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Original Message 1/19 26-Oct-05 @ 10:32 PM - Selling Beats?

SDUB

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Hi,

Wondering if anyone has any advice on how to go about selling beats????

What resources and approaches should I take??

I have some here at my page and some more on my harddrive.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

Peace.

S dub

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Message 2/19 23-Nov-05 @ 06:04 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

Jack

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There's a website called beattrader.com for selling beats online. I have no idea how effective it
is. Good luck!

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Message 3/19 23-Nov-05 @ 02:56 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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well if you look at sample cd's full of 'original' loops you'll see a lot of the non- pro ones- ie made at home will have loads of beats on for a very small price...even some of the pro companies can afford to release enough loops on a cheaply priced cd to make each individual beats practically worthless in monetary terms- therefore you need to have a few beats of absolute fire (and still many producers wouldn't pay for the beat) or have lots and lots of useble quailty, more chance of making money through the normal means then selling beats

one question though- do you write hiphop?

greg

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Message 4/19 24-Nov-05 @ 01:26 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

Jack

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Well, it is a common practise to sell "beats" (full tracks ready for vocals) to up and coming MC's.
It's not just the beats, it's also samples, bassline, whatever, assembled enough to inspire an
MC. Plenty of cats looking to rock the mic, have no idea how to produce a track.

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Message 5/19 24-Nov-05 @ 09:35 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

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i know it is but its not neccarily a succesful practice- i belong to an mpc forum which is populated by hiphop-centric heads- very nice guys- but a large number of them really wanna sell beats- a lot of them never do- a lot of them are sub standard but are up for a couple of hundred dollars- in fact the cheapest ive seen was $50...1% of these beats are being bought by others to use....even the more pro sounding ones....therefore his beats would have to be absolute fire and he would need to find the kind of contact willing to shell a profitable amount of money for it or if he has loads and loads he can go the ebay way and sell them all on a loop cd...but a quick look there shows how cheap these cd's are going for and the beats still have to be of useble quality...

greg

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Message 6/19 24-Nov-05 @ 11:23 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

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yeah, i think it's mad... people read mad stories about whoever, neptunes etc beats being sold for millions of bucks and think.... "aha!, i can get rich selling beats". I think they are bonkers - if you are good at making beats, you're prolly better off to make money by setting up a studio and charging people/mc's to make a finished track for them, that way also your name gets around as someone who does this localy and people start to know you and come to record

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Message 7/19 24-Nov-05 @ 01:13 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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Exactly K!! i dont wanna get all nationalist but of all e-genres ive been a part of its the hiphop community that value the buck over the music and essentially americans...if ya wanna laugh you can go to soundclick and look at some of these beats for sale...some are poorly mixed, use an uncleared sample and arent anything special but are advertised at a couple of hundred dollars...i see these peeps as kareoke producers who are only interested in copying well established styles to make money....a lot of them buy the exact same modules too- well at least in the hiphop community im a part of...

i much prefer the idea of the faceless dance producer who is more interested in evolving, collaborating, bettering themselves and their favourite genre....than the by-numbers-producer only interested in selling beats to others- if you really liked a beat of yours you wouldn't sell it if you were serious as a musician- furthermore you would want to collaborate with a good mc rather than sell it to them and hand over all artistic control...if you were serious that is...

we all know that if you are good at what you do and put the work in you can essentially get enough interest to allow you automatic entry into the pro realm- just look at dj dangermouse....from the bedroom made grey album to producing the new gorillaz opus in how many steps?

if you just want some money go work for a sample cd company- if your good enough that is....

greg

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Message 8/19 24-Nov-05 @ 10:53 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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I would think that the greatest possibility in success at selling beats would be forming personal
relationships with the people who need them. Actually meeting the people and seeing if you click
personality-wise. Posting online seems like it could be as anonymous as posting fliers on the
street.
Any interview with any successful producer inevitably states that your heart has to be in the
right place to find success.
As David Allen Coe once sang "If you're big star bound, let me warn you, it's a long hard ride..."
... you know, that song where the hitch hiker catches a ride with the ghost of Hank Williams.
Ok then!

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Message 9/19 29-Nov-05 @ 03:01 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

Jack

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I've been thinking about this more and it's gotta be all about the connections. Who you know
and putting yourself in the right place at the right time. Sure, your tracks have to be good, but it
has to be bare enough too to spark an mc's imagination. Yes a track can be in the fire catagory,
but it's going to be the mc's endorsment of it that makes the rest of the world like it too. Think
about 'the whisper song' by ying-yang twins. It's literally almost nothing. If most hip-hop fans had
heard that without lyrics, I would suspect most would wonder when that noise is gonna stop and
the next song start. But with the right lyrics (and promotion) it's a hit. And, now Busta Rhymes
based a track on it, and today I heard some chicks doing a female response track to Busta's
track. All based on Doon Doon Doon Doon - doon doon doon!
So yes, your tracks have to be good but you have to put them in the right ears.

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Message 10/19 29-Nov-05 @ 08:57 AM - RE: Selling Beats?

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yeah exactly true of hiphop- in fact why you can get away with such a minimal backdrop- it being rhythm led means the rap provides a forever changing rhythmic patter over the bedrock- otherwise yeah i think a lot of hiphop 'tunes' would never have made it

greg

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Message 11/19 29-Nov-05 @ 04:05 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

SDUB

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hi,

thanks for the responses, I agree it is tough to even get people to listen to your beat let alone buy it. It seems a little futile to sell beats really in this day and age. Better off charging people to be produced. But I think it is even better to try and write your own stuff and make money that way. Who knows, I hate money!! But you need it to survive in this world. It is all very frustrating.

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Message 12/19 29-Nov-05 @ 06:49 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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i've generally noticed the guy making money at the market wasn't the guy asking how do you sell eggs?....BUT the guy screaming at the top of his lungs>>>
EGGS FOR SALE RIGHT HERE...come and get em!!!!!....
LARGE GRADE A FRESH-ASS FRIGGING EGGS HERE!!!!!>>
WE A TAWKING EGGS GOOD FOLKS!
EGGS FOR SALE!
RIGHT HERE...COME AND GET EM!!!!!

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Message 13/19 29-Nov-05 @ 10:15 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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Message 14/19 30-Nov-05 @ 03:49 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

SDUB

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good point

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Message 15/19 10-Dec-05 @ 09:00 PM Edit: 10-Dec-05 | 09:28 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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k wrote:

yeah, i think its mad... people read mad stories about whoever, neptunes etc beats being sold for millions of bucks and think.... aha!, i can get rich selling beats. I think they are bonkers - if you are good at making beats, youre prolly better off to make money by setting up a studio and charging people/mcs to make a finished track for them, that way also your name gets around as someone who does this localy and people start to know you and come to record

BINGO!

Charge 25 to 35 bucks an hour to record and mix, if you don't want em in your home...rent a space.

I'm thinking of doing this in the near future, but if you do this make sure you have some good, impressive recording gear and an alarm in the building you're set up in....or insurance on your gear! Trust me on that one, I've worked with some strait up thugs! They wouldn't feel guilty if they shot their own mother!

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Message 16/19 10-Dec-05 @ 09:02 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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...and when you start out, do a few mixes for real cheap, that way people know you're good at what you do.

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Message 17/19 10-Dec-05 @ 10:38 PM Edit: 11-Dec-05 | 07:22 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

mr.me

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...or even free, if they let you use it as a demo for your skills.

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Message 18/19 11-Dec-05 @ 12:06 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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mm... good mids and highs. coulda tightened the low end with a multiband compressor if you have one, its flabby! your stuff definitely sounds much better.

heh... i still crack up when i listen to "sun down", we never hear any gothic whitey hiphop here in europe

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Message 19/19 11-Dec-05 @ 12:40 PM Edit: 11-Dec-05 | 12:48 PM - RE: Selling Beats?

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milan wrote:

mm... good mids and highs. coulda tightened the low end with a multiband compressor if you have one, its flabby! your stuff definitely sounds much better.

heh... i still crack up when i listen to sun down, we never hear any gothic whitey hiphop here in europe

I already did, I used a multiband compressor from waves....but I hear what yer talking about and that's only in the mp3.

Talk about gothiic hip hop...I did a dark hip hop track mixed industrial "don't give a fuck".

I'll get you a link for it.

I was thinking about moving that way for a bit, I was in manchester last summer...people on that side of the pond seem to like my stuff more than the yanks (being one myself).

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