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Original Message 1/69 02-Dec-02 @ 01:41 PM - Hardware compressors

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I'm looking to add a h/w compressor to my studio. I have some good s/w ones, but I miss the ability to compress things realtime while I'm composing and arranging. I have a nice unit (Focusrite Tonefactory) that has some simple adjustments for recording acoustic things (voice included), but I'd like to add something that has all the features. I'm looking for a unit that has the following features...

1. Full control of Attack, Release, Threshold, Ratio

2. LOW LOW LOW noise

3. Dual Mono (for compressing a bassline and a kick drum simultaneously

4. $500 or less (US)

The units that have been recommended to me are the Presonus ACP-22 (I had a bluemax that was quite good and I am leaning towards them for product loyalty), a dbx160, the HHB Fat Man, a Summit box and a Joe Meek. Because I have a good mic-pre in the Tonefactory, this unit will only be used for instruments, and again, a LOW noise floor is very important. Thanks.

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Message 2/69 02-Dec-02 @ 02:23 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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How about a Focusrite Compounder? They have a HUGE function that is designed to be used on kicks and bass. It also sounds transparent and PHATT!

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Message 3/69 02-Dec-02 @ 03:10 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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thats what i was thinking. btw, dbx160 although a kick ass compressor is only mono.

huge, eh? man, why dont more companies dont do that. imagine having buttons labeled "lovely", "sweet", "brathtaking" etc and they all worked as intended...

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Message 4/69 02-Dec-02 @ 04:25 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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The Compounder looks interesting, but appears to be mono. Is that not the case?

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Message 5/69 02-Dec-02 @ 05:38 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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nooo. stereo or double mono.

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Message 6/69 02-Dec-02 @ 07:43 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Shit, that looks nice then. Looks exactly like my Tonefactory. Same company? ;-)

Any opinions on the others I mentioned? I believe that there is a version of the dbx160 that is dual mono...the 1066 is dual mono.

I've always been under the impression that the dbx stuff was...cheap. In price and quality. Is that not true?

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Message 7/69 02-Dec-02 @ 08:12 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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noooo! they do make budget boxes, but some of their stuff is pure classic. like 160 for example (dunno if 1066 has got anything to do with it though). its really world class for smooth transparent compression, super nice sound (mebbe not what you are looking for?). dbx also makes units for broadcast application etc etc... also some nice vintage boxes which are now sought after by some...

hey! how about RNC? for 500$ you coul get two and use them as two mono or two stereo comps. think about it.

but still, compounder is supposed to be really good too, and from a name company, and also it matches your tonefactory (wish i had one) etc etc... ;)

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Message 8/69 02-Dec-02 @ 09:12 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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how much is this 160?... it could be a bargain!

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Message 9/69 02-Dec-02 @ 11:18 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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is it the plain 160 that is so dope? thought it was the 160x?

anyway...$225 or so..

and the 1066 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the "good" DBX stuff except the name

Darin..they make one called the 166A..Ive used it and its cool

you mentioned the HHB fatman..>NOT dual mono. The radius 30 is tho..and those are ok.

another kinda cool one is the bellari RP582 (282?)...2u rack, dual mono tube compressor

definitely not high end..but for $500 not much is gonna be...

RNCs are damn solid too, and theres the JoeMeek SC2.2...

if you SCORED you could find a joe meek SC2..the original..but theyre stereo, too...

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Message 10/69 03-Dec-02 @ 12:08 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Those RNC's look pretty cool. 2 for $400 ain't so bad either. Order out of state and no sales tax. :-) Love it. Interesting, nothing in the New England area. That sucks. Anyhow - anyone using these things? How fast an attack is a good fast attack? (in relation to the ability of unit to detect an incoming signal and act on it) The documentation says .2 miliseconds. Is that fast in compression terms?

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Message 11/69 03-Dec-02 @ 03:06 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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a nice 160 is still going to be expensive. the 162 was the stereo version. 1000-1500. 160's go for 600-800. RNC get high props. Also don't over look the joe meek.

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Message 12/69 03-Dec-02 @ 10:08 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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yeah, everyone who tried an RNC rates them highly. .2ms is extremely fast in compression terms, i wonder how that translates to real world usage though. anyway, should be fast enough. many "classic" compressors arent that fast anyway.

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Message 13/69 03-Dec-02 @ 10:21 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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dont forget the TL audio C1

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Message 14/69 04-Dec-02 @ 01:39 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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The Joe Meek looks a little expensive though. The 160 is probably out of my pricerange as well. I'll take a closer look at those RNC's. I've heard lots of good things about them as well.

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Message 15/69 04-Dec-02 @ 02:11 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Ive seen the SC2 for $500. rare tho

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Message 16/69 04-Dec-02 @ 04:29 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Well...if you talk to the right people you could probably pick up two RNC's for just over $300 plus shipping. That's four channels of compression, and I do love mine.

Ape

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Message 17/69 04-Dec-02 @ 05:16 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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true true. I scored 2 for $250 once.

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Message 18/69 04-Dec-02 @ 06:49 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Now we're talking.

Ape, can you tell me a little bit more about yours? You love 'em? Why? Why better than others? Is price a factor (meaning you got a good value)? or are they just GREAT compressors?

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Message 19/69 04-Dec-02 @ 06:55 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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I've never used the RNC's more than twice, but from memory and what I've heard, they're no so good for 'character' compression. That is, if you want to alter the waveform of what you're compressing with slower attack and release (for punch) or anything else that relies on good sounding 'ballistics' the RNC's just won't pump like you want them to. They're most used as buss compressors because they're so transparent.

But I don't own one, so get a second opinion (preferably your own... go to guitar center with a CD of full tunes and individual tracks of stuff you'd normally compress and set up a little tester!)

psy

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Message 20/69 04-Dec-02 @ 07:07 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Cool Funklogic thingy... ^^^

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Message 21/69 05-Dec-02 @ 10:58 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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I may have to take a trip to Foxboro, MA - they distribute them but I don't know if they're in stock. Not sure how you try out a compressor, though...

Psy - your experience is that they probably won't achieve the sound I am looking for. Is that correct? From what I've heard from Pongoid's music, a thumping compressor is very important. Seems like you guys have had a VASTLY different experience with the same box.

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Message 22/69 05-Dec-02 @ 11:09 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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well, it depends on what he uses it for. Plus he owns it, so I'm sure he really knows how to use it.

psy

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Message 23/69 05-Dec-02 @ 11:18 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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pongoids stuff never sounded very compressed to me, quite the contrary actually. so i wouldnt exclude psy�s opinion on this one. i�d say pongoids thump comes from programming and the soundsource.

compounder still sounds like your best bet. from smooth to thumping, its supposed to deliver the goods.

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Message 24/69 06-Dec-02 @ 02:02 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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you want grit and aggressive style sound right?

compounder is damn cool. DBX 166x

better yet..honestly darin...buy a Universal Audio UAD-1. for $600 you get 1176LN, LA2A, and the CS-1 compression isnt exactly something to turn your nose up

PLUS Pultec EQ, RealVerb Pro (me gusto mucho altho others bitch about it) and MORE...all on its own DSP...

honestly...get that thing and you wont look back

oh shit...youre running sonar tho. dunno bout that...

anyone? DX wrapper to use UAD-1?

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Message 25/69 06-Dec-02 @ 02:46 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Not discounting Psy's experience at all, simply pointing out that there was a difference of opinion (possibly) on something fundamental. Probably shouldn't speak for Ape, as he does a good job of that on his own. What's up Ape?

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Message 26/69 06-Dec-02 @ 03:43 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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I've heard the wrappers work fine with the UAD

psy

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Message 27/69 06-Dec-02 @ 06:08 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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well then are you LISTENING, Darin?

if youre doing audio sequencing...the UAD-1 is IT, dawg.

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Message 28/69 06-Dec-02 @ 09:43 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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all the reviews i've read about the rnc say it doesn't do "character", transparent all the way, hard to get it to pump, et c.

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Message 29/69 06-Dec-02 @ 03:41 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Look, just get the compounder! Its a bad boy! It sounds Phatt!

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Message 30/69 06-Dec-02 @ 10:46 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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UAD-1 is s/w, right? I already have some s/w compressors that I like, but I can't really use those while composing. I'm looking for a h/w compressor.

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Message 31/69 07-Dec-02 @ 12:31 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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so get the god damn compounder you NUT.

just kiddin..

I dont get why you need something for "composing"...but hey. its all you.

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Message 32/69 07-Dec-02 @ 02:29 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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You can get some ok pump by backing off of the attack and release , and setting the threshold lower, then raising the gain, and ratio on the RNC. I'm getting mine to pump more and more, but yes it is pretty tranparent for the most part, and I kind of prefer that. For software, you want pump? Try the Timeworx CompressorX. Hardware hard pumper? How much you want to spend? I've seen a lot of kids in Europe using the Drawmer, but I'm not into that completely squashed out to hell crap, where all you hear is a distorted kick, then it lets off, and the rest of the sounds rush in for a fraction of a second, only to be squashed out of the mix again by the kick. No real single solution. I'm happy with my sound, but it's not your sound. What are you trying to achieve, and what are you trying to compress?

Ape

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Message 33/69 08-Dec-02 @ 12:55 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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As I said, I'm looking for some compression on kicks and bass. Something to round out the bass some, with a little pumping. I'm not a squasher either, but some subtle compression is what I am after. The type of compression on my Tonefactory is nice, but I would like more control. The degrees to which you alluded to )"that completely squashed out to hell crap, where all you hear is a distorted kick, then it lets off, and the rest of the sounds rush in for a fraction of a second, only to be squashed out of the mix again by the kick") Ape, are a little more than I am looking for (I know the sound). I think something fairly transparent is more appropriate for the type of music I do.

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Message 34/69 08-Dec-02 @ 09:36 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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honestly..if youre happy with the tone factory, then youd like a compounder. it can be mean and it can be clean, both just as easily

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Message 35/69 09-Dec-02 @ 03:14 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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okay - I'm looking at the compounder as well. A little hard to come by, however. I see one on Ebay, and nowhere else. They got good reviews as well - kind of difficult to choose between a couple of RNC's and a Compounder, though.

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Message 36/69 09-Dec-02 @ 08:22 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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no, its not. not if you want aggressive "soundy" compression

sure there are others, but if youve narrowed it down then its the compounder for sound

tell you what holmes. play your cards right and you could get BOTH for that $500 you wanted to spend.

serious

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Message 37/69 09-Dec-02 @ 08:30 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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get the one with all the numbrers for the name. that's much more impressive and spaceshipy than some 'soundcuddler' word sort of name.

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Message 38/69 09-Dec-02 @ 11:41 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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dunno. compounder sounds pretty badass

Really Nice Compressor

awwwwwww.

1176!

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Message 39/69 10-Dec-02 @ 10:56 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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I've been after a compunder for a while Z. I heard one about two years back that a guy (Mindfield) was running on his live PA kit. Been trying to get one off and on ever since... I either can't find one when I do have cash, or I find 'em and don't have the spare dosh to snag it.... BAH... One day...

But yeah, I do like the "sound" of the compounder, although it do seem to be fairly transparent when you wants.

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Message 40/69 11-Dec-02 @ 01:24 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Well, believe it or not, I'm kinda thinkin' that an investment in software might be a better investment. Something like a Waves package with the compressor and that MaxxBass thingy... Aren't they getting kinda annoying with their copyright protections, though?

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Message 41/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:25 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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listen you wishy washy piece of shit east-coast er.

if you buy WAVES Im gonna kick your ASSSSSSSS.

get. a. ing. U. A. D. 1.

dammit

youll never look back. I PROMISE

and none of this stupid ONE install idiotic copyright protection.

the 1176 and LA2A alone are worth it!

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Message 42/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:44 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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That ing shit is expensive though!! I don't think I can get that one by my wife...

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Message 43/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:47 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Okay - $599 is too much money, AND...

Doesn't support DXI and Sonar. So I'm SOL on that one.

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Message 44/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:49 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Well, the waves bundles ain't cheap either... And yeah, the waves stuff uses that fugged up PACE copy protection. 'Orrible stuff that can cause problems with yer configuration.

You asked about SF... Annoying copy protection, needs an activation code you can get via the phone or the web.... Not toooo horrible, but a pain in the ass.

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Message 45/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:53 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Hey Mindspawn, what are you up to this weekend? Wanna fix my computer for me? ;-)

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Message 46/69 11-Dec-02 @ 02:56 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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What do folks say about 1178s?

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Message 47/69 11-Dec-02 @ 03:07 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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i have been seriously considering selling my waves gold bundle... would let it go for a good price if you are interested...

i spoke to waves and they will transfer license for a fee (i think it was $100 or something?)

theres nothing wrong with the plugs, i only ever use the renisance stuff but lately i sequence on the rs7k not sonar so it doesnt matter.

also i am getting an itch for some outboard mastering gear (i also use the waves stuff for mastering)

the ren comp is very nice :-)

email me if you are interested formant@bellsouth.net

jamey

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Message 48/69 11-Dec-02 @ 03:08 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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if you have a cool vocal channel i would consider a trade btw :-)

jamey

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Message 49/69 11-Dec-02 @ 04:18 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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just buy the waves plugs to clear your conscience and then use the cracks to avoid the copy protection

and for the record, yet again, the UAD-1 can be used with Sonar with the FXPansion wrapper (possibly others).

psy

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Message 50/69 11-Dec-02 @ 06:01 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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you said $500, DZ

I..might...be able to help there

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Message 51/69 11-Dec-02 @ 04:08 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Hey Z - I'd be happy to help sort ya out, unfortunately I'm takin' off tomorrow an' I won't be back until the 24th (heading to the bowels of the midwest...)...

If yer still havin' issues when i return, by all means, give a shout an' well see about sortin' you out.

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Message 52/69 14-Dec-02 @ 09:41 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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I've been doing some reading on the UAD1 deal and it looks like it has some latency and stability problems. I'm not sure that I want to add that to my list of issues. Plus, anything involving computer hardware has been a real pain in the ass for me. So, I think I'm gonna steer clear of that.

I also looked into the Waves stuff, and its simply too rich for me. I DEFINITELY can't afford that stuff. SF is still a possibility as I have used it and liked it - a heck of a lot more than Wavelab, anyways.

Once I get my RM1X sold, and the holidays are over, I'm gonna need to make a decision. I'm still leaning in the h/w compressor direction, but I could bypass the whole thing and get a used keyboard for fun. :-) I can be a gear-whore once, right?

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Message 53/69 14-Dec-02 @ 11:27 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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"i have been seriously considering selling my waves gold bundle... would let it go for a good price if you are interested... "

formant@bellsouth.net

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Message 54/69 15-Dec-02 @ 04:26 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Waves folks wants $100 for a license transfer? That sounds like a crock to me.

I've always secretly lusted after a virus and/or a prophecy... $500 could get me either. ;-)

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Message 55/69 15-Dec-02 @ 02:08 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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ha ha cool well i wasn't planning on doing anything till early next year so just let me know

you can get a virus A now for $500??

wait, i am saving up for a hardware compressor myself.. no more synths!!!!

jaemy

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Message 56/69 15-Dec-02 @ 02:41 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Yeah man, I was digging through Harmony Central classifieds and saw a bunch around $450. Same with the Prophecy. Or, I could go completely analog. Anyone know of a good $500 analog? ;-)

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Message 57/69 15-Dec-02 @ 10:25 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Juno 60 - around $250-350.

Juno 106, has built in MIDI - around $350

Technosaurus - $250-400

SH 101 - around $250-350

Chroma Polaris - around $400

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Message 58/69 16-Dec-02 @ 12:16 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Mindspawn, you're a trip. ;-)

Before I got the Darkstar, I considered the technosaurus, and since considering a "frivolous" buy here, I have looked into the Juno 106 and SH101. I was talking to my wife about this today, and she says analog. Problem is that it's tough to find one to play.

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Message 59/69 16-Dec-02 @ 03:34 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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shit. you go from a compressor toa synth. funny guy

want real analog with modern capabilities?

pulse.

or that new..uh..shit..whats it called? uh...damn. breakerbox showed it to me

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Message 60/69 16-Dec-02 @ 07:11 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Well analogs ain't for the meek. A lot of 'em don't have any way of "saving" a patch. You dial it in, use it, turn it off, and lose it.... That said, they do things a digital synth can't/won't due to active electronics, changes in power supply/temperature, etc. Also, some of the analogs are more stable than others. The Junos are fairly straight forward, most can save patches, and in cases like the Juno 106, you get built in MIDI.

If you're a patient sort, dunna worry too much about not being able to "play" one to test. As long as the machine is in good working order methinks you'll dig it. Pretty much everyone I've ever seen turned onto analogs really prefer them over digital, present company included. Mind you, for any kind of live play, I still favor the digital side of things, solely cos you have a lot less headaches when dragging them to shows and so on...

I've got a couple analogs over here at the studio if you want to see what they're like to muck about with... Did I introduce you to the Chroma Polaris the last time you were here?

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Message 61/69 16-Dec-02 @ 12:28 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Influx - yeah, things happened, change of heart. I'm not really this unstable. Ask my shrink... ;-)

Mindspawn - I don't think I saw your Polaris the last time I was over. I was mucking about with your Indigo. I'm not too worried about the ability to save - I haven't saved a THING on my Darkstar, and I kind of like it that way. Just dial up what you need. Fun. :-) I figure I have lots of digital in my place, and an analog would be a really addition. Plus, depending on what I spend, I may have enough to get a compressor (to stay on topic here.)

Give me a buzz when you're back in town. My in-laws will be around for the weekend after Christmas, and I'll DYING to get out of the house for an evening. How's your trip going, btw? Visiting your fam?

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Message 62/69 16-Dec-02 @ 12:34 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Mindspawn - thought you might be interested in this...^^^^

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Message 63/69 16-Dec-02 @ 02:10 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Why don't you just use a big poo?

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Message 64/69 17-Dec-02 @ 03:42 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Evolver

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Message 65/69 17-Dec-02 @ 08:13 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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thats the one. thanks

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Message 66/69 17-Dec-02 @ 08:20 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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ok, y'all are in the wrong forum now ... heheheh

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Message 67/69 17-Dec-02 @ 11:08 PM - RE: Hardware compressors

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what...we're sposed to move it when it goes from talking about compressors to synths?

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Message 68/69 18-Dec-02 @ 01:00 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Well, I'm really leaning in the direction of the Microcon II. I'll check out the evolver as well.

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Message 69/69 12-Jan-03 @ 03:20 AM - RE: Hardware compressors

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Local shop had an RNC for sale. Picked it up. I'm playing with it. Transparent so far...

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