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Original Message 1/47 16-Jun-97 @ 09:53 PM - Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

jocke

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what would be the best choice of a virtual analogue synth, in average that is. The Roland JP-8000, Yamaha AN1x or Nordlead2? Has anyone tried these machines and being able to compare them?

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Message 2/47 05-Sep-97 @ 08:58 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Read Future Music Magazine for September 97.

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Message 3/47 05-Sep-97 @ 11:06 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Kilo

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GUYs.....You gotta trust me here.........If you want analog modelling, There is another synth on the way soon........due out in the late autumn, that will piss on these......so wait a bit and see !!!......

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Message 4/47 06-Sep-97 @ 01:38 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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There is always something better coming. Whatever it is it is going to be expensive. At least it may end up dropping the price of the JP 8000 and Yamaha an1. This is kind of off the subject but how does the Roland XP-50 compare to the Yamaha and JP 8000. I've been thinking about buying one of them then today I saw a used XP-50. It was really nice. But I'm not sure.

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Message 5/47 06-Sep-97 @ 01:39 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Message 6/47 06-Sep-97 @ 07:14 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

avene

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What's that you're talking about Kilo, the new Korg, or the polyphonic Novation? Or is there another? I haven't heard the ANX1, but I've checked out the 8000, and I think it's a rip off. I doesn't sound that good either.

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Message 7/47 07-Sep-97 @ 12:50 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Cllu

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I�ve played with the an1x. Its really nice.

JP-8000 maximum two sounds: split or double
Knobs etc for everything, responding to midi, recordeable, arpegiator, delay

NORD Lead 2: Swedish synth

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4 outputs, 4 channels
knobs that resonds to midi, recordeable. 100 user, arpegiator

AN!X: ONe channel, sterro output, 8 asignable knobs. Lots of different sounds (samples). arpegiator, effects, reverb, chorus, variation.

The nord lead has got pretty hard and sharp sounds, becasue of its fm-filter. i dont know how it does the strings, but since the JP is supposed to do all the things that a juno can, the jp gotta to be good at that. But since the nord is like 4 different synthesizers in one the price/synth is the lowest. The an1x also has got 4 channels.. but they use the same output and all the sounds has to be played at the same time (not really, you can split it over different paths). If you already has a keyboard (that you like ;), remember that its only the nord that is avalible in rackform. The jp8000 is the sexiezzt one, it looks "old and analog".
About the xp50! Think of twice, hope you know what yer doing. It cannot be compared wtih these other synths.

bye bye

Bj�rn

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Message 8/47 07-Sep-97 @ 12:57 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

cllu

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Sorry, if forgot to tell ya.
What about the raven, or the raven+max? Or what about the orbit? if you buy that filtercontrolboard ot what its called it would be a good deal.

bye bye

Bj�rn

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Message 9/47 08-Sep-97 @ 04:52 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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What is a filter control board? Are you saying that I might be more satisfied with the orbit sound module than the JP 8000, Yamaha an1 or the Roland XP-50.

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Message 10/47 08-Sep-97 @ 10:37 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kilo

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what about if i told you there was a new analog modelling synth coming out before christmas
with 8.... yes...8 part multimode, and 8...yes....8 outputs.....and...8....yes....8 seperate fx processors !!!......heh heh.......stay tuned & save your money !!!!

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Message 11/47 08-Sep-97 @ 07:12 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

nimanda

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Actually I think there is another bigger shark swimming around from Clavia, it�s called Nord Modular and is a polyphonic synthesizer where you create your synthesizer, from scratch, on a computer screen. The Sounds are generated by an external hardware module with a two octave keyboard and knobs (18 knobs that can be assigned to different parameters ,all send MIDI,) on the computer screen you create patches using "virtual cables" that connects between the various modules (OSC, VCF, VCA, LFO's, etc. the modules are 100%software!! 4 modular synthesizers in One!!!!!!

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Message 12/47 09-Sep-97 @ 05:02 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

earthworld

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Kilo!!! What is this new synth. your talking about. You can't leave us hanging like that

If you get this message, please e-mail me. Thanx. OH YEA. What do you all think about the rave-o-lution 309. Quasimidi has some good stuff out, huh?

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Message 13/47 09-Sep-97 @ 06:21 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

avene

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Whatever happened to the Korg Oasys ?

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Message 14/47 09-Sep-97 @ 10:17 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

KILO

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You just have to trust me on this one........it's coming before christmas

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Message 15/47 09-Sep-97 @ 12:38 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kid303

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Regarding the Korg Oasys,i contacted Korg and they
said it will be out at xmas....definitely,maybe!!!

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Message 16/47 09-Sep-97 @ 04:24 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Sedusa66

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About how much will this one set us back, Kilo?

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Message 17/47 09-Sep-97 @ 06:58 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

KILO

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It would be about 1400 quid.........

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Message 18/47 09-Sep-97 @ 07:02 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

KILO

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It would be about 1400 quid.........

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Message 19/47 09-Sep-97 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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would it be about 1400 quid.........?....just kidding, sorry

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Message 20/47 10-Sep-97 @ 01:06 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Anon

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What is 1400 quid in English... I mean American.

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Message 21/47 10-Sep-97 @ 10:44 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kilo

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get a calculator....and check the curency prices in the Tribune....however, this would not be the 100% fixed price.....that descision would be taken by the US distributor...but it would giove you an idea

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Message 22/47 13-Sep-97 @ 04:00 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

cllu

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What is a filter control board? Are you saying that I might be more satisfied with the orbit sound module than the JP 8000, Yamaha an1 or the Roland XP-50.

Just had to write that so you would know what i was reffering to.
If you just need one new sound, then the nord or an1x or jp8000 would be a good (kilo! theres something very strange with this box, backspace doesnt delete but space does!).
Anyway the point is that if you dont have got any sounds at all (drummachine, sampler etc) then the orbit would be an excellento a �la choice. And please forget about the xp50 if you are going to create goa, acid, trance, techno and HC!

bye bye

Bj�rn

Ps Kilo, are you using webpad to make these boxes? If so, can you help and tell me what i should write?
ds

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Message 23/47 15-Sep-97 @ 01:04 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I got a CD in the mail today from the music store I buy all my gear at. It was a Korg demo CD of the Z1. The letter that came with it said " forget the ANX1, K5000, JP8000.... comparing the Z1 to these units is like comparing a Ferrari to a pushbike...". The letter also implied that because the Z1 is so good it will make the prices of these other machines drop.

And then the price...for $4500 (Australian) you get the 12 voice version, and for $5000 you get the 18 voice version. Now I'm thinking, for this sort of money it's gotta be pretty incredible.

I put the CD in..there's 15 Z1 demo tracks on there... I play the 1st track...na, that sounds shit, NEXT, ..2nd track-NEXT, NEXT, NEXT.....This went on until I'd got to the end of the CD. The only 2 words I would use to describe it would have to be "Digitial Crap". The sounds I heard on these demos really did suck. It's got these physical modeling sounds aswell as the analog stuff ..most of the demos featuring these sounded like those tunes you get on a Casio organ. Some of the music was actually pretty decent though, it's just the sounds that sucked...

I don't know..I wish manafacturers wouldn't release shit like this - you end up hearing all these crappy sounds all over nearly every pop record in the top 10. I'm sure someone could probably do something decent with it, but considering most muso's don't edit they're sounds, this would be a rare occurance.

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Message 24/47 16-Sep-97 @ 08:09 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

S-bear

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all demos suck big time!

Bj�rn

have you heard realitys demo (software!), it sucked more than a hoe from NY! (i guess anyway, I havent had so much experience with hoes from NY)

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Message 25/47 17-Sep-97 @ 03:39 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

avene

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Yeah I guess all demos suck, but this Z1 cd really takes the cake....

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Message 26/47 26-Sep-97 @ 05:07 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Hi Guys,

I was just reading your Virtual analog discussion and I tought I would add my opinions. I've got both Nord Lead and JP-8000 along with Novation SBS and Drum Station. I think Kilo is talking about the upcoming Novatin Super Nova. I have seen the picture of it and read about the specs. That synth will kick some serious ass when it's out. I am saving money for it.
I think JP-8000 is a great synth. Warm and fat sounds even better than Nord. They go great together though. I love both of them. Whoever thinks 8000 is a bad synth, I'd like to hear his opinion in which synth is good on ASM.

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Message 27/47 26-Sep-97 @ 06:34 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Nords are nice because they have a unique sound, like you can listen to a track and say 'cool analog sound' for the Juno and then 'cool Nord sound'. Underworld uses some of the presets, and it really stands out. The JP-8000 and AN-1x seem to kinda' be like really close, but not quite, so what's the fuckin' point?

Plus, Swedish people are sweet hearts, and the chicks are mad in the sack. Nord Lyd means 'northern sound', I think. The Super Nova's are gonna be prohibitively expensive in the States when they come out, plus Novation releases to us late. I have yet to see the SBS, and I'm in Los Angeles!

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Message 28/47 26-Sep-97 @ 07:41 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I've had this discussion at synth site so I'm still fresh from the debate. The JP-8000 does not do a good job at replacing analog squat. What anyone with any thoughts on buying one should do is find and compare it with a real JP, the 6 or 8. The flaws in filter quantising and overall flatness of it will be painfully obvious. It may attract a few buyers who feel analog is too expensive and only gives you one voice at a time, but The price of the 8000 is as much as a JP-8. 1 fat, REALLY fat jp-8 sound would, in my books, beat 8000 new JP 'fat' sounds, also the JP8 is fully stabalized, it doesn't go out of tune(unless it's broke). Quality or quantity boys?

No-one has mentioned the Waldorf MicrowaveII(8-part multi-timbral, 10-voice, 2oscs/voice, 4outputs, full programming matrix and wavetable synthesis). and 100USD less than the JP-8000. I guess because it has no keyboard it isn't as obvious but don't let it slip by your scrutiny! It is the first digital synth which I have EVER found that was worth it's knobs, its actually fun and interesting to tweak. I thought the filter was analog and in finding out it was actually digital too I now have to admit to liking a digital synth for it's sounds. This is not coming from some label whore. I've got Roland X0X everything and love it, but now Roland are content to ride their name and take the cheap way out,. My feelings are that NO analog emulator sounds as good as analog. The MicrowaveII can't get as rich as my EML101 or as refined as my ARP2600, but it has CHARACTER, it sounds really unique! a very rare commodity in the digital synth market and something Roland has lacked since the MKS-80 flagged the end of Roland VCO products.

The whole argument is moot from the perspective of which is a better analog sounding machine, none are. Which is the better virtual synth? It's a matter of personal taste.

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Message 29/47 27-Sep-97 @ 07:40 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Avene

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Totally agree Controlvoltage. A synth I use is the old Ensoniq SQ80. Its oscillators are digital, but the filters are real analog. Although it doesn't sound as fat as my Pulse, it's a hell of a lot closer than any digital analog clone I've come across. I haven't tried the MicrowaveII, but I could understand that it would sound pretty fat. I always thought the old Microwave sounded analog.

As for the JP8000 - NA!! I listen to a lot of old Electro from the mid eighties and and you just can't recreate any of those sounds using it. When it first came out I spent a couple of hours in a music store trying it out, and I couldn't get any of my favourite analog sounds from it. The filters on it are a joke. Have a listen to the Memorymoog on that new Jamiriqui (however it's spelt) single. I'd love to see someone try and get a sound like that from a JP8000.

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Message 30/47 02-Oct-97 @ 09:43 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I would have to agree with controlvoltage.The JP-8 is godsent-pounding bass,shimmering pads and trancing sweeps.Its a classic.With all the new software out,Dust off yer old gear and load'er up

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Message 31/47 02-Oct-97 @ 09:50 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I would have to agree with controlvoltage.The JP-8 is godsent-pounding bass,shimmering pads and trancing sweeps.Its a classic.With all the new software out,Dust off yer old gear and load'er up

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Message 32/47 03-Oct-97 @ 09:37 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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FYI, the guy that writes the Yamaha XG editing software for the
SW60 soundcards / DB50 is writing an editior for the AN1X;
a criticism of the AN1X against the JP-8000 were that the controls
were easier to use on the Roland - this COULD make a difference
I guess if you like the XG Editor software / computer interface...
then again the sound IS obviously more important, so i'll shut up.

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Message 33/47 03-Oct-97 @ 03:20 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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AN1X stands fully up to the JP in sound quality, just because the JP is more expensive dose NOT make it better sounding (a lot of people think like that:-( , its a shame...... we should be grateful to yamaha for there low price gear it creates price-drop from other manufacturers ,,

ps dose anyone know about those knew quasimidi synths Nucleus and Sirius

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Message 34/47 03-Oct-97 @ 07:36 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kilo

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well, all |I can say is... It'll be a cold day in hell before I spend 1200 quid on a 2 part multi sound generator !!....

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Message 35/47 03-Oct-97 @ 07:59 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I like my JP-8000 'cause it's got a great DX-100 patch on there.......;-)
Shit, for the price of these things, we could buy:
-a Matrix 1000
-a Juno 106
-an SH-101
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-(2) BassStations
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-a DX-100 (if you really think you need more shit after all that)

-OR, HOW ABOUT SIX FUCKIN' BASSSTATIONS. SHIT, 6-PART MULTI-TIMBRAL AND 12 OSCILLATORS!!! WOO-HOO!

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Message 36/47 03-Oct-97 @ 10:13 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kilo

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for that price,.I'd rather buy a mini moog or something

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Message 37/47 04-Oct-97 @ 02:10 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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how about a car?

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Message 38/47 11-Oct-97 @ 05:06 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

brenballs

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Or a house!

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Message 39/47 11-Oct-97 @ 07:49 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Get ANALOGIC boyz! I rest my case...

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Message 40/47 11-Oct-97 @ 10:36 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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what's Analogic?

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Message 41/47 12-Oct-97 @ 02:10 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

Hilevelt

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Soft-synth, only seems to work with SB, 'cause mine don't work.

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Message 42/47 27-Oct-97 @ 04:42 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I once dropped an AN1X on my foot and it hurt, so in terms of foot damage I would rather own a Jp8000 as its got 1 less octave, so it must weigh less, therefore not breaking your toes when it falls off your quickloc when your pissed.

As for surface area, the an1x is better for skinning up without getting any of your shit stuck in all the control knobs.

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Message 43/47 27-Oct-97 @ 08:09 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

kilo

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best comment nomination goes to.....

james_munro@tolley.co.uk

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Message 44/47 03-Nov-97 @ 02:23 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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I currently have an AN1x. Got rid of a JP-8000 before my 15 days to exchange was up (needed that extra octave more than I needed "supersaw"). I'm happy with it, but I'm a bit curious about this "Access Virus" box. Anyone have it, is it even being sold in the US yet? The biggest thing that PO's me about this AN1x is that in order to sound FAT, you have to run in dual voice mode. That gives 5 voices. Not enough to be useable for me. Maybe Yammy will produce a card that can extend this thing to 16/8 voices from its current 10/5. I just bought A3000 too. I ain't got nuttin bad to say about it yet............ YET!!!!

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Message 45/47 03-Nov-97 @ 01:45 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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How's this right, I've been thinking, and for the same price as JP8000 you could probably get 3 second hand Korg Poly 800s, a new Pulse or ATC1, a second hand Juno 106 and maybe even an old SH101 or something similar, all of which sound great...

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Message 46/47 03-Nov-97 @ 07:52 PM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Could somebody help??????

I'm selling my car to buy a synth, I reckon i'll be able to get �1,000, My main focus is hardhouse/techno i've been finding out a lot about the JP8000 but i'm still waiting for my local muso shop to get one in, as you can imagine before I go spending a shed load of money i'd like to make sure i'm getting value. Any help on this matter would be grately appreiciated.

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Message 47/47 05-Nov-97 @ 05:39 AM - RE: Virtual Analogue, JP-8000 vs Yamaha AN1X?

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Quade,

you'll need more than the JP8000 for a minimal techno setup. It is a 2 voice, 8 part multitimbral. This means it can only play 2 instruments at any one time - and it does not have any real percussion sounds ( though you can create them yourself with this synth - but very tedious to try a generate a decent percussion set ). You'll need something like a Quasimidi 309 . This a complete percussion and bass/lead synth in one box. Great for beginner - if you can afford both, then you are onto a winner. I have both a Q309 and JP8000 and i luv em.

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