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Subject: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
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Original Message 1/12 26-Aug-97 @ 06:11 AM - Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
Yeah I know, a lot of you hard core Vinal DJ's
outhere must be pulling out your hair and cursing.
I am not be disrespectful....
Anyways after having searched in vain for a program
that would even pick up a kick drum frequency and
report on the BPM of the track never mind trying
to find a program that would allow the control
of two CD-Roms wich using buffering would allow
you to adjust the pitch of each Cd so you could
"MIX"
I have recently met a school going lad who's not
to shabby with programing and we hope to get a
Program like this of the ground.
There are many problems that we face concerning
the interface but I do beleive we can overcome..
Please let us know what you guys think and what
you would like to see in such a program.
David Teren
The Mix Master Crew
outhere must be pulling out your hair and cursing.
I am not be disrespectful....
Anyways after having searched in vain for a program
that would even pick up a kick drum frequency and
report on the BPM of the track never mind trying
to find a program that would allow the control
of two CD-Roms wich using buffering would allow
you to adjust the pitch of each Cd so you could
"MIX"
I have recently met a school going lad who's not
to shabby with programing and we hope to get a
Program like this of the ground.
There are many problems that we face concerning
the interface but I do beleive we can overcome..
Please let us know what you guys think and what
you would like to see in such a program.
David Teren
The Mix Master Crew
Message 2/12 26-Aug-97 @ 11:18 AM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
why not wire in an old oscilliscope ?
Message 3/12 26-Aug-97 @ 11:41 AM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
Errr, why would you want to do this anyway? Couldn't you just get a HD recording program and use that by alternating between tracks for each song you're mixing and time compress them so they fit together. Otherwise, couldn't you just get a normal CD mixing system like a Denon 2000?
Message 4/12 26-Aug-97 @ 03:48 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
DAVID...What a supurb idea, can it be done?, ignore the girl above who obviously thinks weve all got a shit load of money in our pockets!, excellent idea, i really hope you guys pull it off, i know i could use a tool like this
Message 5/12 26-Aug-97 @ 07:39 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
Girl? the name's an old graf tag actually. Seriously though, how could it be done? What would you use to adjust the pitch, a mouse? I mean it's not like you can put your hand on it if it goes out of sync a bit like you can with a record. Good luck anyway!
Message 6/12 26-Aug-97 @ 08:54 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
How about using a sort of 'tap tempo' feature- like
I have on my drum machine...I assume you have half-a-
sense of rhythm- just make it so you press the spacebar
or whatever on the beat- make the computer figure out
the tempo by how far apart you tapped out two (or
more) beats.
Then if something goes out of synch, you could adjust
it a little (although this may done better by having
virtual tempo sliders on-screen). You could also mix
stuff double-time or cut-time, i.e. an 80bpm hip-hop
beat with a 160bmp jungle cut...
Naw mean?
YOU would control the tempo on both decks, don't worry
about your inherently unfunky computer.
Maybe then you could have it save the bpm count for each
disc...so you could pre-figure it all out.
Respek,
B-rad
I have on my drum machine...I assume you have half-a-
sense of rhythm- just make it so you press the spacebar
or whatever on the beat- make the computer figure out
the tempo by how far apart you tapped out two (or
more) beats.
Then if something goes out of synch, you could adjust
it a little (although this may done better by having
virtual tempo sliders on-screen). You could also mix
stuff double-time or cut-time, i.e. an 80bpm hip-hop
beat with a 160bmp jungle cut...
Naw mean?
YOU would control the tempo on both decks, don't worry
about your inherently unfunky computer.
Maybe then you could have it save the bpm count for each
disc...so you could pre-figure it all out.
Respek,
B-rad
Message 7/12 28-Aug-97 @ 06:57 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
That's it, you guys are getting the picture..We will try our best to try and put your ideas intothe interface..Keep them coming.....David
Message 8/12 11-Sep-97 @ 01:15 AM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
Dave,
Believe it or not I had exactly the same idea as you a
couple of weeks ago when I replaced the CD drive in my
machine at work and brought the old one home with the idea of having a second drive in my machine
that I could use solely for playing CDs.
The prospect of having a fully featured CD mixing system
in your PC for just the cost of an extra drive and
software is pretty stunning it has to be said and if it
were done properly it should blow most of the dedicated
dual CD players out of the water EXCEPT (like you say)
for the interface which is still going to be confined to
point, click, crash etc...... (maybe you could use
mouse/jpystick/trackball movement to simulate the
turntable wheel?)
ideas like this are needed to move mixing on to the next
level and DJs who don't accept that are going to die a
death..
I probably haven't given this as much thought as you but
to my mind the advantages would be:
you wouldn't be restricted to pitching up/down by only
8%
the program could be made to actually sync the beats for
you!
the potential for sampling and mixing on the fly would be
great! there's too many possibilities to mention
basically all the advantages of CDs, samplers, and computers combined
into something that should by far oustrip a pair of turntables in its
creative potential.......
and the disadvantages :
computers don't like sweaty nightclubs
surely some minor hardware mods would have to be made to
a PC for it to be able to mix 2 CD outputs and leave a
channel for cueing?
wouldn't the above put off casual downloaders?
the interface
the interface
the interface
vinyl DJs would HATE you!
Anyway, it's a very exciting idea and I hope you succeed
in bringing it to fruition.
That aside I'd just like to say I think the "Anti CDJ"
attitude amongst British clubbers is very retrospective.
Dance music is (supposed to be) a progressive art form
and the DJs who make the transition NOW from vinyl to CD
are going to have a major advantage in a few years time
when vinyl finally dies off.
It's the same with the Roland 909 and 303. These sounds
have just about been worked to death yet still people
resist change. To me the 303 is now just about the
equivalent of the electric guitar : Yes, electric guitars
were very new and exciting in the 50's but 40 years later?
NOT!
Ditto the 303, we've been hearing it for nearly 10 years
now!
Respect
Mike
Believe it or not I had exactly the same idea as you a
couple of weeks ago when I replaced the CD drive in my
machine at work and brought the old one home with the idea of having a second drive in my machine
that I could use solely for playing CDs.
The prospect of having a fully featured CD mixing system
in your PC for just the cost of an extra drive and
software is pretty stunning it has to be said and if it
were done properly it should blow most of the dedicated
dual CD players out of the water EXCEPT (like you say)
for the interface which is still going to be confined to
point, click, crash etc...... (maybe you could use
mouse/jpystick/trackball movement to simulate the
turntable wheel?)
ideas like this are needed to move mixing on to the next
level and DJs who don't accept that are going to die a
death..
I probably haven't given this as much thought as you but
to my mind the advantages would be:
you wouldn't be restricted to pitching up/down by only
8%
the program could be made to actually sync the beats for
you!
the potential for sampling and mixing on the fly would be
great! there's too many possibilities to mention
basically all the advantages of CDs, samplers, and computers combined
into something that should by far oustrip a pair of turntables in its
creative potential.......
and the disadvantages :
computers don't like sweaty nightclubs
surely some minor hardware mods would have to be made to
a PC for it to be able to mix 2 CD outputs and leave a
channel for cueing?
wouldn't the above put off casual downloaders?
the interface
the interface
the interface
vinyl DJs would HATE you!
Anyway, it's a very exciting idea and I hope you succeed
in bringing it to fruition.
That aside I'd just like to say I think the "Anti CDJ"
attitude amongst British clubbers is very retrospective.
Dance music is (supposed to be) a progressive art form
and the DJs who make the transition NOW from vinyl to CD
are going to have a major advantage in a few years time
when vinyl finally dies off.
It's the same with the Roland 909 and 303. These sounds
have just about been worked to death yet still people
resist change. To me the 303 is now just about the
equivalent of the electric guitar : Yes, electric guitars
were very new and exciting in the 50's but 40 years later?
NOT!
Ditto the 303, we've been hearing it for nearly 10 years
now!
Respect
Mike
Message 9/12 11-Sep-97 @ 03:39 AM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
Thanks for your feedback..Yes there are some hardware limitation.,.,.cueing,We sort that out when we get there.The project is being done in modules, the first being an auto BPM counter with a sensitivity slider the firstalpha is almost done. Keep in contact and I will send youa copy.Keep it coming David Teren(THE Mix Master Project)XCELL Software
Message 10/12 11-Sep-97 @ 01:40 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
sounds interesting....but...
with running programmes like rebirth & cubase together in sync, windows wont allow 2 simultaneous streams of audio from 2 programmes, unless both the programmes & card are Active-X compatible ....that is correct yes ?.....so how will you get the 2 cd's to play together ??.......
also, you'd need a very good soundcard to use with this otherwise you'll get a crap sound, and none of the decent vards are active X compatible as far as I know....then.....
have you ever tried controlling a computer mouse at a live gig ??.... I can tell you that trying to position a mouse over a button when there's a 10K turbo-sound system banging away next to you is bloody impossible.....
next....the vinyl V Cd thing......you say vinyl will die out....absolutely NO way.....
as vinyl is FAR superior to CD especially when played loud......as CD's can only capture a couple of the harmonics, whereas vinyl gets most of them.....you'd have to sample at about 128k with 64 bit sampling to start to approach vinyls content.....(thats also why the mastering medium of choice for club tracks is still 1/2 inch 30 IPS tape format.... ..also, vinyl is easy & cheap to get pressed,
easy & cheap to get acetetes etc etc....I cannot ever see it dissappearing.....
I'm not slagging the idea, just interested in how these limitations would be got round, or if they even apply..... cos there are plenty of cheap hardware dual CDJ deck on the market already.........forgive me if the dual audio thing doesn't apply to CD's.....but even 1 audio stream can already be fucked up by something as simple as a split second bus lock from the graphics card....
with running programmes like rebirth & cubase together in sync, windows wont allow 2 simultaneous streams of audio from 2 programmes, unless both the programmes & card are Active-X compatible ....that is correct yes ?.....so how will you get the 2 cd's to play together ??.......
also, you'd need a very good soundcard to use with this otherwise you'll get a crap sound, and none of the decent vards are active X compatible as far as I know....then.....
have you ever tried controlling a computer mouse at a live gig ??.... I can tell you that trying to position a mouse over a button when there's a 10K turbo-sound system banging away next to you is bloody impossible.....
next....the vinyl V Cd thing......you say vinyl will die out....absolutely NO way.....
as vinyl is FAR superior to CD especially when played loud......as CD's can only capture a couple of the harmonics, whereas vinyl gets most of them.....you'd have to sample at about 128k with 64 bit sampling to start to approach vinyls content.....(thats also why the mastering medium of choice for club tracks is still 1/2 inch 30 IPS tape format.... ..also, vinyl is easy & cheap to get pressed,
easy & cheap to get acetetes etc etc....I cannot ever see it dissappearing.....
I'm not slagging the idea, just interested in how these limitations would be got round, or if they even apply..... cos there are plenty of cheap hardware dual CDJ deck on the market already.........forgive me if the dual audio thing doesn't apply to CD's.....but even 1 audio stream can already be fucked up by something as simple as a split second bus lock from the graphics card....
Message 11/12 15-Sep-97 @ 03:21 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
I think that a dual CD mixing system would be great, as
not all of us have the money to buy a k2 or anything made
by Roland. I agree that it would be very difficult to use
a mouse to control the mixing, and so it would be a lot
easier to just use arrows on the keyboard. You were going
to include a crossfader and separate volume controls for
both channels, right? And right next to the BPM counter
would be the time remaining on track counter for each CD,
right? Let us know.
not all of us have the money to buy a k2 or anything made
by Roland. I agree that it would be very difficult to use
a mouse to control the mixing, and so it would be a lot
easier to just use arrows on the keyboard. You were going
to include a crossfader and separate volume controls for
both channels, right? And right next to the BPM counter
would be the time remaining on track counter for each CD,
right? Let us know.
Message 12/12 17-Sep-97 @ 09:22 PM - RE: Beat MIXING on a PC !!!!!!!!!
wowzerssss what an idea like those pocket pet things!!!!!!
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