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Subject: ESI32 or S2000?
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Original Message 1/38 19-Mar-98 @ 08:34 PM - ESI32 or S2000?
these 2 seem the best contenders, and are reasonably cheap...
Any thoughts?
Message 2/38 20-Mar-98 @ 03:49 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Itīs have a lot of DSP power and really beefy filters,
plus you can add the expansion board and get 16
new types, the EIV ones!!!!!!
4 outs is good enough for a start, but the same
exp. board (the CALAMARI) gives you a 4 more and
S/PDIF I/O.
Now the ESI comes standard with SCSI interfase, so
for a little more you can purchase a removable storage
media.
Also, a dual FX processor is now aviable for this machine,
so theres nothing better in the S2000 over the ESI32
Dan
Message 3/38 20-Mar-98 @ 04:59 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Not sure about the Akai.
Message 4/38 20-Mar-98 @ 08:23 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
For this thask you shoud look at the ASR (Ensoniq) family
or the top E-mu range (but this are expensive)
A second hand ASR10 gives you internal resampling thru the
FX!!!!, also you can sequence a pattern, play it
and resample the sound while the seq is running, or sample
an external source with FX. The only real down side of
the ASR10 are the NON RESONANT filters (if you can
live with a max of 16 Mbytes and only 8 instruments in
the internal sequencer)
The very new ASRX drum machine style sampler is the
son of the ASR thechnology, and have pros and cons
over the 10.
Pros: resonant filters, new awesome FX, cool pads, up to
34 Mbytes (standard is 2), 16 instruments sequencer,
ROM sounds and ROM expansion slot for MR compatible
boards (dance board kicks!)
Cons: reduced sample editing compared with the old 10,
reduced sequencer edition, only 1 sample rate (44.1 KHz)
and nothing more
I love this machine because is a great compositional
tool and a versatile live instrument, and I hope I can
purchase one in 1 or 2 months
But, if I have to choose one of the samplers that you
are asking about, Iīll get the E-Mu without any doubt
And please sorry for my crappy english
Message 5/38 20-Mar-98 @ 08:57 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
wave
I guess it because:
1.Take an initialazed patch, go to the mixer section and
turn off Osc1, then let the Sub go to out 1 at max volume.
Go to the Filter section and select the "paralell"
configuration and turn filter 1 tu "THRU" mode. Then
go to the sub and select waveform=SAW, and tracking the
osc1 2 OCTAVES ABOVE
in this situation, if you play the kbd at a medium to high
note. What do you hear? under the SAW wave you can
notice a very loud alias wave..........mmmmmmmm
2.You donīt have PWM in this oscillator (impossible if it a
sample single cycle wave)
Try this and say me if I am wrong, please!
DAN
Message 6/38 20-Mar-98 @ 09:33 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
I was keen on the Akai because it seems to be widely used in jungle, which
is what I'm into.
The ASR-x and ASR10 are way more expensive right?
Message 7/38 23-Mar-98 @ 11:50 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 8/38 23-Mar-98 @ 02:08 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 9/38 29-Mar-98 @ 08:04 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
of production. They had one left in the back (none on display) for $699 + tax;
which seems like a pretty good deal, but I don't have the cash right now...
The store also had a somewhat crummy looking S2000 (also $699), but it also looked
like one of the last ones. They were pushing hard the ESI4000, A3000, and
ASR-X, and the like... in the more expensive price range.
Are the manufacturers giving up on those midrange machines? It seems like you
have to either buy a crappy 'MC' type 'DJ device' like a Yamaha SU10, or a
Roland DR Sampler; or get an all in 1 super production machine...
Kilo, or anyone, any insights to what's happening in the market?
Message 10/38 30-Mar-98 @ 12:06 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
the manual is excellent and you'll be familiar with the dope operating system right away.The calamari board that was talked about earlier turns this mid range sampler into a contender!!!The board gives you 2 seperate effects
(with their own output)E4 filter set(stoked!)spdif digital outs'and 2 more analog sub outs.So i say grab an esi32 before they are gone,or buy one used,but definitly get the turbo expansion board also called calamari!!
Peace
Jason
Message 11/38 30-Mar-98 @ 06:12 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 12/38 30-Mar-98 @ 06:20 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 13/38 30-Mar-98 @ 10:33 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 14/38 03-Apr-98 @ 12:20 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 15/38 03-Apr-98 @ 02:34 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
By the way, reading SOS, prices seem much inflated in the UK... $1.6~1 pound, but the prices conversion seems to be $1=1 pound.
Message 16/38 03-Apr-98 @ 03:20 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Also, just like I've said so many times, you can upgrade the esi-32 to an esi-4000 by simply getting ahold of a copy of the os, which emu recently proved by offering it for sale for $99. But go to your local shop and do it yourself for free like I did.
Message 17/38 03-Apr-98 @ 03:01 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 18/38 03-Apr-98 @ 07:00 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Now having said that, I'm using a PC sequencer, and I don't want to shell out for
a built in sequencer which I won't be using.
And even if this thing is great, those rubber pads are crap... who came up with those?
am I supposed to hit them with drum sticks? Ok so you can ignore them...
I don't know... even if it looks great on paper there's definitely something 'square' about
this thing... like the MC303 it seems to promise 'instant' tunes, and I just can't buy anything
that's marketed with the slogan "the ultimate groove machine"...
Message 19/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:11 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
PEACE DIGS
Message 20/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:12 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
PEACE DIGS
Message 21/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:16 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
PEACE DIGS
Message 22/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:17 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
PEACE DIGS
Message 23/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:22 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
PEACE DIGS
Message 24/38 03-Apr-98 @ 08:32 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 25/38 05-Apr-98 @ 10:33 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 26/38 06-Apr-98 @ 10:48 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 27/38 06-Apr-98 @ 08:56 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
I've never understood OS upgrades for synths are they software or hardware
(like a chip inside)? ...Oooer... does that mean you stole the chip from inside
the shop copy?
The CS1x has recently upgraded from OS 1.05 to 1.08, anyone know how to
get a copy? Yamaha don't saay anything on their web site...
Message 28/38 07-Apr-98 @ 12:41 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
There you go folks.....
Message 29/38 07-Apr-98 @ 04:14 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
in a sing-songy tone "DJ Shadow made a record with an MPC-60, he's got more money than any of us. Kurt Cobain couldn't play a C Major scale, now he-ee's de-ead."
Message 30/38 07-Apr-98 @ 06:10 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
can download the new os onto a floppy.
Message 31/38 07-Apr-98 @ 07:54 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 32/38 07-Apr-98 @ 09:40 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
by the ESI4000...
Those mid range machines don't make them any money I guess... shame cos I think they're enough for most people.
Message 33/38 10-Apr-98 @ 12:12 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
DIGS
Message 34/38 10-Apr-98 @ 01:49 AM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Message 35/38 15-Apr-98 @ 05:58 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
I've owned an esi-32 for about 8 months now, the upgrade to eos3.1 (or is that 3.0 ? forgot) is for free if you bought the machine after april '97 or something. For as far as I know the upgrade (which is a software upgrade) can only be done by replacing the rom's which contain the software with the new ones. If anyone out there was able to upgrade his esi32 by just inserting a disk with a new os or something (like I think is possible on the akai's) then let me know, I'd be very interested to know how he did it (the esi is using a processor based on the motorola 68000, and I just happen to know this processor like the back of my hand, so if I'd be able to access and change the software the esi is running, I might be able to add some minor sysex support and stuff).
Overall I'm pretty pleased with my esi, the only disadvantage being that I seem to be unable to find that 30 (or is that 32? smoked too much last night I guess) pins 16mb ram (4mb is highest I found so far).
As to the only difference between the esi32 and esi4000 being the software... well, the esi4000 have 64 voice polyphony, and uses the 'more normal' 72 pins simms which are generally much cheaper and easier to find.
Hmm... a friend of mine has an S2000 which I played around with a bit, wouldn't trade it for the esi32.
The Purple one.
Message 36/38 15-Apr-98 @ 06:27 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
my 32 note and 32 megs not too limiting.
Message 37/38 17-Apr-98 @ 04:05 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
Peace DIGS
Message 38/38 21-Apr-98 @ 12:35 PM - RE: ESI32 or S2000?
BTW, if anybody owns an e64, I'd be happy to upload the newest OS and the Sound Diver s/w.
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