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Original Message 1/34 29-Oct-02 @ 05:24 PM - TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Hi ! Anyone tried the Fireworx and the M300 ?
I know they are different products, of course.
But the M300 is cheap, so does it sound cheap ?
But the Fireworx seems to offer wonderful effects. Is that so ?
And, BTW : does anyone know a cheaper effect module that could give the same "lo-fi micro" effect (just like Neil Armstrong on the moon talking) on a voice that we can hear in Fireworx demo ?
Thx.

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Message 2/34 29-Oct-02 @ 05:43 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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easy - I did it on a track once... use drastic 'radio frequency' eq and some added distortion... plus add a 'bleep' and a burst of distorted white noise at the start & end of each phrase to make it really authentic sounding

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Message 3/34 29-Oct-02 @ 06:27 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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i�ve used Fireworks and i think it really kicks ass. its pretty mad really, you get your grid where you can stack up to 12(16? cant remember) fx blocks and make something really nasty. it even has a synth module built in. if you have the money to spare it is actually worth getting.

M300 is a totaly different ballgame, its a standard fx unit. dunno if it sounds goon, never had a chance to try it.

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Message 4/34 29-Oct-02 @ 06:56 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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I borrowed a Fireworx for a couple months and LOVED it. It's like a plugin-chainer in a box (especially with all the digital IO). Sick sounding compressor, nice reverb and delays, and really cool vocoder and crazy fx. Very flexible and highly highly recommended.

psylichon

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Message 5/34 29-Oct-02 @ 07:16 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

JX3P0

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I use a finalizer 96K+ Spark software and my
boy has ALL the other boxes except the big big
monkey box.Trust me if it says TC Electronic
or TC Works(software division) it's the
shizznit.seen.

H

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Message 6/34 29-Oct-02 @ 09:50 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Paleface

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I've got an m300. It's fabulous. I paid �220 for it, which is about four times what I paid for my Zoom 1201... and it must about about forty times better. The spring reverb is great, well, all the verbs are great; the mod effects are good too, though. I'm in love with the Tape Delay - a little bit of filtering on the delay signal. And it's tap-tempo-syncable, which is luxury for me.

Basically: it's a very basic effects box. But it's a very basic effects box with TC inside; dead easy to use, very hands on (all editing done on the knobs bar preset selection) so it really wants to be fiddled with. Great quality, silly price - and it's v well built too. And is shiney and bluey-silver. I love mine, I wouldn't recommend ANYTHING else as a "first effects box" - it's never going to go out of fashion. Unlike my Zoom. Which I sold.

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Message 7/34 30-Oct-02 @ 02:07 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Thanks K for the "how to do it" :-)
And thanks to all of you for the pieces of advice !

I know M300 and Fireworx are different, of course.

The M300 is cheap, dead easy to use (two knobs, and that's all ?????). Of course, the Fireworx is powerful but quite more expensive.

In fact, I'd like to boost my synths and add some "weirdos" effects (for my electronic compos, not the "classic ones"), so I'm looking out for some solution.
I'm not sure if I can trust the softwares effects or plugins, like in Soundforge or others, because you don't have "real time" control on them.
And I know TC-Electronics to be acclaimed by many magazines (can I trust the magazines ?).
How "realtime" is your sofware Finalizer, JX3PO ?
How user-friendly ?

Any other ideas or hints on "fat" or "strange" effects modules ?
Fireworx seems the most adapted to process the sound and twist it drastically... But I'm new in the "effect" world :-)

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Message 8/34 30-Oct-02 @ 02:21 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

milan

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umm... used Ensoniq DP4 springs to mind. you can run 4(!) separate effects with own ins and outs, or you can stack four fx is serial to create a single mad one. i dont think its ery expensive 2nd hand.

and then there was an older lexicon, can remember tha name, anyone else? 1u rack thingie?

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Message 9/34 30-Oct-02 @ 03:22 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

damballah

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there's some dp4s on ebay for around US$400, you can also find the occasional eventide thing on there for around US$1100 which is about where s/h fireworxs go.

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Message 10/34 30-Oct-02 @ 03:57 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Thanx, I'm going to try and find something about the Ensoniq effects. And the Lexicon...

I'm really a newbie because I usually use the effects included on the synths sound generators. But I'd like something more, now, something more twisted and weird (disto, phaser, compressor)
I'm an "Infected Mushroom" wannabe :-)

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Message 11/34 30-Oct-02 @ 11:02 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

JX3P0

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Spark is very realtime.They even have presets
now in the fx machine(the plug in window) for
doing multiband dynamics processing like my
Hardware finalizer(less setup time).I mainly
use my Finalizer now as A/D D/A for my
Mac.Only deal w/ Spark is it's a Mac
program.But it's definitely the cream of the
stereo editors.It also works in OS X which
compared to PC solutions just makes it all
worth the expense.But I do video editing w/ my
Macs so it offset the cost for me.The best way
to work w/ it is to Batch Process all your files
you intend on working on for a
session(SRC,Normalize,Dither,etc.) then cut/
process w/ the plugs and hit create file.After
that you just drop the files into a playlist and
export the image to your burning app and
boom it's done.Not to mention it's got a
wicked VSTi modular synth.I got Peak DV w/
my Final Cut Pro 3 upgrade and tried it.I was
like,WTF is this crap?If those PC apps are
anything like Peak then I feel for all you
peeps.Cause Spark is the shizznit for
editng,mastering and burning your material.It
also includes the Pro MP3 encoder.Not to
mention tech support is so wicked.One night
when I first got it I had a lil trouble w/ my plug
inz giving me an error code.Well I got on the
horn to Germany and get this,The dude who
answered the phone fixed my issue
immediately.Blew my freakin mind.He
answered the phone in german but as soon
as I spoke Enlish he just asked me the
trouble and fixed it right up.No hold time,No
countless questions about what platform(mac
of course that's what it's for silly),just a straight
answer to a pretty odd question.TC are the
gods of gear.If they made synths and mixers
and turntables,and all the other goodies I
would have a TC studio.They Rock.

H- They're just so good at what they do it's
scary.

The Hardware is from Denmark and Software
from Germany and they know their stuff,all of
em.

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Message 12/34 31-Oct-02 @ 07:22 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Pongoid

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The Lexicon might be the MPX1 (?). Good unit and pretty damn affordable of the sound quality.

Ape

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Message 13/34 31-Oct-02 @ 11:22 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Ah, hu, yeah, the MPX1 is one of the most affordable Lexicon unit, yet, as far as I remember, it is just a reverb-delay unit...
Gonna check right now on their site :-)

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Message 14/34 31-Oct-02 @ 11:44 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

milan

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also those small half-rack ones. mxp/lxp? something like that. they can make some nasty fx. but i thought you wanted something which can do complex layered fx?

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Message 15/34 31-Oct-02 @ 12:38 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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Well, Milan, layered effects ARE great, cause you can create deeper effects !

But my aim would be to "improve" some synth sounds, actually !!!

Huge phasers are great, but some nice distos or fat compressor could do the thingy I'm looking for.

I've tried a guitar pedal "Metal Zone" on a voice and on a synth, but the result is crappy.
That's why I look into another direction: real racks for effects...

See what I mean ?

In the electronic music, nice phasers and delays are important, of course, but also some fat sounds and nice distos... In my mind...

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Message 16/34 31-Oct-02 @ 12:43 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

milan

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well i keep on kicking new ideas in your direction all the time. no need to explain, i know what you�re on about.

give that DP4 a look, you might like it.

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Message 17/34 31-Oct-02 @ 03:16 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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He he he !!! Milan (and all the others), don't worry that your pieces of advice and your ideas are not taken into consideration ! They're more than welcome to me !!!
If they were'nt, I wouldn't have created this thread. Or I would be a silly dumbass !!

By the way, the DP4 doesn't seem to be produced anymore, because they don't mention it on their site. I keep looking... And of course, I keep reading your ideas :-)

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Message 18/34 31-Oct-02 @ 03:29 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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JX3PO : yeah, Spark sounds great, except for one lil thing ! It's on Macintosh... And I'm a PC barbarian user... sorry... The whole price of a new Mac and the Spark software seems a lil high for my financial conditions :-)

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Message 19/34 31-Oct-02 @ 04:43 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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I told you, there's some on ebay, or were last I
checked. the mpx-1 is the lex that retailed for
around US$1000, a little more versatile than
it's little mpx brothers -- mpx100, mpx200, mpx
500. the low-end tc stuff has better sounding
tails on their verbs than the cheapie lexicons.

also ^^ there's a link to an eventide h3000 that
goes off in 3 days, is only at US$799 currently,
with no reserve. (and no, it ain't mine, just the
same town by coincedence).

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Message 20/34 31-Oct-02 @ 08:03 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

99devils

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The Metal Zone sounds nice on synths.. Just remember it is used to getting a guitar level signal, not a line level signal. Turn whatever is feeding it waaaay down and use very little gain.

-Craig

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Message 21/34 01-Nov-02 @ 10:57 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Pongoid

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H3000? Oh my, now THAT would be nice.

Ape

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Message 22/34 02-Nov-02 @ 08:38 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

JX3P0

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Well of course it's on a mac.TC doesn't
manufacture crap.Plug ins are easy to support
but w/ the proliferation of cheapsets,umm I
mean chipsets apps are hard to support on
the level TC does w/ Spark.eMacs are $1099
that's what i'm using Spark on now.I neeeded
my PCI based G4 for video stuff.

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I'm tellin ya,NOTHING compares to
Spark.Even Sonic Solutions sux compared to
it IMHO.It's OS X also which is just so ing
stable it's sick.

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Message 23/34 04-Nov-02 @ 08:19 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Well, Craig, I actually was careful and used a very low gain (and all the possible distortions).
I wanted to use the distortion and the equalizer of the Metal Zone.
I just don't like the result !
:-)

I found a used Fireworx (1200 �) in my own town and I'm gonna try it to get a better idea !!!!

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Message 24/34 04-Nov-02 @ 09:57 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

milan

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used for 1200eur? i think thats a bit steep man, new one is going for 1550 from musikproduktiv in germany! better try to knock that price down a bit if you�re gonna go for it.

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Message 25/34 04-Nov-02 @ 11:46 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

bedwyr

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spark? fx machine thing? on my pc as a vst plug? yes.

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Message 26/34 04-Nov-02 @ 02:09 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Well, I found the Fireworx at my closest retailer for 2100 euros NEW !

Hem, I know that this stuff is expensive, but as a used one, the one I found seems not bad !

I guess I'm gonna start and buy on the Internet, even if there is no direct support...

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Message 27/34 04-Nov-02 @ 02:12 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

milan

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jeezus christus! where do you live man? anyway, you can still order via internet or something, no?

anyway, just trying to help you save money... imagine what you could do with extra cash

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Message 28/34 04-Nov-02 @ 02:24 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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He he he !! I live in France, dude !

That's where I'll pay about 1250 euros for a �Q Omega or 1850 � for a Virus C !
I hate this country !

Actually, I found the same material cheaper in Italy. Gotta go there on holiday !!! I'm half Italian.

Yeah, I could buy on the Internet.
The only thing is I really like my retailer (excellent direct support) and I don't trust the support delay when you can't come personnaly to cry or fight for you rights :-)

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Message 29/34 04-Nov-02 @ 02:27 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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Besides, with a name like Milan, I guess you ARE Italian, aren't you ?

Do you know the Merula shop in Bra (Piemonte) ? They're really cheap, but offer lil support even for pricing information :-(

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Message 30/34 04-Nov-02 @ 09:37 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

99devils

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To each his own, I guess. Actually, I don' use the Metal Zone all that often. I've got way too many distortions.. Between the 01V, software, and the POD I'm pretty sorted

-Craig

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Message 31/34 06-Nov-02 @ 05:39 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

JX3P0

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I do believe the FX machine plug is available
for PC.But it's the whole spark package that
takes the cake.

H- FX machine would make a big
improvement though.

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Message 32/34 06-Nov-02 @ 07:18 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

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believe? i told you i got it on my pc. no need to believe, coz you now know

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Message 33/34 07-Nov-02 @ 01:48 AM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

JX3P0

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cool you got the modular too.Is there a smore
on your osc?funny thing is in os 9 for the mac
it ate itself.In OS X you get to take a bite as
often as you like.There see it's on a PC w/ all
the plugs.That's all ya need to master w/ in
realtime.Fun stuff i'm tellin ya.

H- did I mention tc has the best support
around?

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Message 34/34 07-Nov-02 @ 01:15 PM - RE: TC-Electronics ???

Kazhul

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mmmmmmm.... Right. and thanks to everyone for your support !!!
I'm going to try and find infos about Spark plugin, btw :-)

Actually, I'm a complete newbie in Mixing and Editing, and of course, in processing, I mean, except the synths built-in features...
I've just bought an Echo Mia card, and I'm now searching for good tutorials about getting a real mix for simply recorded tracks ! I have time, since I still wait for the rest of my stuff (a �Q) to be available.

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