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Original Message 1/30 04-Jul-07 @ 08:54 PM - Best Producer Magazine

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Hi,

Wasnt sure where to post this so I put it here.

Ive got a copy of Computer Music and FutureMusic with a view to subscription but I can't make up my mind which one to go for!

Anyone have any thoughts as to which is generally best for tips and tutorial type stuff?

If you regularly buy either, which do you think is most beneficial and why?

Thanks

Joe

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Message 2/30 06-Jul-07 @ 01:57 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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well I suppose i'd choose FM of the two because it strays a bit from the soley PC music field. I think 'production' ideas and tips are more lilkely to be found on the www tho as mags have a remit to review and promote the sale of gear. FM does do 'How to do' type things tho I beleive for various s/w's

i dont buy any of 'em tho myself. You dont have an 'artist' account here for adding music I see... Do you want that switched?... then we could hear something you've done

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Message 3/30 06-Jul-07 @ 03:26 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Cheers,

I guess my acocunt could be switched but not much point at the mo as I haven't even got my gear yet! Ive got some old stuff I did in my late teens on a laptop with a CS1X but nothing good production wise. I didnt even know what EQ was back then! Besides, my taste has changed a little, that was 5 or 6 years ago. Im still researching researching researching gear and trying to build up production knowledge then hopefully once I get my gear Ill be in a good position to have a good go.

It will be another few months at least before I might be able to put anything on.

Do I need to pay for an artist account? If so then I may aswell wait, if not then I may aswell switch now.

Thanks

Joe

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Message 4/30 06-Jul-07 @ 08:42 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Don't buy either, they are both shite!

If you really do wanna get one, get Sound on Sound, much better vfm and it does do a faor few tips and technique type things.

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Message 5/30 06-Jul-07 @ 11:11 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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have to say i do like watching the dvd interviews etc from FM!

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Message 6/30 07-Jul-07 @ 07:36 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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There are some quite good articles on this site too. What kind of gear you're looking into?

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Message 7/30 07-Jul-07 @ 12:55 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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At the moment it looks like Im gonna go for a Carillon with 2 screens that comes with Cubase 4 and a load of other software including a soft sampler and battery 3, the Access Virus Ti keyboard to begin with, 1 or 2 BCF2000's and some monitors. Haven't got a clue about monitors yet, there's so many! Think Im just gonna have to see what a few sound like in the shop. Budget around 500 so looking at maybe KRK (V8's?), Yamaha HS80's or something similar, but to be honest I don't really know what to look for in them. Some boast about having a flat response but I don't really understand what that means?

Soundcard wise not sure, because I don't know how many ins and outs various ones have. I need one capable of taking the keyboard and routing back to the keyboard (so I can process audio with the ti's filters etc), a mic, and a record player with a bit of room for expansion. Do you think Id be better with a mixer? Or just route everything directly to the soundcard? The Carillon package comes standard with the EMU 0404 but I don't think think that would be enough. Maybe an EMU (0808?)

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Message 8/30 08-Jul-07 @ 04:59 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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That Carillon setup sounds great (especially if you don't want to hassle with building one for yourself... ).

Don't know much about EMU soundcards, 1212M and 1616M are hyped a lot, but I have also heard some people had trouble with the drivers... there are some video tutorials about some EMU cards on this site, also about the ESI Juli@... might worth watching those.

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Message 9/30 10-Jul-07 @ 03:44 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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if you have to get a tabloid get Music Tech

http://www.whsmith.co.uk/WHS/Go.asp?isbn=mag289&DB=622&Menu=Magazines

but SOS is the best- they are all generally big multpage ads but SOS has useful and interesting artciles and oens you can trust too

avoid CM or FM- really for Gear whores more than musos

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Message 10/30 12-Jul-07 @ 03:29 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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had an 1812m where the pci card went tits up and emu wasn't all that helpful

OK, bye now

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Message 11/30 17-Jul-07 @ 04:35 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Sound on Sound is by far the best IMHO, though I've been getting 'Electronic Musician' and 'Keyboard' lately, and have been pretty happy overall. SOS is just so damn pricey.

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Message 12/30 17-Jul-07 @ 06:52 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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I've picked up a copy of each for June and July (FM, CM and SOS) just to check them out and I think they all seem to have their own advantages. For example this months DVD in FM featuring a couple of hrs of a studio session with D.Ramiriez was EXTREMELY beneficial to me, which you don't get in SOS however I didnt get too much from the magazine itself, as someone has mentioned its full of gear promo reviews etc. Mind you though so is SOS! I like SOS's articles and their online stuff is really good aswell. I think Im goin off CM a bit as the DVD's dont seem to be as good as FM's and inside they are very similar.

SOS is �48 for the year or �4.99 single. With the subscription you also get online SOS for a year or something.

CM and FM are both �5.99 each in the shops! Subs wise, their deal is �14.97 quarterly so �60 effectively for the year and you get 3 free issues. So you get 13 issues for the price of ten.

SOS seems the best value for money so Im probably gonna go with that, also given the numerous raving comments about it on this thread aswell, seems like its a winner.

Cheers,

Joe

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Message 13/30 18-Jul-07 @ 12:17 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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The D.Ramirez vids a winner. Its about 3 hours and full of good advice

Im not ashamed to admit buying FM, although id as happily just toss the mag in the bin , keeping the dvd and still feel like ive done well for a fiver.

Seeing other people working, even outside the field your involved/interested in is one of the most refreshing things you can do imo

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Message 14/30 18-Jul-07 @ 12:38 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Message 15/30 18-Jul-07 @ 06:28 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Alan,

Perhaps you could help (or anyone else) with a novice question.

Do you know if all the things D.Ramirez was doing in logic are possible in Cubase 4 by any chance?

Im mainly talking about the ease of bouncing things to audio. He was using FXpansion GURU (which is ace I got the demo) and then he seemed to just effortlessly stick it on an audio track in logic. He just dragged it across I think, but aren't the loops midi controlled within GURU?

Also, when he was using his JP8080, he sidechained it. Again, this was midi controlled by logic and from what I understand you can only sidechain audio no? Im sure he didnt bounce his riff to audio 1st and then apply effects, otherwise he wouldnt have been able to record those little decay and cutoff movements, which again are all midi.

Anyway, I want to be able to use all those techniques that he was, but preferably in cubase as Im looking at a Carillon that comes with cubase 4. If you or anyone else can help, Id be very greatful.

Thanks very much,

Joe

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Message 16/30 19-Jul-07 @ 12:03 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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In Guru, in the options box, click Misc and then click the bottom box -

This lets you drag whats playing in the guru onto a midi track, which is what he was doing. You can then bounce it to audio if you like or keep it as midi. I cant remember if he kept it live or bounced it but he did the above

You can sidechain/effect inputs and midi - it doesnt need to be audio, but as far as the video goes, I dont know logic, but in Cubase you can set up input offsets im sure to compensate. ive never fully looked into that so someone should be able to answer properly on logic vs cubase live fx whos done it in both!

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Message 17/30 19-Jul-07 @ 04:39 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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I checked that in GURU nice one cheers, simple as then!

So when you put fx on a midi track is this called live fx processing? I didnt know this was possible. So you can record a midi track for example and then add whatever inserts eg compressor, reverb etc just like you would on an audio track? Fantastic!

Thanks for the info,

Joe

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Message 18/30 19-Jul-07 @ 05:24 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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yes, but bearing in mid you can add realtime midi fx too in s/w's like cubase

so in realtime you can add midi fx, which process either incoming midi data coming IN to a midi track

or you can process realtime midi data on the track already in a pattern/part

with audio you can add realtime processing fx either to incoming audio streams or to audio already on an audio track as recorded audio, or to audio outputting from a s/w instrument

you need a fast asio soundcard to add fx in realtime to audio because you want as little delay added as possible to incoming external audio streams.... with low enough latency setting you can even add thru type processing fx such as compression in realtime. ADDITIVE FX such as reverb and delay are even less fussy about low-latency times because by the nature of the effect there is a delay between the proginal signal and the delay or revern which follows it

anyways it's realtime use like that which allows you to use a realtime guitar fx s/w on a guitar you play IN to the sequencer for example

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Message 19/30 23-Jul-07 @ 12:38 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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just to quickly update

I tried doing the add effects/sidechaining onto the input signal (I have a nordlead3 also) on the standard SX settings, and i couldn't get it without a tiny bit of latency.

Even tho small, this would be important enough to not be usable for me so i thought i should post and let you know encase your banking on working like this. I make the same sort of music as you are looking to make by the sounds of it, where timing has to be ultra tight , so Ill have a look into the delay offsetting in the next day or two.

I work by the same methods as video using direct monitoring of the external synths (same midi tweaking etc), but I then add sidechain / delay / comp etc etc once its recorded down as audio.

It may be worthwhile meanwhile to visit some Logic Audio / Motu (cuemix) and of course Cubase forums and users and ask some questions, or myspace one of the guys out the video....

Either way , let us know how you get on!

P.s - K, have i missed soemthing? Im 100% sure i used to use some form of midi or audio offsetting to match up live effects in days gone by.....

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Message 20/30 23-Jul-07 @ 06:02 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Thanks for the info, I'll let you know how I get on. I guess your asio soundcard is the bees knees aswell so no escaping the latency. Let me know if you manage anything with the delay offset. How do you like your Nord 3? I hear mixed views about it. Good for gritty sounds?

Joe

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Message 21/30 24-Jul-07 @ 10:41 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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K, have i missed soemthing? Im 100% sure i used to use some form of midi or audio offsetting to match up live effects in days gone by.....

well adding insert effects to incoming audio, the latency of the audio device surely applies here... previously recorded audio can be offset by the host inside the programme, but for incoming audio you cant get around the latency of the card

perhaps it's worse cos you are using a bus for the sidechaining? (are you using the cubase BUS technique to acheive a sidechain?)

btw doesnt cubase 4 include a proper sidechaining ability comps? i'm sure logic for mac does

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Message 22/30 24-Jul-07 @ 01:16 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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(If Ive understood what you said?)Thats something Ive been trying to look into regarding Cubase 4. Apparantly C4 doesn't have anything built in for easy sidechaining, I believe you have to use plugins like Sidekick or similiar, or do it the long laborious way.

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Message 23/30 25-Jul-07 @ 11:38 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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seems bizare in this day and age they dont all have this implemented so it's possible with any comp with a sidechain input easily

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Message 24/30 25-Jul-07 @ 12:10 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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AFAIK this is still solved by having plugins with two INs (one for the signal to be compressed, one for the sidechain). Of course you need a host that can route any channel to the second input of a plugin...

Cubase 3 already has some kind of routing support as far as VST-s are concerned but I am not sure how it is done in practice. I use sidechaining in Ableton live (its routing oprions are flexible enough) but while it works with Voxengo's Crunchessor, it doesn't with the Sonalksis comps...

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Message 25/30 25-Jul-07 @ 12:58 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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that guy who came around a week ago and left a notice about his video tutorials had a video about sidechaining using the stereo bus technique and a waves c1 as an example

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Message 26/30 25-Jul-07 @ 02:17 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Don't know if it was that one I saw, but I saw one of those SX3 tutorial vids on sidechaining. Its possible but its not as straight forward as you'd like (well as it is in a lot of other hosts). Apparantly Steinberg are on the case and are going to have something in their new update for Cubase 4 as they seem to be getting hounded by customers on this point.

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Message 27/30 25-Jul-07 @ 05:56 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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lol, yeah cos 'sidechaining' is flava of the month.. you'd think from some forums you cant make hiphop or trance without using the technique

anyways it is surprising that apps like ORION's had it in for years and cubase still hasnt.. if anyone can rewire why not this

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Message 28/30 25-Jul-07 @ 08:16 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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To be honest, for a newb such as myself having just discovered it, the effects are so powerful and are potentially a huge personal step forward into achieving "that sound". As it's so simple and effective, its kind of become a necessity to be able to do this easily, especially for someone like me who has little experience or knowledge. I guess this could be why its flavour of the month among new peeps.

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Message 29/30 25-Jul-07 @ 08:45 PM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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Not to mention that with pattern based stuff it is not so hard to edit the bass/kick volume envelope to get the desired effect.

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Message 30/30 26-Jul-07 @ 09:19 AM - RE: Best Producer Magazine

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true, but it's not the same sounding effect really depending on the comp' settings

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