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Original Message 1/53 20-Oct-97 @ 07:19 PM - Sounds I need...
First, that sound from "Ready or not, by the fugees. Any ideas on how to recreate it with some type of softsynth?
I need some good single-hit sounds for chemical-beats, and breakbeats, like the prodigy. Where can I get'em? I don't want to buy equipment for them, I was hoping there would be some site that has some.
Thanks!
Message 3/53 21-Oct-97 @ 02:41 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
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Message 5/53 21-Oct-97 @ 05:48 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 6/53 21-Oct-97 @ 06:45 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
If this is a really shit idea please tell me so as i am going to use
it when i get my soundcard going again.......
Message 7/53 21-Oct-97 @ 06:54 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
BTW, I could also use a good phat and usable bass-sound for hip hop songs. Any help appreciated!
Message 8/53 22-Oct-97 @ 09:23 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 9/53 22-Oct-97 @ 11:19 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
You shoulda charged those rich bastards more, Avene! BTW, a producer offered me an MPC3000 for 1,000 american the other day. he's got four. Only thing is, I really don't got time in my life to be learning a whole new sequencer. Thoughts?
Message 10/53 22-Oct-97 @ 06:42 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Where do I get this jungle mix? Is it on the single/maxi?
Message 11/53 22-Oct-97 @ 06:56 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 12/53 22-Oct-97 @ 07:09 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 13/53 23-Oct-97 @ 05:49 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Please let's get back to the samples...
Message 14/53 24-Oct-97 @ 08:50 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 15/53 24-Oct-97 @ 04:35 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 16/53 28-Oct-97 @ 07:40 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
I'm sorry, it's just that I need these samples quite urgently. I check this site each day, and
I just got pissed that suddenly you all started talking 'bout something entirely different... I
don't see what those MPC's have got to do with my samples... You can go to the main chill out
room, and at the bottom of the page you'll find a button that allows you to start a new
subject... There you can go talk about MPC's...
And how can I possibly buy that single, when I've got to save all my money for an SU700? Oh well,
life's a bitch, isn't she? And quite a funky one, I'd say. (?)
As for chopping up beats, I've done this a couple of times, but I want to start from scratch, so
some decent single hit sounds would help. I mean, the people who made those loops (like the ones
at Weazle World) made them thereself, they didn't chop other loops to crete theirs now did they?
(they might have used hiphop beats and timestretched them, I dunno...)
Avene, love your site. Not that there's a lot to c yet, but the samples are cool, and you
introduced me to the sweet16 seq, which is quite great... Your site will be very good once
there's a little more information etc...
Hilevelt, you'll regret callin' me names when I become rich and famous!
Message 17/53 29-Oct-97 @ 12:54 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
EVERYBODY chops loops, that's where it all started. My best hits come from chopped loops, 'cause sample discs are pretty light, unless they're chopped up from somebody else's beats, which seems to defeat the fuckin' purpose.
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Message 20/53 01-Nov-97 @ 09:42 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
PS: SOMMALA I LUV U!
Message 21/53 02-Nov-97 @ 02:47 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
I appreciate the advice Avene, it's just that I'm hesitant to accumulate more stuff and more learning curves than I've already got. Yet, if this is something that would get me farther than what I've got, I'd be willing to make the shift (I'm considering getting a DA-88 for compatibility with my studio anyway).
hehehe, now that dj anal's well pissed, I'll tell ya that Matrix synths have got the pads you need, and sines are usually good enough basses for anybody.
Message 22/53 02-Nov-97 @ 03:11 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Hilevelt
Message 23/53 02-Nov-97 @ 10:36 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
tiny screen with the timing dead on.Well it's better editing or better timing,The choice is yours.
Phalles check out dance mega drums , XX large extreme or kicking lunitic beats.
Message 24/53 02-Nov-97 @ 03:59 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Hey, Hilevelt, instead of investing the money in new gear, just send it to me, PLEASE! I mean, six samplers? You must be extremely rich. So give the money to me! I really need it. I've worked for an entire month (I'm still a student) and I can still barely afford a sampler/sequencer...
Message 25/53 02-Nov-97 @ 04:25 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Hilevelt, the mpc, yeah, it's real easy, there shouldn't be a learning curve. You just grab your samples, assign them to pads etc, etc. As for the sequencer, it's even easier. In the step editor you step through each step of the sequence and at each step you get a list of the events that happen on that step. You really should check the Dj Shadow interview in the October issue of Keyboard, his stuff may not be your prefered style of music but the guy did his whole album using just an MPC60. As for the soundcard thing, I don't know, in my pc I got an AWE64 and a tropez+, I can have something like generator or rebirth assigned to one and then just record the output into the other.
Patrick, your turn..You can cut and paste on the MPC3000 (I don't know about the 2000) and the editing is really simple because you set the auto start point finder which does the trick every time. As for synth type stuff, well, its got a resonant lowpass filter which sounds good and I've programmed 303 type stuff on my mpc in the past just using a sawtooth wave and the filters. As for other samplers being more powerful, I know, i used to have an e64 and before that a k2000, but the good thing about the MPC is having everything in the one unit and if you were just to use the mpc to sequence other gear i still don't think it would sound as tight as the internal samples. Another thing the drum pads are the best even for playing melodies.
Message 26/53 02-Nov-97 @ 04:48 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Oh and Phallus, Chemicle brothers chop up their beats using Recycle. Try sampling your drums at an 8 bit resolution, it'll make them sound hella fat. And rearrange them into a different drum pattern to make them sound original.
Message 27/53 02-Nov-97 @ 07:27 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
stuff.You doing every thing in the box,thats cool. I like to do some midi stuff with my keyboards
Phalles, dance mega drums are indivual hits so you can creat your own.
Message 28/53 02-Nov-97 @ 07:48 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
map the slices on to the keys? If ther is a way please tell me.
Message 29/53 03-Nov-97 @ 01:25 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 30/53 03-Nov-97 @ 09:04 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Hey Avene, how the hell do you do that? You listen to a sound and can tell what it is? I'm impressed! I'm new to this, so I'm easily impressed, but still... I could have figuered out it were strings, but the vocal on top?
I'd really appreciate it if you would add the sample to your next set...
Message 32/53 04-Nov-97 @ 03:22 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
The next samples go up on Sunday.
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Message 36/53 04-Nov-97 @ 02:53 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 37/53 05-Nov-97 @ 01:49 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
yes, they use a lot of chopped breaks.. and a guitar-effects box can do wonders on a clean programmed drum pattern. Guitar effects have the dirt and punch that many studio effects lack. lots of compressing, eq and messing with distortion often lead to great *original* beats..
and I personally don't use programs like recycle or wavesurgeon (the latter is great value for money, tho). I chop the breaks "manually" in my hd-recording sequencer software.. I find this way much more intuitive as I can do whatever I want to the break in my sequencer....
Message 38/53 05-Nov-97 @ 04:17 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 39/53 06-Nov-97 @ 09:39 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
If you check out the right ear of 'Pearl's Girl', the tr-606 has definitely left it's gritty little signature.
Thanks for all the tips, Avene. Let me map out the sampler trick I've been working my ass off to achieve (which none of my samplers, including the k2000 or the e6400, can all do at the same time). I'm exceedingly tired of the sterility of most over-produced drum 'n bass beats, and would like to be able to route all the filters, retrigger lfo's, and loop start points to separate controllers so as to be able to do all the tricks live, independent of 'programming'. Thoughts? (Actually, the Akai s612 is the closest to giving it to me, but curiously, it's not supported by recycle. hmm....)
DJ Anal, please download Cool Edit or Gold Wave and try sample editing on your own, and load the files into Making Waves so you can actually get a feel for what we're talking about. Your experience is quite limited, and even the best sampler in the world (mellotron?) can make up for that.
Message 41/53 08-Nov-97 @ 07:49 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
chopping up loops with sample-editors for years now, I've
made about a million tunes with tracker programs (scream,
fast, x, impulse, liquid...) Even tho' these don't give
you the best quality, they let me try out making music.
I also play bass and djembee (or however it's written...)
so I understand music theory. The software synths and
seqs also gave a pretty good idea of how electronic music
is created. I've also read a LOT of articles on midi
etc... I've got demos of midi sequencers like cubase, and
I find it all pretty easy, surprisingly. I may only be
seventeen, but have been involved with these things for
quite a time now. I just never had the money to get some
decent gear. (Well, I did, but I spent it all on two
basses, an amp, a distortion pedal and a "synth bass
processor" pedal.) Oh yeah, a friend of mine has got a
groovebox and I've worked with it a few times, and have learned a great deal from it. Give me a sampler and a
sequencer, and let me play with it for an hour, and I'll
be on my way... (I'm good with computers and stuff, I've
been programming since I was seven...)
I've tried out making waves a couple of months ago, but I
don't really like it. I prefer trackers, because of their
"atmosphere" - they're DOS programs, I like that...
By the way, I'm wondering how you can know what something
is gonna sound like before you sample it. I mean, creating
drums from cans and stuff - how can you get the sound you
need? Or is it just a hit'n'miss kinda thing?
Message 42/53 08-Nov-97 @ 11:13 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
these envelopes are falling through my mined..............Þ)
Message 43/53 09-Nov-97 @ 02:42 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Seriously though, the stuff that's around today is wicked..I just bought a copy of Making Waves and installed the 1.1 beta update, this is excellent, I can run Reality from it, have up to 16 bars of music per track and the sound quality is a lot better than version 1. Another thing, I know where there's a photo of the SU700, it's at www.teklab.com/~a3k/ref Thanks to Victor for this info.
Message 44/53 09-Nov-97 @ 11:05 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 45/53 09-Nov-97 @ 11:20 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Hilevelt
Message 46/53 10-Nov-97 @ 08:27 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
set? I can't hardly wait!
Message 47/53 10-Nov-97 @ 08:29 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
so low, that you can only hear it by kicking them in the
nuts...
Message 48/53 11-Nov-97 @ 11:20 AM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 49/53 29-Nov-97 @ 09:26 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Anyone know where to get that beat the Prodigy and
Junkie XL use frequently?
TNX...
Message 50/53 30-Nov-97 @ 01:07 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
Message 53/53 18-Dec-97 @ 10:42 PM - RE: Sounds I need...
JP-8000 or the new Noavation synth?
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