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Original Message 1/45 11-Apr-03 @ 08:41 PM Edit: 11-Apr-03 | 08:52 PM - Rave Act Passed in US
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Bush To Sign America’s Anti-Nightlife R.A.V.E. Act
America’s nightlife industry faces an uncertain future
this weekend, after Congress voted to approve the
puritanical RAVE act, meaning crack house laws will
now be applied to all concerts, clubs and music
festivals in the US.
“Property owners can be punished for any drug offence
that their customers commit - even if they work hard to
stop such offences,” warned the Drug Policy Alliance
just hours before the Bill was passed.
“This is likely to deter nightclub and stadium owners
from holding events.”
“Every musical style will be affected, including rock and
roll, Hip Hop, country and electronic music,” they
added.
The bill was passed after Senator Joe Biden sneaked it
into an unrelated Child Abduction Prevention Act,
which allowed the RAVE act to become law without any
hearings, debates or even specific votes being taken by
Congress. Its incredibly draconian terms mean that if
just one person is caught smoking a joint at a public
gathering such as a club, party or concert, the
organisers and property owners can be jailed for 20
years.
target="NEW">drug policy
emdef.org
(helping to save American club culture)
Message 2/45 11-Apr-03 @ 08:49 PM Edit: 11-Apr-03 | 08:52 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
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scray stuff.
Message 3/45 11-Apr-03 @ 09:50 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
-Craig
Message 4/45 11-Apr-03 @ 10:03 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
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yeah, i'd hope that the supreme court would squash this
but how long will it take them to get it?
i cn't believe they snuck this into the "amber alert" law.
completely unrelated.
bullshit.
Message 5/45 11-Apr-03 @ 10:37 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Of course, the entire party/club/event scene could be burried for a while. But let's face it, underground warehouse style events have always been more fun! hehehe...
Saw Pongoid at a place in San Francisco that handled the issue quite nicely... called it a private party, asked for doantions, and refused to allow the police on the property.
working around the bullshit is a good promoters greatest skill. This shit won't hurt most of us... and hell, maybe it'll put an end to BIG BUDGET glossy fliers, and glowstick sporting rich suburban kids who have to leave at 1:00 AM!
e
Message 6/45 11-Apr-03 @ 11:25 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
you can do that? no shit?
Message 7/45 11-Apr-03 @ 11:26 PM Edit: 11-Apr-03 | 11:29 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Not having a go here, but Bush's America is becoming very, very weird.
"which allowed the RAVE act to become law without any hearings, debates or even specific votes being taken by Congress"
I mean S-H-I-T!!! That is bloody scary! Man, we really, really, really need to do something about these damned God-fearing nut cases who are fighting some bizarre imagined religious crusade in our supposed names! I almost feel sick.
Steve.
Message 8/45 12-Apr-03 @ 12:08 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
hey, Steve... Are you an American?
Yeah, not sure of Poli-Sci in other countries, but in the US we have (and have always had) this brilliant thing calle dthe trailer bill. It's when special interests want to get a law passed, they tack it on to popular bills (that would make politicians look bad if they voted no on) and then the whole gets passed as law! It's a sham, and a bitch! And downright undemocratic.
And it's what they've done here!
e
Message 9/45 12-Apr-03 @ 07:28 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
trills
Message 10/45 12-Apr-03 @ 09:08 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
meanwhile here in the uk, they have virtually stopped arresting people for possession of pot.. and the police are very grateful.. it just wastes their time.. and they can concentrate on important stuff like robbery, burglary, murder etc etc
Message 11/45 12-Apr-03 @ 09:34 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
A. safe!
er... (sound of bloke fetching his coat)...
Message 12/45 12-Apr-03 @ 09:36 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
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Yo I was the one who locked the gate at that party! Hee
hee...stoned out of my mind tho, barely got it to click in
time, whew.
Another thing at that particular party was that
5lowershop's lease on that space is on the level...I
believe they had to show it to the cops. But the cops did
not/could not physically come in, so they left after 20
minutes.
hey but wait a sec- the UK's got that whole 'repetitive
beats' nonsense. So it ain't like the grass is always
greener...
Message 13/45 12-Apr-03 @ 10:16 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 14/45 12-Apr-03 @ 11:40 AM Edit: 12-Apr-03 | 11:46 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
The point being that we need to abolish the idea of the 'God-given-right' in any modern society. God should not be involved in any governing of any country whatsoever. God just gives those in power the right to do whatever they want without any logical reason. Just look what heppened when the US was about to join the Race-Relations Treaty in 1999, which would have helped put a stop to the Palestinian/Isreali crisis.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 15/45 12-Apr-03 @ 01:30 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 16/45 12-Apr-03 @ 02:56 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 17/45 12-Apr-03 @ 05:15 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Well, Iraq was/is a dictatorship, but I know what you mean. There are other factors at play here. Though, on the subject of Dictatorships, it is even starting to seem like Bush's Government is attempting to become a world dictatorship.
Oohhh. It's all to freaky for me atm. I'm gonna go hide somewhere
Regards.
Steve.
Message 18/45 12-Apr-03 @ 07:10 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
coat tails of Amber Alert bill?That's fuxd up.Ok
everybody cross your fingers and hope we
spread more war around the middle
east..Then maybe all the gung-ho right wing
types will get chewed up in a middle eastern
meat grinder.Yep Bush has firm grip on
America.Isn't Reaganomix III a barrel of fun.I
saw Ollie North on Fux news "reporting" illicit
Jordanian arms transfers to Iraq.Talk about
irony.So let's see we want to go after
Syria,Iran,Jordain?,Yemen,Saudis,Indonesia,
Phillipines,Columbia,Paki-Afghan border
regions,Panski Gorge area of
Georgia,Sudan,N Korea,And Get involved in
the Palastenian/Israeli conflict.If George Bush
is re-elected i'm sure we won't go until 2008
w/o massive civil unrest in the US.But that's ok
cause our armed forces are trained for civil
unrest.You don't think the modern architects
of our contemporary government would have it
any other way.Do you?
Message 19/45 12-Apr-03 @ 07:56 PM Edit: 12-Apr-03 | 07:58 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
This is actually getting pretty damned scary.
Steve.
Message 20/45 12-Apr-03 @ 11:57 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 21/45 13-Apr-03 @ 12:29 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 22/45 13-Apr-03 @ 06:43 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
I was listenig to a comedian asking "who runs the world?", The Americans ask anyone to do something and they say "no" well its big action. They ask the Israelis and they say "no" and well its "OK" or in ^^^ case it's "let us waste our boys for you invading a country you don't like"
I wouldn't mind but for all of those holocaust museums
Message 24/45 13-Apr-03 @ 12:57 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Oh great! I bet these weapons are now going to do a full circuit of the Arab/Muslim countries in the Middle-East. With the US and the UK in persuit leaving a trail of destroyed governments and religions.
Steve.
Message 26/45 13-Apr-03 @ 11:56 PM Edit: 13-Apr-03 | 11:57 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
What is especially amusing is that a refusal to confess and give back the imaginary wmd will be due cause for invasion..
The recently surrendered Iraqi Scientific advisor said that Iraq had no more wmd's..
Luckily the CIA said "He will probably change his tune once he realises he is 'free'"
Hahahahaha.. yah.. I bet he will...
Message 27/45 14-Apr-03 @ 12:15 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
You are one sad f**k m8. I can't believe you spout that shite on these forums.
sox
Message 28/45 14-Apr-03 @ 12:44 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 29/45 14-Apr-03 @ 01:05 AM Edit: 14-Apr-03 | 12:40 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Haha! Ahem! Sorry. Don't mean to offend you, but go and read! Have you ever read the Bible? Do you not follow the news? Maybe if you did, you would realise that this is not an attack on anyone who is Jewish simply because they are Jewish, rather an attack on the massive Right-wing Jewish institutions, both Zionist (mainly Israel) and Evangelical (mainly US), who are currently responsible for a hell of a lot of attrocities, such as the severely sick treatment of the Palestinians, who's homeland they are invading, the equally severe treatment of may Arabs who are trying to help the Palestinians, and the use of their power within the US government to influence military actions throughout the middle-east.
Without doing a complete trawl of the net, here are a few links to get you up to date:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,528757,00.html
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/05/27834.php
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/palestine/topTenReasons.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,542836,00.html
http://www.socialistworker.org/Featured/Israel.shtml
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/03/Forward030303.html
In fact, just type the following (including quotes) into Google:
"Israel" "Palestine" "US Government"
And please start reading the broadsheets.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 30/45 14-Apr-03 @ 01:43 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Oh.. sod it. I'm off ta bed.
Steve.
Message 31/45 14-Apr-03 @ 02:23 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Message 33/45 14-Apr-03 @ 12:12 PM Edit: 14-Apr-03 | 12:36 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Regards.
Steve.
Message 34/45 14-Apr-03 @ 02:37 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
buddhists and hindus are no better e.g. imperial japan, ongoing india/pakistan conflict.
Message 35/45 14-Apr-03 @ 03:17 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
It is not just international strategy that has caused the US to be so biased here. For example, shortly before 9/11 the US was about to step in and help put an end to the Palestine/Israel conflict, before nearly 10,000 Evangelical Jewish US citizens wrote in and told them to stop, which they did. IMO, this may even have been the action that resulted in 9/11.
I am also aware that nearly every religion on the planet has been responsible for many wars and attrocities, but I am talking about what is happening at this point in time. Imperial Japans religious policies were terrible, especially when it invaded China, but it hardly exists any more. The Jewish religion has been a very pleasant and peaceful religion in the past, but it is currently behaving in a very disgusting manner.
My head hurts! Why do I even start?
I'm gonna stop this and go have a beer
Regards.
Steve.
Message 36/45 14-Apr-03 @ 03:25 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
People can believe in anything they want, but if it gets me off the shitter, or anyone else for that matter, then its not a good thing.
Message 37/45 14-Apr-03 @ 03:58 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
And nothing... nothing... should get you off the toilet when you're shitting. That mistake was yours, my friend.
psy
Message 38/45 14-Apr-03 @ 07:52 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
-Craig
Message 39/45 14-Apr-03 @ 07:56 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Thank you so much for giving me much needed laughter.
*sigh*
Trills
Message 40/45 16-Apr-03 @ 08:45 AM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
I remember my semester in a US College.... if the cops busted a house party... everyone jumped out the window and the owner was fined multiplied with the est. number of patrons. Isn't all this just the upgraded version of that law?
Message 41/45 16-Apr-03 @ 03:56 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Of course this won't get applied to opera houses...
Message 42/45 16-Apr-03 @ 05:07 PM Edit: 16-Apr-03 | 07:11 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
What not? I imagine, with the amount of drugs it takes me before I'll even consider watching/listening to that stuff, Opera houses would be filled with a veritable shipment of drugs :P
Regards.
Steve.
Message 43/45 16-Apr-03 @ 07:32 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
Don't be knockin' the opera man........ I take extreme offense to that! :P
Trills
Message 45/45 22-Apr-03 @ 01:07 PM - RE: Rave Act Passed in US
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