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Subject: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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Original Message Date: 11-Aug-02 @ 12:49 PM - [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
earliest possible opportunity. They threaten the US's
control of this vital oil producing region. If the US has no
access to this oil, the economy will crumble and people
will starve. let's keep the starving where they belong. In
the thrid world!
What's the point of being the world's greatest power if
you can't excercise that power in your own interests?
The whinging liberals can leave the country as far as I
am concerned. The US should use its military, political
and economic power to assure it's safe future. Any
other course of action is mere self delusion. Do you
think that another country with the same power as the
US would act any differently?
Anyone, like bin laden, or arafat, who dares to attack
the US or its interests must be first humiliated and then
destroyed. This may cause resentment in other nations,
but what the hell are they going to do about it? Invade
America?
Anyone who threatens the viability of US corporates
must be taught a lesson. The US controls the IMF, the
World Bank, etc etc. The US should NOT be afraid to
use this leverage to further its own ends.
The time has come for the world to realise that we are
not beholden to any organisation, legal body or treaty,
whether or not we signed it sometime in the past.
Times, as they say, change.
Message 51/168 12-Aug-02 @ 09:09 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Zazza
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Ah, the power of the US media.... brave america leaping to the defense of poor little Kuwait.. and in the last reel, 2 days AFTER the ceasfire, Bruce Willis single handedly
launches air strikes against the people fleeing Kuwait City, burning them all to death. fleeing soldiers, civilians, men, women and children slaughtered on
the road to Basra. But they probably forgot to run that on CNN right? You guys should take advantage of independent news sources,
like the BBC world service, people living under deceitful, propogandised regimes have been using it as a source of real information for decades now.
One US soldier described that massacre as a "turkey shoot". For 40 hours a five mile long column of retreating soldiers and civilians was utterly pummelled.
Gulf War soldier John Callaghan, from St Helens on Merseyside (in the UK), hung himself with his shoe laces in May 1996. His cousin Les told
how John was haunted by the memories of "clearing burnt out vehicles on the Basra road. He was pulling bodies and arms and legs out of vehicles, and children.
formant: 'it was based on one womans claim and was picked up by unicief and all the other relief groups etc and was widely reported back in the early 90s... '
Uh, yeah right, it is just one sound bite eh? Do you really believe that? Do you know WHY the children are dying? Could it be anythign to do with the fact that
the US/UK systematically destroyed Iraq's drinking water supplies? Did they? Gosh, that never got reported on FOX News either?
Article 54 of the Geneva Convention states: "It is prohibited to attack, destroy or render useless objects indispensable to the
survival of the civilian population" and includes foodstuffs, livestock and "drinking water supplies and irrigation works".
During allied bombing campaigns on Iraq the country's eight multi-purpose dams had been repeatedly hit, simultaneously wrecking flood control, municipal and industrial water storage, irrigation and hydroelectric power. Four of
seven major pumping stations were destroyed, as were 31 municipal water and sewerage facilities - 20 in Baghdad, resulting in sewage pouring into the Tigris. Water purification plants were incapacitated throughout Iraq.
Water-borne diseases in Iraq today are both endemic and epidemic. They include typhoid, dysentery, hepatitis, cholera and polio (which had previously been eradicated), along with a litany of others. A child
with dysentery in 1990 had a one in 600 chance of dying - in 1999 it was one in 50.
The US and the UK continually and continuously bomb Iraq to this day. The frequent 'collateral' damage where civilians are murdered never gets reported in the west. And the americans wonder
'why do they hate us'? They must hate freedom. No, wrong! They hate being bombed, starved and poisoned (by diseased drinking water) on a daily basis for the last 10 years. And yes, 5000
CHILDREN a month are dying from water born diseases and malnutrition. Yes, Sadaam is an asshole, and is cruel to his people. Unfortunately, the US/UK actions make him look like a saint by comparison.
formant: 'Its just like when there was famine in africa in the 80s, it wasn't that there was no food to be had, it was just that the people in power made bad decisions. '
Uh, yeah, there is no such thing as 'drought', you know where it doesnt rain for a few years and all the crops turn to dust. It's the
poor what gets the blame eh? It's their own fault they are dying of starvation, is that what you are saying?
formant: 'the thing that scares me isn't when middle eastern nations get nukes, its when the north koreans and chinese get them'
Hello!? WHEN the chinese get nukes? What planet do you live on? China's first nuclear test was detected on 16
October 1964 at Lop Nor. That's nearly 40 years ago.. and you are worried that they might get them sooN? Gee...
formant: 'for all of you europeans, would you like saddam launching dirty bombs on your soil? he can do it and probably already has nukes. you guys are much closer than we are.'
Saddam has the delivery capabilities of MAYBE reaching Israel.. that's it. Of course it is possible to deliver nuclear devices by 'suitcase' but in that case, well it's
as easy to fly to New Zealand as it is to Europe... or the US.
If you want to guarantee terrorist action against the US for the forseeable future, then make an unprovoked attack against Iraq.. yup you heard me 'unprovoked'.
If you decide that middle eastern countries must NOT be allowed to have nuclear weapons then be consistent; Attack Israel, they already have them and it's the fact
that they do that is driving the arab nations to develop them too. Or are you saying that ONLY Israel must be allowed to have Nukes?
Formant and Brett, I'd suggest you go and do some research, you seem to be living in a sort fo never-never cornfed FOX News fantasy land. Go to to google and
search.
Message 52/168 12-Aug-02 @ 09:26 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
How about thinking in small minded reverse. What is the benefit (to those in power) of this action. Apart from Pats suggestion of consolidation of world power (and it could easily be just that). We have had distraction, I'm sure civil liberties are on the re-write, warhead military spending? (greed and jobs worth), finishing off dads work and making a name for himself, ecomomic kick start, non christian persecution, non white persecution (Tx!).
Lets have some suggestions guys - i think this is it - WHAT ARE THEY GETTING UP TO BEHIND THIS GUISE
Message 53/168 12-Aug-02 @ 09:31 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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I am a UK citizen, and it makes puke to see Tony Blair lick GWB's arse. but there you go, the Anglo-Saxons stick together, through thick and thin.
The UK is just as bad as the US, we just have less power.
What has to happen on BOTH sides of the Atlantic is that people have to wake up to the horrors that are being perpetrated in their name, by their democratically elected governments.
Unfortunately the US media seem to have mind controlled the US populace to such an extent that they do not seem to have a clue as to what is really going on.
In the UK a clear majority of the citizens are against going to war with Iraq. Whether that will make any difference to what the UK government actually does when push comes to shove remains to be seen.
Doesn't it seem odd though, that there is no news about the ongoing milittary attacks in afghanistan and Iraq in the media anymore? 'The forgotten War' they called it on Fox News last ngiht. Forgotten? The Iraquis and the Afghanis sure haven't forgotten it.
The US and UK are bombing Iraq on a daily basis right now. Of course the Iraquis claim that we are consistently hitting civilian targets and keeping their infrastructure crippled; water, roads, communications etc etc, but then they would say that wouldn't they? Our brave, honest Generals would never lie about something like that would they?
Message 54/168 12-Aug-02 @ 10:10 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
since the G8 incidents public demonstratoion nas been made illegal
The most powerful country in the world states that if you arn't with us - your against us. I heard that in the playground before the bully started in on the weakest
all of these words are just to relieve our guilt - possibly justify our wanky goatees
Message 55/168 12-Aug-02 @ 10:15 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
How much of my unhappiness/disenchantment with the current situation is due to my age/experience?
IS it happening all the time and only now - in my experience - am i recognising this or is it really getting worse?
I am shrinking
Message 56/168 12-Aug-02 @ 10:40 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Message 57/168 12-Aug-02 @ 11:24 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Zazza
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And cheddar, it's your age and experience.. this stuff has been going on since the dawn of time..
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Message 59/168 12-Aug-02 @ 03:55 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-bandow081202.asp
Message 60/168 12-Aug-02 @ 04:08 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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