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Original Message 1/11 10-Mar-98 @ 08:46 AM - TR808 CRASH CYMBAL

danselmi

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HI!, anybody outhere knows how to emulate
an 808 crash cymbal using analog modules like
noise sources, EGs, filters, etc.
I wanna know the audio and control path and
the settings of the parameters in each module.
If anybody know the original setup please e-mail
me or write the answer here.

Thanks

Kilo, you looks very wise in music technology,
do you know the answer?

Thanks again

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Message 2/11 12-Mar-98 @ 08:22 PM - RE:

danselmi

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pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaassssssssseeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
nobody knows how I can do that?

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Message 3/11 20-Mar-98 @ 03:53 AM - RE:

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Mr.Johnson, it�s me again!

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Message 4/11 20-Mar-98 @ 04:00 PM - RE: >>>ANALOG BEATBOX EMULATION<<<

ivan

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Take a look at Nord Lead. Revision 2 (=NL2 and upgraded/new NL1's) and onwards has analog drum sounds. Mess with those and see how it's done. Otherwise Stomper could give some hints.

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Message 5/11 20-Mar-98 @ 08:32 PM - RE:

danselmi

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thanks but in my 3rd worldy country theres no NORD at
all. I have to travel to Argentina to get the VERY LAST
Prophecy in South America, before it was extints like a
dino.
I program lot ot TResque drums in this keyboard, but I
actually don�t know how to setup my Proph to get an
808 Crash Cymbal. Also, Stomper don�t have this kind
of sounds.,
Dan

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Message 6/11 20-Mar-98 @ 11:18 PM - RE: >>>ANALOG BEATBOX EMULATION<<<

holgerbahr

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use a Sample ! (hehe ;)

Holger

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Message 7/11 23-Mar-98 @ 11:18 AM - RE:

danselmi

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funny, funny boy, say something creative please!

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Message 8/11 01-Apr-98 @ 10:02 AM - RE: >>>ANALOG BEATBOX EMULATION<<<

marian

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I use prophecy too and I think is not possible
make 808 crash on this synth.
Because You need minimaly four voices.
Make a sound with normaly pulse wave (no square).
Hold four keys and use a highpass filter to get a metalic noise sound. Now make a short or long decayed envelope and that is all. Try change the intervals between the keys.

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Message 9/11 01-Apr-98 @ 11:16 AM - RE: >>>ANALOG BEATBOX EMULATION<<<

kilo

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well i've never done that, but I'd have thought, it would need some filtered white-noise for the decay part, and a heavily filtered pulse or saw wave for the attack....hang about, I'll check the web.....

Hi-Hats

To create great analogue hihat
and cymbal like the TR808 is tricky with monosynths. To put it in
the words of the TR808 service manual, the main sound generating
source of their metal sounds is "The combined square wave
outputs of six Schumitt triggers..."

So forgetting that, I usually use
ring modulated type sound. Create a nice metallic discordant and
high pitched sound.

Then, set a very short release time on the VCA envelope, and a
long decay. To play the closed hihat sound, play staccato notes,
and play a long note for closed sounds. Try adding some noise
into the sound.

Metallic Hihats on MS20

LPF & HPF MG/T.EXT	0
LPF & HPF EG2/EXT	0
EG 2 hold	0
EG2 Attack & Sustain	0
VCO 1 waveform	any wave except noise (different waves give slightly different tones).
VCO 1 Scale	4'
VCO 1 PW	0-5 (although shouldn't effect sound, it does!)
VCO 2 waveform	RING
VCO 2 Scale	2'
VCO 1 & 2 levels	10
HPF cut-off & peak	0
LFP cut-off	10
LPF peak	0
EG 2 Decay	2
EG 2 Release	0.6

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Message 10/11 03-Apr-98 @ 04:32 AM - RE:

self_osc

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THANKS marian & kilo!!!!!!!!!!!
I�ll try it tonight and then tell you the results!!!!

Dan

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Message 11/11 08-Apr-98 @ 06:21 AM - RE: >>>ANALOG BEATBOX EMULATION<<<

self_osc

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HEY BOYS, IT WORKS!!!!!!
I WAS CREATE SOME 808ESQUE HI-HATS IN THE PROPHY FOLLOWING THE PULSE WAVES IDEA WITH JUST 2 OSCILLATORS!!!
ONCES YOU FOUND THE CORRECT PULSE WIDTH AND PITCH INTERVAL, THEN APPLY ARESONANT HPF AND A PERCUSSIVE VCA'S EG LIKE THE ONE WHO KILO SAYED ABOVE.
I WAS PROGRAM HI-HATS FOR YEARS IN MY ANALOG SYNTHS USSING JUST HI-FILTERED WHITE NOISE, BUT THE TIMBRE THAT YOU GETS WITH THIS TECHNIQUE IS REALLY DIFFERENT!!!
ALSO I WAS USE THE IDEA OF DIFFERENT RATES FOR DECAY AND RELEASE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT FOR ME IS MORE INTUITIVE AND USEFUL TAKE THE VALUES IN THE OPOSSITE WAY, I MEAN PROGRAM THE DECAY TO SHORT TIMES AND THE RELEASE TO LONG ONES. THIS APPROACH LETS YOU "CLOSE" THE OPEN HAT BY PRESS AND HOLD THE KEY WHILE THE LONG SOUND IS HAPPENING.
FOR ME IS MORE "REAL" THAT A PIECE OF METAL LIKE THE CYMBALS PRODUCE A LONG SOUND IF YOU HIT AND APPART THE STICK INMEDIATLY (LIKE A STACCATO NOTE) AND A SHORT ONE IF YOU HIT AND KEEP THE STICK IN CONTACT WITH THE METAL AND MUTTING IT (LIKE A LONG NOTE)
LET ME TELL YOU I WAS PROGRAM A FEW FM ANALOG-LIKE CRASH CYMBALS THAT SOUNDS DECENT ENOUGHTO USE THEM IN A TRACK.
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE HELP!!!!

DAN

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