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Subject: Playback sucks
Original Message 1/81 05-May-02 @ 08:10 PM - Playback sucks
no the cd didn't skip but I was quite drunk and everybody could see I wasn't playing live.
And drinking and playing live.. well, that's another story
I did a gig this weekend with playback and it did not go very well to put it mildly. I think there are two main reasons why it fucked up. First one first which was my own fault. I've never done a gig before and the promoter said they wanted bands with little need of gear so I thought:easy! I'll do playback (another thing.. YOU know what YOU need, get what you need if you get it don't play. You get fucked, not the promoter.). As I mentioned before, everybody could see I wasn't really playing live. That's not a good thing
The other thing which I believe fucked things up for me was that the introducer said I was a young talented artist from Bergen who produces trance and have a JUST faboulous voice. "Today he is going to sing and perform his song."
I DON't SING!! I HAVE NEVER SUNG IN MY LIFE!! WHY! HOW!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put the blame on other. I was responsible but the last one, fuck, who could I avoid it?
I don't know what I would have done with out my supporting friends backing me up and cheering like mad in the front. Cos, to be honest there wasn't a lot of cheering except from them. I managed to get some ok cheering at some points with some heavily clapping in the air (Yeah I know it's cheesy but what was I to do?) but then I forgot to play the keyboard, hehe.
There was a pretty big audience too, maybe 300 and I was unvoluntary picked out to *kick* off the show.
Anyway, this experience didn't turn my wish for playing live, but I'm NEVER EVER using playback again. By the way, this was my first gig ever.
Give me your flames and comfort. Especially comfort because I need it
I kinda look a bit humorous on it but it still sucks
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Message 3/81 05-May-02 @ 11:07 PM - RE: Playback sucks
of course i'd already stunned the audience by smashing a drum over my head. got to see that part preserved on videotape.
Message 4/81 06-May-02 @ 12:06 AM - RE: Playback sucks
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don't drink and drive, you might hit a bump and spill your drink.
Message 5/81 06-May-02 @ 05:55 AM - RE: Playback sucks
never sang? ever? not even a rousing rendition of "born to be wild" drunk in the shower where the reverb's really good?
Message 6/81 06-May-02 @ 04:02 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Falling of the stage is not a good move either, at least it is not playback, hehe
My performance was basicly looking like a twat behind a big keyboard while the sound engineer put my cd-r in the cd player and pressed play.
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Message 8/81 06-May-02 @ 09:00 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I was thinking of getting a sampler and sample some sequences and play them and mix and rearrange and filter and fx and ringmodulate and drink.. and I was also thinking of getting Kaoss pad.. that's gotta be awsome live. What do you think?
Message 9/81 06-May-02 @ 11:57 PM - RE: Playback sucks
wow. I would be hiding from the world if I had pulled that crap.
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Message 14/81 07-May-02 @ 09:10 AM - RE: Playback sucks
how do you say sick, then? like...when you "sick" your dog on someone?
sic? siq? feck.
Message 15/81 07-May-02 @ 09:20 AM - RE: Playback sucks
personally i prefer "i'll sick my rabid ants on you" it's bad english, but i don't care.
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Message 23/81 12-May-02 @ 10:11 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I hope I get to play live another time too
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Message 26/81 15-May-02 @ 07:47 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Nice, eh? :-)
Just gotta figure out how to go live with my setup. PC + VA's basicly... Logic audio.. midikeyboard.. Help is appreciated
If use playback I'm gonna tell the crowd that it is playback.. btw I think I sweared I wouldn't use playback..
Message 27/81 15-May-02 @ 08:36 PM - RE: Playback sucks
you really should look into a hardware sequencer.
Message 28/81 15-May-02 @ 08:51 PM - RE: Playback sucks
What about a sampler with sequencer? So that I can sample some sequences and tweak them real time..
What about compressors.. Right now I use T-racks for mastering.. should I put the master signal through some kind of compression.. this would improve the sound quality..
I want a kaoss pad
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Message 31/81 17-May-02 @ 04:00 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Well, they probably use Laptops and Fat boys for live tweaking.
Message 32/81 17-May-02 @ 09:43 PM - RE: Playback sucks
The RS7000 is pretty solid, but..a grand..so...
Message 33/81 18-May-02 @ 04:02 AM - RE: Playback sucks
A little compression is nice live, but not really that important. On a live system it'll sound damn good without it! I use an aural exciter with big bottom instead when I'm out, just on the back-end of the mix! Makes the set stand out from the DJ's...
Message 34/81 18-May-02 @ 08:43 PM - RE: Playback sucks
You got me thinking... I'm posting more about this soon .. as soon as I've made up some decent thoughts about it.
Message 35/81 18-May-02 @ 09:11 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Compression is good, even live. Just not something IMO that is needed on stage.
Message 36/81 18-May-02 @ 09:15 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Message 37/81 19-May-02 @ 11:57 PM - RE: Playback sucks
if your mixes truly do sound terrible, then youre simply not there yet.
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Message 46/81 21-May-02 @ 02:23 AM - RE: Playback sucks
i don't use compression on drums. yeah, yeah.. "i patch 'em right in the first place.." and i'll still be saying that when the only person who knows my name is the person looking at it on the chart on my door.
Message 47/81 21-May-02 @ 10:16 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I try to patch 'em right in the first place too but it usually sounds even better when I've run the mix through mastering. I usually don't use compression before mastering.. noise gate on the other hand is my secret tool.. ahh, I love the noise gate..
After mastering the sound is more "filling" or "tighter" ..
Hmm.. I think I'm gonna try to gate out the white noise on my recordings.. hmm.. maybe
fu!k I have to study for my exams.. maths and physics.. the two subjects which I suck the most at. Congratulations to me!
Message 48/81 21-May-02 @ 10:17 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Message 49/81 21-May-02 @ 11:51 PM - RE: Playback sucks
it's my spelling, man, it's paraplegic, not parapalegic. it's that damn hiphopping frog got to me. paraplegia=paralysis of the lower half of the body, quadra- = the wohle body.
and continuing in my "i'm so happy i can use vst now i'm ignoring that everyone else already knows about them" theme, here's a link to skidder, which is some really goooood gating for ya (tho not dynamics based.)
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Message 52/81 22-May-02 @ 07:33 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I know about vst plugins but I haven't really started using them yet.. *yet*. I keep hearing horror stories about talents getting lost in the jungle of vst plugins constantly downloading new and intriging plugins
Hey.. that skidder was cool. I think you can get some really out of space results with it.. just had a break from my studies and I played around with it.. mucho fun. I took this mellotron sample and added skidder to it.. oh my god, pretty god damn cool. Listen ok?
Message 53/81 22-May-02 @ 10:16 PM - RE: Playback sucks
now all i gotta do is learn to write my own (instruments of course.. effects are for samples..)
Message 54/81 22-May-02 @ 10:23 PM - RE: Playback sucks
You could get one of those Paia kits or maybe even better try to build one from scratch.
Message 55/81 23-May-02 @ 01:45 PM - RE: Playback sucks
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Message 57/81 23-May-02 @ 10:23 PM - RE: Playback sucks
What about rebuilding all you real analogs in to one mega modular beast? Don't know if it would possible.. but it would be cool.. having an analog hybrid or summat
Message 58/81 24-May-02 @ 01:26 AM - RE: Playback sucks
i've only really got one analog (pro-one, with one minor mod for s/n ratio) modded the fuck out of a dr110 - very rewarding.. got a kpr77 read6y to go.. built a fucked up little thing that made noises, got a few other circuits lying around.. hobby, really.. don't know what i'm doing.. other people here do.
but dsp is something i need to do.. i'll never get rich off music, and i'll probably never write more than two or three songs that sound even remotely similar. too boring. my purpose in life is to make unreal claims to inspire those who haven't done any shit to learn something, do something.. improve their pathetic selves. i can never enjoy life because the people are too stupid.
i give myself to you and your needs.
and god save me from the people who are here to help other people :p
oh and i got a box that has a pad you hit to make it clap. i'm gonig to donate it to somebody who likes to go to the theater but doesn't have two arms or something. hell, i'll save it, that could be me.
Message 59/81 24-May-02 @ 03:28 PM - RE: Playback sucks
Everybody wants to get rich.. I just wanna be more or less wealthy and have time to make choons.
Will you be rich making vst synths?
Not knowing what you're doing sometimes actually can be better when you are gonna do something. Dunno why really.. hehe.. but I think it's a fact
"i can never enjoy life because the people are too stupid. i give myself to you and your needs. "
That could be misinterpreted
Message 60/81 25-May-02 @ 03:06 AM - RE: Playback sucks
if i make a lot of money, no one will ever leave me alone, will they?
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Message 65/81 28-May-02 @ 08:49 PM - RE: Playback sucks
apart from that, i'm an aquarius and a dog.. end result=free meal for anyone who wants to take a bite out of poor old xoxos.
aah, i love to talk about me. sometimes people can learn from me. i, on the other hand, have nothing to learn
Message 66/81 31-May-02 @ 12:08 AM - RE: Playback sucks
i've seen people blown up in front of my eyes. i've seen my family house (a lovely little place called maes-y-deri) demolished and nasty cheap apartment complexes thrown up in its stead. i've seen the way americans (especially) treat people (after, it goes w/o mention, a few intoxicating hours of television.) i've seen my creations destroyed by others without them stopping to think twice. i've seen the mass of people demonstrate absolutely no regard for one another whatsoever, and i've done it myself (at an increasingly younger age.) and so i've come to the following conclusion:
this world is shit, and the people in it are absolute shit. whatever you have in this life can be taken away from you or otherwise ruined by someone.
so any form of happiness based on what you have is hopeless, because some utter prick will come along and blow it up, crash into it, slit it's throat, give it cocaine or otherwise leave it in a shambles.
so i base my happiness in what i can impart to others in the form of knowledge and technique, because it can take a fucking eternity to get something you want accomplished with so many bastards in the world, but likewise, it takes no time whatsoever to find someone who's in the dark (probably put there by someone else) and shed a little light, especially for someone (ahem) as comparatively cosmopolitan to the mean as i
when i was very young, i was told the chinese believe heaven and hell to be identical scenarios.. a table filled with food, but only to be eaten with 10 foot long chopsticks that are provided. they always have these things. in hell, all the selfish bastards starve, and in heaven, everyone is fat and happy because they feed each other.
i will kick mr. emagic in the crotch given the opportunity! well unless his house gets blown up and he reads this first.
(so ask me about my incessant claims of superiority when practically everybody has no discernible goal beyond papa johns, shiny rims and a stinking bit o minge.)
Message 67/81 19-Jun-02 @ 11:13 AM - RE: Playback sucks
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I'm almost finished preparing my performance, and this time I can do live tweaks\mute\solos.. everything is run from logic in real time. I'm really looking forward to it. I just hope I get time enough to get it all rigged because it's a really tight schedule and I'm bringing a lot of stuff, I'm even bringing my monitors for monitoring (*cough* and for a of bit showing off too) because I didn't get the right image (*cough* soundimage) with my headphones.
And I hope nobody steals my gear
wish me luck, this time I'm not drunk
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Message 70/81 19-Jun-02 @ 09:17 PM - RE: Playback sucks
xoxos you silly. can you not laugh at yourself?
it's not the same as being laughable. wasn't dissing you, if that's what you thought. nice one about chinese heaven. happy emagic-crotch-kicking. mac versions?
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I believe the sound was not good, people told me it was distorted and the piano could was really hard to spot. I have no idea how it sounded because I only stood behind the speakers and all I could here from that spot was the reverb of somethin that sounded like my song.. wish they had given me a 5 minute soundcheck, maybe some of this could have been avoided.
And guess what?
I enter the stage, I present my song and I go over to my table filled my gear and my comp. What do I see? I see that some smartass has cut the power.. So, what I had to do was to get the power back and turn on my comp and start logic and load my song
That ruined it for me really.. plus that with the sound.
Anyway, it wasn't playback this time.
What I've discovered when I try to perform is that I do not consetrate on the music, I have really no idea where in the song I am. This is not a good thing I think, it's probably because I'm nervous.
I did get to play live once again and that was nice but I'd be really happy if it had gone a bit different
Message 72/81 21-Jun-02 @ 12:10 AM - RE: Playback sucks
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And when I woke up I felt like shit because I knew my gear was unsafe.. and I promise you it will be the last time I leave my gear alone. People could easily have stolen my gear..
I felt it all over my body that my gear was unsafe, I'm not sure what I would have done if something or all had been nicked
Message 73/81 21-Jun-02 @ 12:38 AM - RE: Playback sucks
i know you're set knowa, i just have to say this stuff. it's what i do.
Message 74/81 21-Jun-02 @ 07:27 AM - RE: Playback sucks
it's the same deal with anything you care about.. wife, kids, child porn tapes.. you fret endlessly when they're out of your sphere of control. but that's how d' devil gets into d' world. it is a paper moon after all.
(heh we had some guy in tucson take a dennys hostage to force authorities to return confiscated child porn - he shot two people! killed one, a pregnant mother.. well i mean more 'heh' that raw gasping sound one makes when feeling aged and experienced and doling out advice than 'har har')
fuck, my town's pretty damn rough looknig back on this past year
Message 75/81 24-Jun-02 @ 11:37 AM - RE: Playback sucks
1) Ride, schmide. You NEVER leave your gear at the gig. You lock it up at a friend's place with their valuables, or you bring it home, or later, if it gets to this point, in the hotel, with all of it accounted for and insured, none of this 'not accountable for stolen articles' shit. Cover your ass and your gear. Always always. Couldn't sleep? Good you carry it home on your back if you have to, or you wait at the gig for whoever invited you to play to take care of you. Period. Inconvenience, my ass. Those are your tools of expressing what worlds alone or mediums visual do not. Treat them accordingly.
2: Unless it's some heavily coordinated performance, in which case you have a tech standing there the whole time at side stage before and while you play, you always go on early to verify your gear. You're not fucking rockstar. You are there to make music. You need to have your gear up and ready, and you need it to stay that way. Which many rockstars don't have a tech check their amps and gear before they go onstage? The failures, or the ones that do it themselves.
In the mean time, congrats on getting out there. Keep going.
Message 76/81 25-Jun-02 @ 05:25 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I'm no rockstar? :-)
Message 77/81 25-Jun-02 @ 06:31 PM - RE: Playback sucks
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I remember my first year of gigs. I thought it was a miracle that people would ask me back, after all the mistakes and bad mixes and EXCUSES! Don't sweat what has happened just learn from it!
Pongoid's right as usual. DON'T EVER leave your gear where you aren't. I've left mine in my hotel room but all of my gear is insured against loss (even on the road) which isn't completely cheap but way cheaper than replacement! I once had a kid spill a pepsi on my A3000!!! If you play out get insured!
I always go up 15 minutes before a set and make sure everything's hooked up and working! You don't want that bullshit when everyone's staring at you. And SHOW UP EARLY for soundcheck!!! Get there hours early if you have to. But make sure there's room for your kit and that you have the opportunity to hear your music in house before the party! (Promoters are used to DJ's, they don't understand that you need extra room. I've been to many a venue that needed serious reorganization on stage because of a lack of space!) Also, showing up early and helping decorate and set up (after your shit is taken care of) is a great way to meet the people who may (or may not) ask you back. When you've no resume you need to get in with these people.
I thought you brought your monitors! Why couldn't you hear your trax? If they don't have monitors you need to bring yours. And don't let the nappy headed "sound guy" tell you you can't have a line for your monitors. He's wrong and you need to be able to show him why!
I don't know if you use HW on stage (but if you don't you should! It REALLY is more stable). If you do, make sure you know the ins and outs of every part of your gear. Have everything backed up in case of memory loss. Be sure you can plug everything you need into one source and bring a cable for it. And bring redundant audio cables, it's got to be every other show that i don't have a cable I KNEW I brought. On that note... leave as many cables plugged in as your gear and cases permit. You should be able to set up and break down in next to no time at all, without being in the way of the next act!
that's all I can think of. A lot of it is obvious shit, but most peole don't think about it until it happens to them.
I can't tell you how many cables I've loaned to other acts at party's...
Message 78/81 25-Jun-02 @ 07:09 PM - RE: Playback sucks
I actually showed up really early so that I could get a soundcheck but I still didn't get any. You get yours in 20 mins, oh, in 15, another 15 mins.. 10 mins .. 5 mins. Ok, the show is starting. Too bad you didn't get a soundcheck
I definately agree about meeting people, that's what my first time. I got in touch with the keyboard guy to Apollo (a wellknown norwegian rapper). He was really nice and he had a Nord 2 which I drooled on
I think one of the problems with the sound was that the signal from my mixer was too loud, but this would have been fixed in no time if I had a soundcheck. Besides, I can't see why the soundguy didn't lower his inputs if it was too loud.
I brought most of my stuff.. my comp, my synths, mixers, monitors and amp :D It took me over 20 mins to get it all running..
Hmm, maybe a sampler and a cheap hardware sequencer is smart. I could sample the EXS24 parts and have the rest of my song sequenced from the Hardware sequencer.
Message 79/81 25-Jun-02 @ 09:49 PM - RE: Playback sucks
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Like I said though, don't worry about what's been. Just take care of the future. With time you'll gain confidence, and they'll listen without the B/S if they see that you know what you're doing.
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