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Subject: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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Original Message Date: 11-Aug-02 @ 12:49 PM - [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
earliest possible opportunity. They threaten the US's
control of this vital oil producing region. If the US has no
access to this oil, the economy will crumble and people
will starve. let's keep the starving where they belong. In
the thrid world!
What's the point of being the world's greatest power if
you can't excercise that power in your own interests?
The whinging liberals can leave the country as far as I
am concerned. The US should use its military, political
and economic power to assure it's safe future. Any
other course of action is mere self delusion. Do you
think that another country with the same power as the
US would act any differently?
Anyone, like bin laden, or arafat, who dares to attack
the US or its interests must be first humiliated and then
destroyed. This may cause resentment in other nations,
but what the hell are they going to do about it? Invade
America?
Anyone who threatens the viability of US corporates
must be taught a lesson. The US controls the IMF, the
World Bank, etc etc. The US should NOT be afraid to
use this leverage to further its own ends.
The time has come for the world to realise that we are
not beholden to any organisation, legal body or treaty,
whether or not we signed it sometime in the past.
Times, as they say, change.
Message 81/168 13-Aug-02 @ 02:48 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Zazza
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We'll fight the baddy with you george, we're on your side..
K, right on man... as long as people think interms of THEM and US, GOOD and EVIL, they are going to miss the awful obvious truth.. there is, always has been and always will be, both in every one of us. It's learning to see that and move beyond it that is the only possible solution.
So, I'm off to be a buddhist and pray for peace.
'Om oil munnee, Om oil munnee'
Message 82/168 13-Aug-02 @ 03:04 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
JAWA
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Doh, bad grammer, bad grammer. tut tut.
JAWA
"Why can't people just get along...."
Message 83/168 13-Aug-02 @ 06:42 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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Its almost childish.
Usually on a political field if you start mis-using words and generalise so blatantly you discredit yourself.
But in the case of the 'Terrorist' thing, GWB makes blatant generalisations and no one makes opposition about it.
What particular Terrorist organisation is Saddum funding? Tamal Tigers?
Is America at war against the Tamal Tigers?
What about the Terrorist Organisations internal to America?
Message 84/168 13-Aug-02 @ 06:51 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Message 85/168 13-Aug-02 @ 07:56 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
The flow of your rant (used in the classic, positive, English political tradition sense!
You see, they all start as reasonably successful solutions to pragmatic, immediate problems of the time.
Then, since they've succeeded, they're formalized into systems of absolute truth -- it worked, therefore it must be true.
Then, a flock of interpreters gathers around this formalized system, writes interpretations of it, and pretty soon you have warring factions with diametrically opposed interpretations claiming the other factions must be annihilated so that the truth of the originally successful system can be preserved. Usually, more than one of those factions succeeds in eliminating some of the others.
And thence, centuries of dispute, warfare, bloodshed, killing of innocents afterwards.
If you're lucky, the originally formalized system loses all authority in the real political and economic realm, and turns into an interesting series of grumblings by old scholars tucked quietly away in libraries.
I'm waiting for Judaism, Christianity, Marxism and Mohammedism to all achieve that wonderful, benevolent fate.
Meanwhile I am hoping for a new system to arise out of the accidental success of solving some significant socio-economic problem on a large scale, somewhere in the world.
My advice this time around: DON'T WRITE IT DOWN, GUYS. Just do it, be thankful you succeeded, remember you're only the best thing since sliced bread for awhile, and then you're toast. Don't create trouble for all of us by getting all huffy about it along the way, either.
Good advice for BT, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Britney Spears and other would-be religious figures along the way as well.
At least, that's what the aliens told _me_.
k, I think we talk to different aliens; I hope they get along with each other.
rt
Message 86/168 13-Aug-02 @ 10:30 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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Message 87/168 13-Aug-02 @ 11:19 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
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Message 88/168 14-Aug-02 @ 05:47 PM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Personaly i think a dual balanced system is required, with the fabric of the basics of society organised using a 'socialist' model and a then over that people can do whatever they want to persue their own business/trading/ self employment/businesses etc on a reasonable capitalist model.
I mean what's wrong with that?... the water, power, transport, health, basic housing etc should be state supplied to provide a stable base to society, the rest goes on top... what's wrong with that?
taken to a further level, countries can pool resources to provide a base system, like Greenland or iceland COULD supply the Uk with about 1/3rd of all the power we need, but we turn their offer down, so you could do stuff like that, countries with hydroelectric resources could provide to neighbouring states utilising their excess to supply other places, we could have safe nuclear plants on uninhabited islands and run cables from there, etc, wind farms in places which can capitalise on that resource, etc etc, big old solar farms in Africa & other hot places etc... try to balance things out.
Message 89/168 15-Aug-02 @ 04:59 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
-canadian
Message 90/168 15-Aug-02 @ 07:20 AM - RE: [ot] Should the US invade Iraq?
Zazza
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Sometimes... sometimes human beings are amazing too...
k, Capitalism isn't trade, capitalism is the accumulation of 'capital'... i.e. money, to fund 'growth'... works too...
In fact, no matter what system you have, you always get the same type of 'curve' i.e. a small proportion of the population will own a large proportion of the wealth.
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