JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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Original Message 1/27 01-Jan-98 @ 10:41 AM - JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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yo kilo, ive heard testimonies of this module... i hear there is a techno/dance expansion pack that is supposed to rock. Does this synth give the k2500rs a shake? Is it pro material? A piece of shit? Thanks.

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Message 2/27 02-Jan-98 @ 09:32 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Brenballs

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I have its equivelant....the XP-50.....only difference to the JV1080 is that it can only take four simultaneous expansions as opposed to 8 on the JV. They are surprisingly good keyboards and very useful for a wide range of styles. Pads are good and its capable of pretty good bass sounds.

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Message 3/27 05-Jan-98 @ 12:20 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Hilevelt

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it's not as good as a sampler, and it's not as good as a real synth, while the k2500 is competent or better at everything.

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Message 4/27 05-Jan-98 @ 12:04 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

kilo

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well, here we go again....... it's a confusing subject, cos what does a 'SYNTH' do in a dance track anyway...??......

If you listen to say Carl Cox.... he gets a beat going, and add's percussion and loop layers, building the beat bit by bit....... has sometimes coming in a 303 pattern or whatever, some short triggered sample patterns here and there, there's the odd string lines, but the synth sounds ?.... alot of the time, it's just short little stab noises aded as if it were a drum pattern..... see that's the thing....... some people use the synth as a synth.... playing in full and all that... like real keyboard player type stuff...... others just get a sound.... and add it as a drum type rhythmic part...... so synths like the jv and K2/2.5 etc will be all capable of creating excellent sounds..... but... so can a cheap nasty 100 squid unit........ see ?.......

so if you have a drum box and sampler or both, you can get all your backing, loops, hits, etc from those, then the other sounds can be from ANY source....... price of synth, or 'QUALITY' is NOT relevent....

However........ if you do want mega ambient pads etc..... then obviously, the price reflects to an extent......, and synths such as the JV and K2 series do create cool Jupiter, moog etc type impressions.... but again....... a cheap synth or an unusual sample, tweaked and FX'd can still get great odd sounds...... one of the best 100% wicked patterns I ever got, was when a sample fucked up somehow by itself creating this totally weird percussive flute sound..... dunno HOW it happened, but the sound resulting is SO unique........

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Message 5/27 05-Jan-98 @ 01:09 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Avene

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Forget the JV, Get the K2500 if you can afford it, or if one falls of the back truck. I hate JVs, they have no character and lack sampling.

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Message 6/27 07-Jan-98 @ 02:13 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Andy

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There pretty good for the money now there about �800.

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Message 7/27 08-Jan-98 @ 07:43 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Hilevelt

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Avene, I was kinda under the impression you didn't like the k2000's. I gotta say that even after getting Seer Reality, my k2000 is still better (if I could only get smdi transfers to work properly)

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Message 8/27 08-Jan-98 @ 12:53 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Avene

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I prefer Reality as a sampler, although the slow 1/96 response time really sucks when I'm triggering from my MPC. But I think the guy is after a hardware synth in which case, a K2500 would be better. I'm actually thinking of getting another K2000 myself,(probably a rack this time), just for the Grand Strings sound which I do miss.

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Message 9/27 09-Jan-98 @ 09:25 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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I'm interested in creating electronic music and I am interested in the jv-1080. I was also interested in the mc-303 but I want to spend my money on something I can build onto. Would this be a wise investment?

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Message 10/27 10-Jan-98 @ 02:16 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

kilo

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I'm always wary of a single unit system, as it can end up giving everything a similar tone... even tho the sounds are different.... but...if it's build in you want, then the k series are pretty unbeatable.... but really, depending on the style....(more notes) maybe the k2500 is what you need, as it offers double the polyphony and more outs.... they are great... you can add drives and sampling options and stacks of ram, extra rom chips..... very high quality.... just dont think it will get you stuff like 303 emulations, etc, cos it wont....but it does do some really nice 'easier to emulate' analog sounds...and creates sounds you never could think of... but stick some analog (if you want it) with one of those, and it makes a great core system.... total....reads .Wav's, roland, akai, ensonique.. versatile..... grand strings .....lush..... best strings I heard...

I been messing around with that basic Moog patch last night actually, and made up some great presets with the lfo creating a detuned oscillating rhythm at a fixed tempo.... then wired it to shift one oscillator pitch... the harmonics change drastically as you move the pitch difference, and some of the rhythms you can play by switching the oscillator in a sequence are brilliant.... I'm gonna try to assign the oscillator pitch to a midi controller.... then draw the steps in to the sequencer to create some pulsating lines

thats the other thing i like about the k2000, there's 999 storage points, before disks, so it's great to just make tweaks and save them to compare and use later... then you can archive them later....
oh yeah.... depending on s/w version, you can load .wav samples if you have a pc to get them from, and then , you dont need to add the sampling board...just add ram, and a cheap scsi hard drive to the built in scsi port, to store and fast load from

.... i just got a Jaz for mine.... I'm gonna add ram, then load samples in from the pc......

if you get the K2500, you wont have to worry about the s/w not reading .Wav... but check if you go for a K2000.....

all in all probably the best all round contender for a total system to build round and expand......although the ASR-X and others of it's ilk, are pretty good depending what style you want to do.... one of those may be more up your street....

the Jv's are GREAT digital synths, with masses of expansion sound boards.. but that's it....

even a basic K-2000 with no sampling option,should come with a few mb of ram... mine has 4 mb and it's a real old one..... so you can load up some samples... especially any 'dance-usual' electronic drums if you need them, which are missing from the kits..... loops too....

this synth is just at home with stuff like soundtrack and film score stuff..... including classical...which can be upgraded with a dedicated 4 mb rom pluggin, which gives a massive pallette of classical sounds, including string variations etc....

there's also a 4 mb 'Contemporary' chip, for more synth and analog stuff.....all in
you can sample into the pc, or read from cd roms, then disk them over to the K ...or wire a cd rom into the scsi chain....

just bear in mind that if you go for big amount of notes stuff, the K2000 is only 24 note poly..... whereas the 2500 is 48 note...

the k2000 goes up to 64 mb ram... and has 4 outs....k2500... 8 outs....

sorry bout the waffle....(grin)

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Message 11/27 10-Jan-98 @ 04:57 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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wicked thnx kilo, your appraisals rule

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Message 12/27 10-Jan-98 @ 07:50 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Hilevelt

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k2000rs has 10 outputs, far superior to the keyboard version since it's lite on internal effects. I have 34 mb in mine, and I never run out of polyphony because of the way you can assign sounds as oscillators of a preset as opposed to combining presets for multi-samples.

BTW, does anybody have their k2 in the scsi chain with the pc? I'm trying to do smdi dumps from Sound Forge and failing miserably (with the recommended Adaptec card, even).

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Message 13/27 10-Jan-98 @ 06:55 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

temp

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Well the type of music I am interested in creating is hard Detroit style techno. Would the better suit my needs than the Jv1080?

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Message 14/27 12-Jan-98 @ 11:21 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Avene

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As far as I'm aware Derrick May, Kenny Larkin, and a couple of those other Detroit people use K2000's.

Poorass, If you've got $4500, like you said once before, you should be able to pick up a second hand K2500rs for that amount. Go for it.

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Message 15/27 16-Jan-98 @ 11:28 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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great, thanx guyz, i will soon get a k2500rs. Fuck the rest. Ive played it at my local dealer and it rocks. Thanx again.

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Message 16/27 16-Jan-98 @ 03:31 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

kilo

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hmmmmmmmm...... yer not such a Poorass then after all
huh ?

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Message 17/27 17-Jan-98 @ 12:36 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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heh heh, hahah, well kilo, remember i started the "poor boy wanna warez a nord lead" thread?

i had no job then

but you cunts shnapped me into work mode, i managed to save.

i have 2500 ( quid ) pounds whatever to spend now, and the longer i wait, the more i will have.

so i might just say fuck it and buy the baby k2500rs.

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Message 18/27 17-Jan-98 @ 01:19 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Hilevelt

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The weaknesses I mentioned in the k2000 keyboard (outputs) don't hold for the k2500, and those faders be cute. but it's your money (I paid only 600 quid for my k2rs with mass ram here in the States hehehe)

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Message 19/27 19-Jan-98 @ 10:21 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

kilo

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bloody hell Poorass !!!!....... you saved 2.5K (UK) in 4 weeks !!..... what've you been up to ?........selling your body to acid_cat ??..... heh heh......

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Message 20/27 20-Jan-98 @ 05:36 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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heh heh kilo

ive put together computer systems, while working...It screams in the cash. That money doesnt even include the prostitution i do on the side. Ive followed the footsteps of fat cat.. (!!)

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Message 21/27 02-Feb-98 @ 03:26 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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The 1080 is the shit!!! i've programed some of the coolest moog and juno type sounds for it. Like any piece on the market, you have to get inside of the unit and pull what you want out of it.
But if your looking for the machine to to beat the shit out of all the comp than wait until april for the Yamaha EX5!!! I just saw it at the Namm show in L.A. this was the talk of the show.
Check the specs: 128 note poly Sampler, AWM synth, mono VL synth (which has the most realistic wind instrument sounds on the market. with a wind controller you would be hard pressed to tell the sound of this synth from the real thing!!!), duo phonic AN synth, That's right two voices of the AN1X, and the analog emulation is the best i've heard, 16 track sequencer, and the list goes on and on...... This synth list for $2500 us. This synth kicks the K2500 and the Emu Esynth all in the ass.
This machine is the shit bar none.

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Message 22/27 03-Feb-98 @ 12:42 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

THE poorass

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oh no... As soon as i step into the keyboard store to wad my cash, chaz turns up, trying his best to create some controversy.

"This synth kicks the K2500 and the Emu Esynth all in the ass. This machine
is the shit bar none."

Thats a suicide statement, so ill leave it up to you guyz to straighten him out... If he's wrong......

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Message 23/27 03-Feb-98 @ 02:37 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

kilo

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well, my personal philosophy, is buy seperates....cos every synth jhas it's own chracter....yes.....you CAN do a track with a workstation...no worries..but they seem to all have their own 'sound'......howver, on certain budgets. the combo unit offers alot fot your buck....I dunno.......

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Message 24/27 10-Feb-98 @ 12:18 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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I say if you can get it for fairly cheap, go for it... It's confusing as all hell at first, but once you get rolling, it's no sweat. Esp. if you want pads, the JV has them by the score. There's also two LFO's that you can sync to anything. The bass this thing kicks out is nice as well... the only thing about it, is there's only one effects processor. (any or all of the instruments can use the effect, but only one effect can be used at a time in addition to chorus and reverb.) hope this helped.

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Message 25/27 10-Feb-98 @ 02:48 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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I told you he was a gay prostitute!!!

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Message 26/27 10-Feb-98 @ 10:46 PM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

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Hey poorass, I have a k2500 and my studio mate has the Esynth, we both agreed after sitting up with the Yamaha ex5 for about two hours at the NAMM show, that it is way cooler than either of our synths. The sounds are the shit plus it's so easy to program (thanks to the six rotary knobs it has) and the sequencer (even though it's only sixteen track) is one of the tightest we've heard, and we have the mpc 3000 and the 2000. This synth is the shit!!!!! just remember I told you after you go and fuck your money off on a k25999 " you could have had a much more versitale, better sounding synth/sampler for about half the cost. Here's how much I dig this machine, I'm selling my 2500 to get it plus i'll have a gang of cash left over. Techno, hip hop, whatever, this machine can do it all
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Message 27/27 16-Feb-98 @ 09:07 AM - RE: JV1080 - is this a kewl pro synth or what?

Hilevelt

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hmm, passed that booth when I was there, din't see no idjits widdling away with the knobs screaming in techno delight; must've just missed you ;)

I've got a friend at Yamaha who was on the design team for the VL's, MU's, and the CS, and according to him the VL, AN, and special FX voices can't be used simultaneously, though too many lead voices'll muddy up the mix anyway. The module lists for $2200 ($200 more than an a3000), and they'll have a free s/w editor.

Unfortunately, Yamaha is still getting their ass kicked by Akai in America, so show much love. Kilo's rationale on separates is good, I go by it as well, but in this case there's 3 very different dsp sections, 1 for XG, 1 for the sampler, and 1 for VL/AN/SFX, so it's basically 3 different synths, at least moreso than with a k2, JV-, the Supernova, or anything else. 'n when you upgrade it, everything gets better.

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