. 90% of Cubase users I know use the crack versions, even in a number of commercial studios. As for Rubber Duck, I wouldn't mind buying it if there was a safe and secure way to pay for it.

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Message 35/48 05-Aug-97 @ 06:05 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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well, i've talked alot with the d-lusion crew and they are cool.....you will be safe sending them some reg. money

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Message 36/48 06-Aug-97 @ 06:11 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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Actually, I'm not too familiar with their currency, any idea what the price would equal in dollars or even pounds.

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Message 37/48 06-Aug-97 @ 09:50 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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i wouldnt pay 200 quid for rebirth,its just not worth 200 quid, �50 is about right, These companies deserve what they get when they try and release software that is clearly not worth its money and people crack it, take microsoft for example, they release office 97 for SHIT loads of money , then take it off the shelves because of a million bugs reported (fucking idiots), anyway , my point is , drop the price , and there WILL be less piracy!

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Message 38/48 06-Aug-97 @ 08:39 PM - RE: rebirth 338

Kilo

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well is that actually accurate.... I agree in theory...but check the oposting above.......the author is saying he is using cracks for programmes costing only 20 Dm.....(very cheap !!)......so I dunno.....maybe steinberg think...."oh well we lose 60% sales to cracks......so we put a high price to make up the shortfall".....maybe !!

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Message 39/48 07-Aug-97 @ 05:07 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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It is really sad to see companies being ripped off. Also sad to see some authors who wrote music software for free to be lured into money traps like Steinburg.

Grassy

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Message 40/48 07-Aug-97 @ 09:25 AM - RE: rebirth 338

Kilo

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yeah but check it......the guy maybe wants to make a living...............anyway.....there are many authors out there who can make a similar programme to hammerhead such as Zap who programmed the Stomper.....all these guys can create a similar product.......so maybe we need to sponser them !!!.......

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Message 41/48 07-Aug-97 @ 09:30 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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good idea

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Message 42/48 11-Aug-97 @ 02:34 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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Kilo: If Steinberg were used the opposite logic, i.e.
"oh, why don't we sell rebirth at �500, coz then people
are really gonna wanna buy it...", everybody would be happy.

I mean, Bram Bros has managed to make a great comp. drum-machine
, and he's not asking any money for it....But I am willing
to PAY for rubberduck, wavesurgeon, stomper(free!), and hammerhead(free!)
since they're not asking insane prices, in fact, everybody can EASILY afford it..

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Message 43/48 11-Aug-97 @ 07:53 PM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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agred.....I think we have to see the advent of sensible s/w prices......cos stuff like recycle selling at the same price as a s/h pentium pc is a joke....Maybe a few years ago.....but that's marketing !.

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Message 44/48 15-Aug-97 @ 12:42 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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I think Seinberg is gonna go down after D-LUSION sets up shop
I can't wait to see what this "Something Big" they're working
on is. To bad Bram Bos didn't join with them. Maybe he will
when D-LUSION comes up PHAT! I have faith in these guys.

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Message 45/48 15-Aug-97 @ 12:48 AM - RE: rebirth 338

LuThai

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It seems there's some kind of coalition against Steinberg.
I've seen a number of Steinbergs' software floating around
on the net. Including cracks and full versions of Cubase Audio
and ReBirth 338.

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Message 46/48 15-Aug-97 @ 01:21 AM - RE: rebirth 338

kilo

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Bram HAS joined Steinberg !!...hammerhead willbe in the shops sometime with a steinberg badge.......price ????..dunno

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Message 47/48 19-Aug-97 @ 03:10 PM - RE: rebirth 338

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that SUCKS

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Message 48/48 26-Aug-97 @ 01:11 AM - RE: rebirth 338

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This should put the "all software should be free"
moralizing going on here in perspective. If someone can
get paid to make cool shit, more power to 'em -- more
cool shit for us all.

Quoted from the HammerHead info page:

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Some serious stuff:

Hey, PropellerHeads, check this out: I do
it for free... No save-disabling ! Say hello
to your friends at Steinberg - I hope you
have fun with your Rebirth (and get rich
with it).

Hey, D-Lusion dudez... You're my kind of
people. Do crazy stuff for the millions !
Maybe we can team up some day. I'm
looking forward to those new Zerres
apps you're working on...

Bye - have fun...
Bram Bos
bram.bos@student-kmt.hku.nl
(05-25-97)
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