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Subject: Has digital audio won the battle??
Original Message Date: 07-Oct-01 @ 07:23 PM - Has digital audio won the battle??
used to work with Juno's Prophet and some Roland
x0x drumcomputers. But lately i have becomming
more and more impressed by the huge possibilities
of digital audio. Do the possibilities digital
audio give outweight the authentic sound of analog
equipment???
PS:
I still love that analog sound but Digital has
also got it's charms but the trick is not to
compare those two but make something different out
of it.
I am interested in youre opinion on
Message 21/34 18-Oct-01 @ 03:29 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
Message 22/34 19-Oct-01 @ 04:15 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
I made my an1x sound like a thumbpiano today...I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A SYNTHESIZED CYMBAL but got this funky thumb piano sound instead...
erm.. why am I saying this? Oh yeah...here's my qustion: are people saying that even 24/96 digital recordings can't capture analogue...pff...HOW accurate can one's hearing be? I agree that 16 bit is not enough resolution for a lot of music....expecially stuff like classical music and opera have too much dynamics and some people claim to be able to hear aliasing and other artifacts on cd's...but won't interpolation, oversampling and possibly a good (tube)-amp cure that??
Message 23/34 19-Oct-01 @ 05:03 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
Message 24/34 19-Oct-01 @ 07:21 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
Message 25/34 20-Oct-01 @ 11:03 AM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
each analog circuit has it's own way of producing the waveform you hear.. it's not like perfect math jsut ocmes naturally in electronics. there are little ways of doing stuff to reduce the 'peak' that comes in at the start of when a pulse wave switches.. leveling out oscillations and stuff i don't understand at all.. tons of stuff on it on the web. yer basic low-parts-count referred-to-as-a 'pulse' osc has a load of shrinking teeth along the edge from whanging that current back and forth. it's an edgy sound i am familiar with (you too if you remember my homemade box.)
in other words, it's a buggery job trying to get a perfect sawtooth ramp. designers have different ways of applying circuitry (ie. there is no perfect way afaik) to approximate this ideal form, and each way is going to produce it's own, unique timbre, of ocurse.
now in virtual form, drawing a straight line is easy.. the only thing you've got to deal with is your digital resolution, which is a new sound altogether.
so on about my z again.. it's got 4 lfos right and i've been doing these analog emulations with layered (say one at 5Hz and one at 14Hz) 'random vector' lfo waveforms (it generates a positive random vector and a negative one for eahc cycle.. like two straight lines, but the angle to be determined) and it's just so right on analog. you know when the sound comes out of an analog and it's so colourful you can taste berries.. it gets there.. really sounding vivid and alive like analog where the self-oscillating resonance licks around your head like a hallucinatory salamander. my filter sweeps go thru my fucked up warbling oscillators like 'ooh glitchy dirty potentiometer..' sounds so lovely..
i think i'm kinda liking it more than real analog because it's so clean, but it's a bit starchy to set all the variations personally.. to ramp the scale just so.. just a little flat on the highs.. ie. ooh, i'll pitch this one down, offset it one 3Hz.. sorta silly when there's one that's 'messed up' naturally.
16, 32, 1024 random vector modulators should be even better, to apply in seperate layers (ie. a fast and a slow random vector and maybe another pair subtly altering the speed of each..) to envelope times, et c. my envelopes are sounding bit stiff now that i've got the oscillators coloured up. the bass doesn't seem as thick either but that's probably largely idiomatic.
cos in analog, you've got all these things that are affecting your waveform.. the circuit design, down to temperature, dare i say planetary magnetic fields and cthulhu and stuff.
but why not just-as-peachy??? it's not like there are digital speaker cones and digital air (hope not anyway) so eventually the sound has to go analog somewhere.
maybe one day there'll be a v.a. with presets designed to emulate an analog played on neptune, or by kilo, since we have magnetic fields too. subtle, but there's your variation and magic.
when i finish this track (riight..) i'm also sampling some 'raw' oscillator (for making a point elsewhere) if anyone wants to look forward to it. it's sweet!
Message 26/34 21-Oct-01 @ 02:03 AM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
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analog!.. wey! :]
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 27/34 22-Oct-01 @ 10:21 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
Digital and analog do different things. It's not a battle til you try to get one to do the other's job, so why try to reinvent the wheel? You want analog sound? Save your pennies and get analog gear. You want digital sound? Go digital. You want both (like me)? Get both. Why get a Pulse if you want the gnarly dirt of a DX100, and why buy a Virus if you want the grease of a Mini or an SE-1? Why do you think I love doing live sets? Cuz I love plugging cables and breaking gear and getting it dirty and trying babysitting it for hours before and after I play? Fuck no. It's all about the sound and flexibility. If I could caprture the sound, even on analog tape, and then to vinyl, do you think I wouldn't prefer to just play some dubplates, put my record bag over my shoulder, then get my party on and not have to be on point? You think I like just hanging out, packing up my rig while listening to some hack job DJ play his records or waitint til the end of the party, sweating whether my gear is all going to be there and not have some asshole's drink spilled on it, frying it out? That's beside lugging the stuff all over hell and creation. The only thing that makes it worthwhile is when you crank that shit up, and turn that whole soundsystem into your instrument, and that big fat warm stinky analog 'whump' just throws the floor into a frenzy, and everybody is sweatin and groovin with the energy you've taken from the crowd, catalyzed, and given direction to. Nothing I've ever encountered has felt like the sensation of taking a kind of sparse dancfloor, and in minutes, packing it with hundreds, and on occasion thousands of dancing humans. I am a firm believer that the sound of 'REAL analog' circuitry has helped make this happen on more than a few occasions. Of course, I could be completely wrong about all of this and it actually relates to the planetary alignments, and numbers and names that I can't remember, let alone comprehend the significance of. You be the judge.
Ape
Message 28/34 23-Oct-01 @ 12:08 AM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
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that's me Trilogy mate - there was a company in the UK in the 80's and they I think were two Sieks, they did synths called CHASE, there was I think the Chase Bit-1, and this is the trilogy which is kinda like one of those cheap moogs in that it blends sections like string, synth & organ or something... hold up...
there she is with the hood up !
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 29/34 23-Oct-01 @ 12:10 AM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
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this camera's focus is crap eh?... mebbe better with a flash
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I had an idea for a script once. It's basically Jaws except when the guys in the boat are going after Jaws, they look around and there's an even bigger Jaws. The guys have to team up with Jaws to get Bigger Jaws.... I call it... Big Jaws!!!
Message 30/34 23-Oct-01 @ 07:11 PM - RE: Has digital audio won the battle??
Such pornograchic images, and filth are not only tolerated here, they are encouraged!!! You are a very dirty and twisted young man, and I applaud you for it. I should have taken pics of my Q opened up, while I repaired it, but wasn't thinking, and besides, it's not nearly as impressive. The MW1 on the other hand...
Thanks for the obceneties. Please carry on.
Ape
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